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[slightconfuse]

Sympy, where we are going we don't need Sympy

 

[Khrysler Jerikho]

Listening right now to the Talk is Jericho podcast with Big Show... looks like he got some gripes about the writing too.

 

[miserable]

Sympy, where we are going we don't need Sympy

is this from an unaired episode of Pimp My ride?

 

[jmdajr]

Listening right now to the Talk is Jericho podcast with Big Show... looks like he got some gripes about the writing too.

"How many times am I gonna go from heel to face and back?"

 

[BronsonLee]

The Gawker Media vs. Terry Bollea trial has been delayed indefinitely.

What, why?

 

[Sweeney Tom]

What, why?

http://tktk.gawker.com/hulk-hogan-v-gawker-jury-trial-delayed-at-the-very-las-1715398246

In a scathing opinion published today—four days prior to the trial’s start—Florida’s Second District Court of Appeal ruled that the Pinellas County circuit court judge overseeing Bollea v. Gawker Media et al, Pamela Campbell, failed to enforce the strict rules governing the scheduling of jury trials.

Under Florida’s rules of civil procedure (specifically rule 1.440), both defendants and plaintiffs are entitled to a 50-day window between the parties’ final pleas and the beginning of a jury trial. A June 19 order issued by Judge Campbell, setting the date of the trial for July 6, “plainly violated rule 1.440,” the appellate court wrote, citing Bollea’s various attempts to strike Gawker Media’s Hungarian component, Blogwire Hungary Szellemi Alkotάst Hasznosίtό, from the defendant list.

Elsewhere in the same opinion, the court suggests Campbell was “persuaded by Bollea’s side that it could disregard the opponents’ objections as innocuous technicalities” and that “although we easily understand why Bollea and the circuit court went to lengths to preserve the July 6 trial date, their efforts were futile from the outset.”

 

[Heroman]

Listening right now to the Talk is Jericho podcast with Big Show... looks like he got some gripes about the writing too.

Everyone talks shit about writing, i wonder why no one ever changes it.

 

[kiguel182]

Fair points, yet I just don't understand the constant complaints about the product when there's is a gold mine out here. Sure most of the promotions will never meet the budget of the WWE, but it at least gives people an option to avoid dealing with the grief of WWE's silly decisions and business tactics. Coming from an individual that gets tired of complaining about the same ole shit that the WWE pumps out, it's good to know that I can easily watch another promotion and get top quality wrestling.




Looks promising...

Now if only somebody magically digs up the Memphis tapes from a landfill in the island of Trinadad :/...

What you call a goldmine isn't what everything consideres a gold mine. I've watched ROH and NJPW and it just doesn't appeal to me.

I like the WWE style of wrestling that's why I watch it and complain when I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

NXT is the show that satiesfies me at the moment. I just wish it was it's own thing instead of a development territory or that the main show was as well booked as this.

Destroying Lana, or how to kill a popular character in less than 60 days.

A portion:



See the article for the full thing.

We really have seen this story way too many times. Someone gets over, they change the character or put them in dumb angles and it kills them.

Bryan was the one that survived this but Rusev or Wyatt really got the momentum taken of them for no reason. Hell, even Ziggler when he had that stable with AJ and Big E was cut short when they were still over and doing good work.

 

[Aiii]

Everyone talks shit about writing, i wonder why no one ever changes it.

Because they don't own and/or run the company.

 

[newdayrocks]

Bauer & Pollock make D-Bry's new book sound pretty great. I may have to grab it on my Kindle.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

WWE countersuing in the concussion lawsuit

WWE filed a lawsuit in Connecticut to protect the company from a series of fraudulent claims made by a Massachusetts attorney regarding alleged concussion-related injuries. A few examples of such false allegations from this lawyer include:

· Claims in two different federal courts that five individuals died prematurely due to head injuries when in fact all five individuals are alive today.

· Falsely stating that an individual's years of performance with WWE spanned 22 years from 1985 through 2007, when in fact the individual performed for only 2 years (1985-1986 and 1992-1993) and made one appearance in 2007.

· Alleging that head injury led to the death of a morbidly obese former performer who died of a heart attack years after last performing for WWE.

· A claim that an individual suffered from deafness allegedly due to head injury when said individual has publicly stated that he was deaf since birth.

· Claiming that head injury led to the accidental drug overdose of a former performer over 20 years after he last performed.

It is unfortunate that some former performers have been improperly recruited under the guise of a big 'pay day', and we feel badly that these individuals are being misled and exploited.

 

[RP912]

What you call a goldmine isn't what everything consideres a gold mine. I've watched ROH and NJPW and it just doesn't appeal to me.

I like the WWE style of wrestling that's why I watch it and complain when I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

NXT is the show that satiesfies me at the moment. I just wish it was it's own thing instead of a development territory or that the main show was as well booked as this.

To each it's own. I guess I'm over the constant bullshit then wrestling that WWE produces. I grew up on one year feuds, storytelling matches, promos, and segments that goes beyond backstage. No issue with those that don't mind such things, but why constantly complain about something that will never change. Hell even during the Bryne days, they tried everything in their power to prove a point that dude is not in their favor of being the face of the WWE. It gets tiresome to bend out of shape for a company that likes to toy with people because "ribs".

 

[darkbanjo]

They were equals. They were partners. Because they both got it. They both knew that what they were doing could've easily been a one note bit where the evil Russian guy loses to Rocky in the end. But instead, they added layers and depth and complexity to their characters.

I enjoyed Rusev and Lana as a duo, but I really think this is a case of rose-tinted glasses. What were these added layers and depth and complexity?

 

[Zach]

Anyone around these parts play Ori and the Blind Forest? Pretty excited about it being on sale next week. I hope it's as good as I hear.

 

[kiguel182]

Because they don't own and/or run the company.

Yup. There's nothing anyone can do until Vince steps out and hopefully HHH gets a hold on things.

To each it's own. I guess I'm over the constant bullshit then wrestling that WWE produces. I grew up on one year feuds, storytelling matches, promos, and segments that goes beyond backstage. No issue with those that don't mind such things, but why constantly complain about something that will never change. Hell even during the Bryne days, they tried everything in their power to prove a point that dude is not in their favor of being the face of the WWE. It gets tiresome to bend out of shape for a company that likes to toy with people because "ribs".

Yeah, I agree. I'm sick of all those things and I with the product was as good as it could be.

But the other promotions aren't an alternative for me. Except for NXT that is. So tell me to go watch other wrestling promotions means very little since they aren't what I'm looking for in a wrestling tv show.

So I'll watch Raw and skip most of the stuff until they change. If they don't at least I have NXT. Just wish that was a bigger brand but you can't have it all.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I enjoyed Rusev and Lana as a duo, but I really think this is a case of rose-tinted glasses. What were these added layers and depth and complexity?

There aren't any, its way over analyzing a gimmick with a severely limited shelf life to begin with.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

As noted, Kurt Angle will be undergoing surgery to remove a benign tumor in his neck. The tumor was discovered in 2012 but there were no problems associated with it until now - the tumor was starting to block a nerve in Angle's arm and he was beginning to get some atrophy in the arm. The surgery to remove the tumor is not a major deal and Angle expects to be back in the ring in three weeks.

*Had fucking tumor for 3 years
*Didn't give a shit until he started to atrophy
*Refuses to miss a month over it

I don't even know what to say anymore

 

[RP912]

Yup. There's nothing anyone can do until Vince steps out and hopefully HHH gets a hold on things.



Yeah, I agree. I'm sick of all those things and I with the product was as good as it could be.

But the other promotions aren't an alternative for me. Except for NXT that is. So tell me to go watch other wrestling promotions means very little since they aren't what I'm looking for in a wrestling tv show.

So I'll watch Raw and skip most of the stuff until they change. If they don't at least I have NXT. Just wish that was a bigger brand but you can't have it all.

Fair enough. Question...what makes NXT any different from a regular indy promotion? They both cut from the same cloth and the only difference is production value. I used to get involved with NXT, but it just comes off like a parody to indy wrestling. There's no division bracket, the storylines took a flair flop to the face, and the crowd...the fucking crowd. Man...Dream was right about them :/. Other than that...I just can't understand the hype behind NXT, when its been on the decline for months.

 

[klonere]

There aren't any, its way over analyzing a gimmick with a severely limited shelf life to begin with.

It could have but it appears that they have given up on the idea of characters changing in any meaningful way ever.

 

[slightconfuse]

Image announced a wrestling comic

 

[klonere]

Fair enough. Question...what makes NXT any different from a regular indy promotion? They both cut from the same cloth and the only difference is production value. I used to get involved with NXT, but it just comes off like a parody to indy wrestling. There's no division bracket, the storylines took a flair flop to the face, and the crowd...the fucking crowd. Man...Dream was right about them :/. Other than that...I just can't understand the hype behind NXT, when its been on the decline for months.

I've tried to get into American indies since I started watching and I just can't do it at all. RoH production is way to spotty as is some of the wrestling ehehe. Of course I'll check out the odd great match (most of the NJPW talent they had over I watched) but man.....that AJ Styles Young Bucks tag with all the stupid fucking spots...I tried to get through that Ricochet tag that has been posted but man, too much flippy shit and no selling.

Anyway NXT is just a quick, easily digestible program, which isn't always incredible or packed to the gills with amazing matches like Lucha Underground but generally has some hook every episode that gets me interested. I love watching the talent really develop and figure out characters - like Alexa Bliss's heel turn or Tyler Breeze's slow evolution or Balór continuing to tease Bloody Sunday (if Devitt had come over to RoH his first match would have him doing everything). Random indie shows might have great matches but the long term stories/development isn't really there for me.

When I just want to watch some great wrestling its probably going to be some AJPW/BJW/NJPW stuff.

 

[dream]

The best thing about NXT is that its TV is only an hour long.

 

[avengers23]

Sympy, where we are going we don't need Sympy

Reactions from Scott Steiner on the ride:

You know, they say all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Marty McFly, and you can see that statement is not true! See, normally if you go use the flux capacitor to travel through time, you got to hit 88 miles per hour. But I’m a genetic freak, and I’m not normal, so I got to only go 75 miles per hour! And then you add Doc Kurt Angle to the mix? My need to go fast drasticy go down. See McFly, at Enchantment Under the Sea, you don't got to hit 88 miles per hour. But I, I got to hit only 75 miles per hour, cause Doc Kurt Angle KNOWS he can’t outrace me, and he’s not even gonna try! So, Marty McFly, you take your 88 miles per hour, minus my 75 miles per hour, and you got 13 miles per hour to get back in time! But then you take my 88 miles per hour, if we was to go one-on-one, and to add 75 miles per hour ch… percents, I got 163 miles per hour in my flux capacitor at Enchantment Under the Sea! See, McFly; the numbers don’t like, and they spell disaster for you at Enchantment Under the Sea!

 

[Data West]

Most indy promotions have more going on storyline-wise than NXT even if it's poorly told. NXT usually has one major storyline and then some other storylines that like involve Blake and Murphy that no one seems to care about. And they shouldn't.

The only reason I can think of what it does better is that it's more readily available and we've learned from this thread people only want wrestling that's super duper easy to get into and watch. Minimal amount of effort for my wrasslin shows pls

 

[RP912]

Image announced a wrestling comic

Good times we are living in...

I've tried to get into American indies since I started watching and I just can't do it at all. RoH production is way to spotty as is some of the wrestling ehehe. Of course I'll check out the odd great match (most of the NJPW talent they had over I watched) but man.....that AJ Styles Young Bucks tag with all the stupid fucking spots...I tried to get through that Ricochet tag that has been posted but man, too much flippy shit and no selling.

Anyway NXT is just a quick, easily digestible program, which isn't always incredible or packed to the gills with amazing matches like Lucha Underground but generally has some hook every episode that gets me interested. I love watching the talent really develop and figure out characters - like Alexa Bliss's heel turn or Tyler Breeze's slow evolution or Balór continuing to tease Bloody Sunday (if Devitt had come over to RoH his first match would have him doing everything). Random indie shows might have great matches but the long term stories/development isn't really there for me.

When I just want to watch some great wrestling its probably going to be some AJPW/BJW/NJPW stuff.

That's cool. I see your point with NXT being easy on the eyes and goes beyond the typical "flippy indie shit". The thing with NXT is that the promotion wants to be it's own, but it is still a developmental territory for the WWE. I can't shake the fact that Finn Balor could be Ballor Finbuckle in the WWE any minute now because he could be the NXT champion. Plus they have a big roster of wrestlers that don't have TV time because of the one hour limit. I dunno...maybe I just don't see the hype as some of the people on here. It's still a good show, but Trips need to go full blown Bischoff with the company. I'm talking about "GIVE ME A MONDAY SPOT", two hour shows, and even a internet show dedicated to giving a recap of what's going on in the NXT world.

 

[avengers23]

Most indy promotions have more going on storyline-wise than NXT even if it's poorly told. NXT usually has one major storyline and then some other storylines that like involve Blake and Murphy that no one seems to care about. And they shouldn't.

The only reason I can think of what it does better is that it's more readily available and we've learned from this thread people only want wrestling that's super duper easy to get into and watch. Minimal amount of effort for my wrasslin shows pls

Current storylines in NXT off the top of my head:

Finn Balor vs. Kevin Owens
Samoa Joe vs. Kevin Owens
Sami Zayn vs. Kevin Owens
Finn Balor vs. Rhyno
Dana Brooke vs. Charlotte
Emma vs. Bayley and/or Sasha Banks
Enzo, Cassady, and Carmella vs. Blake, Murphy, and Alexa Bliss
Jason Jordan's search for a tag partner/Chad Gable's search for a tag partner
Bull Dempsey's quest for food or physical fitness
Eva Marie's quest to compete in NXT
The Vaudevillains climbing back to the top of tag team contenders

Not all of these stories get time and attention every episode, but they're all subplots in the show.

 

[miserable]

so if Owens loses the NXT title to Balor, how will they continue the SomoaJoe and Zayn storylines with him? assuming he goes on the main roster permanently

 

[Data West]

The Owens storylines barely even feel like storylines because of his main roster stuff? It just feels like they're trying to get a way to get the title to Balor with minimal kayfabe needed since they're pushing Owens up and I doubt Owens or Zayn will still be in NXT by the time Zayn has recovered.

A lot of thos feuds, like Balor vs Rhyno have zero substance and I would hesitate to call them feuds much less storylines. Isn't 'everyone trying to climb back to the top of their contenders'?

 

[RP912]

Most indy promotions have more going on storyline-wise than NXT even if it's poorly told. NXT usually has one major storyline and then some other storylines that like involve Blake and Murphy that no one seems to care about. And they shouldn't.

The only reason I can think of what it does better is that it's more readily available and we've learned from this thread people only want wrestling that's super duper easy to get into and watch. Minimal amount of effort for my wrasslin shows pls

Exactly. It's like pulling teeth trying to get my peers to check out NJPW or something different from the WWE. One dude I know is a Lucha Underground fan which seems like progression because they going out of the universe. I'm like this...it's good to explore other promotions and see what they have to offer, than dealing with a company that downplays what the fans truly desire. Sure NJPW has it's share of carny bullshit, but at least I can expect variety and concept shows like WCW used to do.

 

[Data West]

I still think the Joe/Owens booking is some of the laziest booking I've seen yet from NXT. 'Here's this popular guy from the indies and here's this other popular guy from the indies. We brougth them in and they're going to feud.' It's a developmental and you're basing the main feud around one guy being brought in that 'you know him from other stuff.'

What even is the NXT scouting like now? How many twitter followers you have? That's why I'm more interested in stuff like chad Gable to see what they mold him into. Meanwhile, after Hunter's indie sign of the week gets put in the main event, Tyler Breeze's gimmick has completely peaked and he's never going to get any more over than he already is. Enhancement talent all over him. Corbin doesn't improve and who blames him? They never do anything different or interesting with him. No ones character seems to develop through feuds except for Itami, the 15 year veteran

 

[avengers23]

The Owens storylines barely even feel like storylines because of his main roster stuff? It just feels like they're trying to get a way to get the title to Balor with minimal kayfabe needed since they're pushing Owens up and I doubt Owens or Zayn will still be in NXT by the time Zayn has recovered.

A lot of thos feuds, like Balor vs Rhyno have zero substance and I would hesitate to call them feuds much less storylines. Isn't 'everyone trying to climb back to the top of their contenders'?

Joe vs. Owens, at any rate, has gotten promo time on NXT. And they can carry the Zayn vs. Owens story to the main roster; they'll be doing this forever, after all. Owens still brings it up in his promos, so the seeds are still being sown.

Balor vs. Rhyno is barely a feud, but they had two singles and a tag. Neither's gotten promo time about it, but that's as much as you can squeeze in an hour.

They're all thin storylines, but you can see character motivation on both sides for almost all of them.

I still think the Joe/Owens booking is some of the laziest booking I've seen yet from NXT. 'Here's this popular guy from the indies and here's this other popular guy from the indies. We brougth them in and they're going to feud.' It's a developmental and you're basing the main feud around one guy being brought in that 'you know him from other stuff.'

What even is the NXT scouting like now? How many twitter followers you have? That's why I'm more interested in stuff like chad Gable to see what they mold him into. Meanwhile, after Hunter's indie sign of the week gets put in the main event, Tyler Breeze's gimmick has completely peaked and he's never going to get any more over than he already is. Enhancement talent all over him. Corbin doesn't improve and who blames him? They never do anything different or interesting with him. No ones character seems to develop through feuds except for Itami, the 15 year veteran

Agreed. The Joe stuff has been very underwhelming because of how lazy it's been. [Insert some shitty snark about how he's fat here.] Even after Joe's promos, I'm not sure why he's here. It feels like time filler.

Based on the last batch of signees, the scouting process doesn't seem that different from how it's been. Find some attractive women with marginal athletic ability. Get an indy wrestler or two, male or female. Find a big dude with some athletic ability or talent.

As for Breeze, did anyone think he would be anything but enhancement talent with that gimmick? Corbin's stalled out, but maybe this is his ceiling.

 

[dream]

I still think the Joe/Owens booking is some of the laziest booking I've seen yet from NXT. 'Here's this popular guy from the indies and here's this other popular guy from the indies. We brougth them in and they're going to feud.' It's a developmental and you're basing the main feud around one guy being brought in that 'you know him from other stuff.'

Is it even a feud when the blowoff match is Owens dropping the belt to Fin Balor?

 

[Data West]

It's too bad Hunter keeps getting the side effect of frail, beat up bodies with his pre-made wrestlers. Itami was the first character since Zayn to feel compelling to me as a babyface in NXT.

Balor's current gimmick is just pretension -- the gimmick. They fucked up so bad with handling him I can't even explain it. Like I think that guy will still be money for them, but they could have done it so much better. I hated the Bullet Club stuff, but it's a lot better than the faux Jeff Hardy gimmick shit they've got him doing now. The Daemon Finn has been run into the ground like Fandangoing and the body paint stuff is never cool because they bring it up all the time and he never does anything different when he wears it like a Super Liger or Great Muta. It's just dress-up. It's not even mind games anymore because he does the same body paint so you know' oh i have a big match with finn balor. he's going to wear that stupid body paint shit and i'm supposed to be 2spooked'

 

[Zach]

It's too bad Hunter keeps getting the side effect of frail, beat up bodies with his pre-made wrestlers. Itami was the first character since Zayn to feel compelling to me as a babyface in NXT.

Balor's current gimmick is just pretension -- the gimmick. They fucked up so bad with handling him I can't even explain it. Like I think that guy will still be money for them, but they could have done it so much better. I hated the Bullet Club stuff, but it's a lot better than the faux Jeff Hardy gimmick shit they've got him doing now. The Daemon Finn has been run into the ground like Fandangoing and the body paint stuff is never cool because they bring it up all the time and he never does anything different when he wears it like a Super Liger or Great Muta. It's just dress-up. It's not even mind games anymore because he does the same body paint so you know' oh i have a big match with finn balor. he's going to wear that stupid body paint shit and i'm supposed to be 2spooked'

I don't agree with "pretension -- the gimmick" but I do agree that the paint get-up is becoming less and less special. Also, while I understand they need to have a consistent theme for marketing purposes, it really should change more to stay fresh. Also, if he wrassled differently in demon mode, that'd be cool, too.

 

[dream]

But Fin also has a Mark Wahlberg-level of can't miss charisma. I think he'll be fine in WWE. Right now, his gimmick comes off as bush league because of the 200 hicks mimicking his pose during his entrance.

 

[slightconfuse]

Balor should adopt a kamen rider gimmick.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

At some point someone in the back needs to plan some stuff out. WWE is the biggest wrestling company in the world and they still run tv like a college student writing an essay the day it's due.

 

[avengers23]

At some point someone in the back needs to plan some stuff out. WWE is the biggest wrestling company in the world and they still run tv like a college student writing an essay the day it's due.

Hard to plan when your boss rips your plan up at the eleventh hour on a semi-regular basis.

This Monday's Raw is going to be hilarious. Welcome to Monday Night Over-Reaction!

 

[Data West]

If anything, making the demon stuff more special makes more money because they can sell a regular saiyan Finn shirt and a super saiyan finn shirt at the same time

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Like think about this for a second:

Forget your feelings about Ambrose for a second. In both of his feuds with Rollins, was any thought put into it besides "Dean will get a pop from this?" What was the point of either of those feuds? Why did Wyatt interrupt? Why would anyone not think that it would make the most sense to have Dean win after their first match had a dusty finish in Rollins favor, and their ladder match had a cluster ending?

 

[RP912]

I thought Finn and Itami were suppose to be like the Sting and Luger of NXT :/....

 

[Aiii]

Hard to plan when your boss rips your plan up at the eleventh hour on a semi-regular basis.

This Monday's Raw is going to be hilarious. Welcome to Monday Night Over-Reaction!

And the best part? Raw is in Chicago.

 

[Cagey]

It's too bad Hunter keeps getting the side effect of frail, beat up bodies with his pre-made wrestlers. Itami was the first character since Zayn to feel compelling to me as a babyface in NXT.

What about Itami started feeling compelling in NXT? Honest question. I've been stuck in "wanting to feel Itami was compelling" mode but not actually getting there.

 

[Data West]

What about Itami started feeling compelling in NXT? Honest question. I've been stuck in "wanting to feel Itami was compelling" mode but not actually getting there.

Him getting accustomed to the new promotion and new style and seeing his progress improve each week. He seemed to connect really well with the fans and came off as a guy you wanted to win. He's probably the most 'human' feeling wrestler in NXT rather than a cool guy doing cool things like Finn or Corbin. The WM video helped a lot as well.

 

[UrbanDandy]

Damn, Balor is big.

 

[cr_blah_blah]

There was that time Itami said "Kevin Owens" twice and everybody seem befuddled.

 

[RP912]

And the best part? Raw is in Chicago.

Even Chicago got tame after a while now...

The whole smark city stuff seems dated unless they go to Toronto or the UK...then the real magic begins.

 

[avengers23]

There was that time Itami said "Kevin Owens" twice and everybody seem befuddled.

The Itami road to WrestleMania special made him interesting, though seeing him at the San Jose house show made him compelling in a way he wasn't even as KENTA.

 

[Data West]

featuring King Hoss Sekimoto.

That's not King Hoss

 

[cr_blah_blah]

The Itami road to WrestleMania special made him interesting, though seeing him at the San Jose house show made him compelling in a way he wasn't even as KENTA.

It's a real shame he's going to miss the Japan special. That would have been great.