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Sure. That part sucks.
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Deleted member 47027
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Nah, you don't seem like the complaining type. Ziggler is far worse.
Maaaaaardy
Member
Oh dude what a cop out, Bryan is in the state he's in currently more because of his time on the indies than his time in WWE. You can't wrestle 40 minutes plus a night kicking the crap out of each other for 10 years. Love the guy but his time in ROH/Japan is to blame. His matches with McGuinness, KENTA, Morishima and Joe were all just sickening.
There's a three way match with KENTA, Joe and Bryan that was so stiff in ROH that Joe burst his eardrum and the other two both left with concussions. I don't want to see him retire at all, but at minimum they're as guilty as each other, those phases of his career.
You could always be like Cena and have a huge bus.
The schedule is everything about it that is bad for your health. They need a rotating roster.
I have this feeling that in the next few years we'll find out that Cena is completely fucked in the head from how long he's been doing it, and WWE has just done a good job of covering it up.
Barrage
Member
Exactly. Blaming WWE for Bryan's injuries is shortsighted and biased. It was the grossest thing from the IWC this year.
" PUSH BRYAN VS LESNAR AT WM YOU FUCKING IDIOTS DUMB VINCE"
2 months later...
"WHY'D THEY BRING BRYAN BACK WHY'D THEY PUT HIM IN THAT LADDER MATCH DUMB VINCE"
When it was the Smackdown match that reggravated his indie injuries. Get the fuck outta here.
WWE needs a lighter schedule and needs a one or two month off season.
That or Cena is fueled by an insane amount of drugs.
That or Cena is fueled by an insane amount of drugs.
I always said they have a deep enough roster to rotate wrestlers out for a few months at a time.
Not like put Cena/Orton/Bray/Rollins all out at the same time.
But you didn't really need Orton around post-Mania.
Same with Bray post-Taker feud.
Bring em back for SummerSlam... keeps characters and match-up fresh as well.
Maaaaaardy
Member
Thank you, you sensible man! And then it was like "Sheamus injured him being rough", what the fuck? He had a similar match with Reigns. It's purely just down to he wasn't fit enough yet. I pray he's okay though, way too good to be retiring at his age. Such a shame. But people just want to sling shit at WWE, fine. But the indies were a nightmare for people like Bryan. Especially when you work the style he does.
Given Vince specifically told him to tone it down, and HHH, and he didn't...yeah, WWE's fault totally!
Liquidsnake
Banned
I haven't been on the board much, because I have been so upset since Sunday, and Monday reaffirmed what many already knew. Ive had to re evaluate if I want to continue watching wrestling for the first time since the Mid 2000's. If things continue on this path, I may have to stop.
I wonder if the wheels are gonna fall hard like the Undertaker.
Barrage
Member
Orton was off TV from November-February.
A rotating schedule would probably work better.
Big stars you can keep off Smackdown and most house shows. But then you have press tours and all that.
No doubt it's tough being the guy. I bet Zack Ryder is in much better health since he doesn't have to do shit.
Cena doesn't work Smackdown and the dude isn't talented enough to be a draw outside of wrestling.
Plus he is about as interesting as a brick.
Maaaaaardy
Member
You don't attain the success Cena does in any field if you're as interesting as a brick mate. That's a tad harsh.
A rotating schedule would be way better in the sense that we'd get a better idea of who was a draw and who is just on TV way too much.
Also Cena's probably fine in the head. He doesn't really take a whole lot of head/neck bumps. I'd worry for his hip or back though because he tends to fall awkwardly and he keeps doing that leg drop off the top rope.
Barrage
Member
You have a Cesaro avatar.
I still think they should just give everyone a month or two off. Just give everyone from off from Thanksgiving until Royal Rumble off so they can get healthy and go home and be a family man/woman. Nobody, including creative, gives any kind of fucks about WWE during that stretch of the year because FOOTBALL, and I actually think the time off would actually generate some buzz for the yearly 'return of WWE', especially if it's for one of their biggest PPVs.
Maaaaaardy
Member
Woah hold on. Don't call a man who came out with this quote boring.
"It was interesting, I came back as part of Los Ice Creams, which means The Ice Creams."
Year in review stuff plus they could give NXT a bigger spotlight during the main-roster's off season period, since NXT is pre-taped anyway. An off season could give them more stuff like that one Raw that was mostly pre-recorded interviews because of a snowstorm, that was actually a fun episode.
Barrage
Member
If you think they'd ever shut down for 6 weeks you're out ofyour mind. Especially when Survivor Series is still historically more of a draw than the B-PPVs.
I think WWE may have discovered the answer last year accidentally. Remember that pre-WM RAW when there was a snowstorm so it was just vignettes like Rollins slapping the chair away from Lesnar? Many remarked what a change of pace that was. Throw that on the week before they traditionally do their "Best Of The Year" show, and you sneak a nice long 2-3 week break at the end of the year. Combine that with 3-Week breaks for all wrestlers alternated through the year, and you'd have a healthier roster while still being able to operate.
avengers23
Banned
Writers like Shoemaker have proposed sabbaticals and offseasons for wrestlers for years.
This is what happens when no one would unionize with Jesse Ventura.
This is what happens when no one would unionize with Jesse Ventura.
Put Survivor Series the week before Thanksgiving, close out the year with that show. End on a high note, go six weeks with NXT tapings, backstage stuff like that snowstorm Raw, and the typical best of the year shit. They could easily fill up a six week gap with content.
lovely ladies
Member
I thought I read you saying he didn't narrate it, he only did certain parts?
He does most of it and another guy does intros to chapters. It's 9 hours long! Holy fuck I don't know when I will finish it.
Alternates, his co-author's third person stuff is by a narrator, the first person stuff Bryan wrote himself is read by him.
Everything I've heard about the dude is that all of his inrestes perfectly intersect with the WWE. (Body Building, power lifting, and Sports entertaining). It's why Vince loves him so much. He is the Hulk Hogan who doesn't get injured and views himself as a company man rather than a man working for a company.
I think he is trying to be Vanna White. Everyone likes her but nobody knows anything about her so they attach their beliefs onto her.
lovely ladies
Member
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Co-signed on the rotating schedule. No reason the same dudes have to wrestle every week
Maaaaaardy
Member
He's had a couple of serious injuries, the neck and pec injuries come to mind. But anyway, so what if he likes what he likes. They're his interests! He's a good wrestler and an amazing story teller, and he connects with the fans. That's why he's popular. Hardly 'boring', he can talk excellently and in interviews comes across as polite and humble who cares about wrestling and specifically WWE.
It's either you stay because you care or leave like the Rock, you can't win. It's laughable.
Bryan Bookspoilers:
Bryan told his teachers he got a job at a logging camp that required him to work days and if he could skip classes and just take the tests so he could spend his days learning to become a wrestler. They told him that was fine if he gave them a letter from his mom and his boss at the fictional workplace. He forged the letters and stopped going to school. Nobody ever found out and he graduated High School like that. Also he just said "a lot of fucking money" that's mot PG Daniel.
slightconfuse
Banned
Creative could use a break as Well.,maybe have an actual long term plan.
funkystudent
Member
Bryan's book seems shockingly honest and lacking in bullshit for something WWE put its name on.
Granted I have not read any other wrestlers books so I dunno how they are.
Granted I have not read any other wrestlers books so I dunno how they are.
slightconfuse
Banned
Bring back Halloween Havoc and Starcade please
¡HarlequinPanic!
Member
I'm also a fan of the idea of a jan-jun/jul-dec breaking of seasons: you can have a top guy that has to do the ppv's year round and the two seasons come together for the big 4 still. Hell you can do april-july, august-november and then do jan-march mania season as two shows or something.
I still think it may be too much of a logistical nightmare to really get to work though.
I still think it may be too much of a logistical nightmare to really get to work though.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
All this talk about sabbaticals and rest periods is fine, but you have to answer these questions.
What do you do about the fan that tunes out for six months while John Cena isn't in the rotation?
What do you do when your merch sales suffer and take a 50% hit? 75%?
What about when people unsubscribe from the Network because their faves are off for six months?
How do you placate your investors, knowing damn well you can't just stick someone in Cena's slot and they'll generate the same money, because they won't. What are your answers to these questions?
What do you do about the fan that tunes out for six months while John Cena isn't in the rotation?
What do you do when your merch sales suffer and take a 50% hit? 75%?
What about when people unsubscribe from the Network because their faves are off for six months?
How do you placate your investors, knowing damn well you can't just stick someone in Cena's slot and they'll generate the same money, because they won't. What are your answers to these questions?
¡HarlequinPanic!
Member
any truth to cena's career winding down? I'm seeing hollywood a-knockin' reports on the backs of these comedies he's in.
¡HarlequinPanic!
Member
Also: regarding what happens during the off-season: this could be where WWE's attempts to ramp-up original programming can come in handy.
I don't know, I agree that I think the off-season on their highest earners will never make it past the board of directors, but there's a bit of room for innovation.
I don't know, I agree that I think the off-season on their highest earners will never make it past the board of directors, but there's a bit of room for innovation.
Barrage
Member
These six month breaks will never work. A guy has to eat all year round. Your best bet is a month- six week breaks at most, and RAW booking focusing on different wrestlers every week. A week 75 percent focused on tag teams would feel like a "break",even if the rest of the roster is still around. Think of how on Lucha Underground, every 3 weeks you'll see a guy twice and he'll wrestle once. It's focusing your perspective so that the audience WANTS to see certain people, and starting to build matches two or three weeks ahead,soa wrestler can have a presence on a show without being physically there.
Liquidsnake
Banned
When Vince is no longer with us. HHH will.
Maybe they should have thought about these things before deciding to build the company entirely around Cena for the past 10 years?
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Except I feel like dudes that are crazy into wrestling as an artform or sport are people like HHH, Mick, and Flair. I feel like if Cena truly cared about wrestling as a whole he would be pushing the limit of what storylines and the types of matches that he has. Right now he is expanding his moveset way above anyone of his size or position needs to be but he has also been the main event for almost 13 years.
I think Cena loves what he does but I think he doesn't see himself trying to evolve the sport itself.
slightconfuse
Banned
In this situation wwe is a competent company that can build multiple stars not a company with a highlander at the top
Hogan wasn't on TV every week. He was barely on TV every month.
The Rock wasn't the big star in his time. Austin was. The fact that you had Austin and Rock at the same time just shows you that it is possible to have more than 1 big star.
I mean.. not like their product isn't suffering as is... I mean at some point you'll need to change gears, and if it means taking a short-term hit to make sure the long-term health of the company is fine... then so be it