IrishNinja
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wait, is stinkles formerly outerworldvoice? i wanna say i recognize the tag
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Just got my console (and I assume my account) banned from Live for playing Halo 4.
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You should have known that Halo 4 leaked a couple weeks ago and MS has been super tight about anything Halo 4 being posted let alone people actually playing the game. Not saying you were correctly banned, all I'm saying is that you should have seen it coming. I would have hit MS up first, there are a good amount of people on GAF who could have cleared things up for you before this happened.
Assuming the truth, he is a victim here. Now, he of course is a bit on the wrong side of the situation because he has a product that's not supposed to be for sale with no receipt to prove he didn't steal it, but still a victim.
Randolph Freelander
Member
If the store said "I'll ring it up on the launch date," I would fell compelled to question the sale, yes.
Guess who OuterWorldVoice formerly was.
Getting banned for PIRATING and playing Halo 4 early.
He's that dude from Oldboy. He's a pretty nice considering what he went through.
Because then the media can't play. Yes they could put the review system on partnernet but hte problem with that is a lot of media outside the US do not have debug units so it restricts the amount of outlets that can review the game timely, something MS wouldn't want.
If you boot up H4 right now it has a message to media. It's pretty freaking obvious its in a media restricted stage.
I'm not saying that this is legit and good, but MS have made an assumption that stupid people wouldn't sell THAT early (i imagine after Thursday they may not ban insta). Perhaps you could argue one of the problems was caused by the fact MS shipped it to stores this early......
Yes.
I always thought the general rule of thumb for early copies to stay offline. Yeah it sucks that it needs to be done, but it's an unfortunate reality of a flawed system.
Sorry, I should have phrased that better. I was addressing the second part of that to those in this thread asking about the store and receipts, not you.
I just find it a little concerning that anyone would look at his copy as illegitimate when that should be something entirely between the distributor/publisher and the retailer. The consumer should be left out of any conflict there entirely imho.
Yup, as a result customer gets banned for MS's incompetence. Its nice MS is able to fix the problem for the OP, but it should not have gotten to that point in the first place.
YuriLowell
Member
Doesn't matter, Microsoft plainly said anyone playing Halo 4 early will be banned.
He didn't listen.
lol. should have been the first post.
HawksWinStanley
Member
Have to agree with this.
C'mon man, you knew better. I agree it's bullshit that they went as far as banning you but still, you knowingly bought a game that shouldn't have been for sale. You brought this on yourself.
They've gotten banned for playing pirated copies early.
Being banned for early legit copies is something new, afaik.
Stories like this really make me wonder why MS doesn't just add something in a firmware update that gives players a warning message should they attempt to play unreleased software. Something like "this software has a release date of xx/xx/xx as such proceeding with playing it will result in a ban on your account until that date , you may continue playing it offline until that date after which your account will be restored" And then proceed to warn the player 2 or 3 times that your account will be banned until official release day , giving anyone more then a fair chance at trying to back out if they want.
I imagine the TOS for xbox live has something about this sort of thing somewhere in it's 4000000 page contract but as south park said about apple last year- no one ever reads those things outside of lawyers.
I'm also not saying I approve of this kind of thing but if such a warning appeared when a game was attempting to be played early there'd be fewer incidents.
I imagine the TOS for xbox live has something about this sort of thing somewhere in it's 4000000 page contract but as south park said about apple last year- no one ever reads those things outside of lawyers.
I'm also not saying I approve of this kind of thing but if such a warning appeared when a game was attempting to be played early there'd be fewer incidents.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Devil's advocate: Microsoft could be a tree falling in a forest with no one around. Who is to assume the average consumer heard anything?
[Note: still agree with Microsoft's ban policy, here.]
That's assuming the OP even knew Microsoft said that. It's not like Microsoft sent everyone an email saying they'll ban everyone for playing Halo 4.
Krappadizzle
Member
My GT is jacksk3llington, I've had it since Unreal Championship days. I for a brief moment that that was my GT when I saw it written. Sucks that happened to you. But if you have proof of purchase I'm sure you could probably get it worked out eventually. Might be a hassle, but I think you could work it out.
I'm a fan too.
No i am pretty sure it happened with halo 3 as well and maybe reach
don't think MS has gone this hard with anything but halo
TheContact
Member
Any consumer can say they had no idea about a street date. They went into a store, saw a game they wanted, had it sold them, and wanted to go home and play it. Sometimes there are warnings after you boot up the game if you play it online before the street date. That wasn't the case here? Then it's MS fault.
Lets not be obtuse. The op knew what he was doing when he broke street date.
Where does it say that? I'm on gaf all the time and haven't seen anything. Why should that be the consumer's responsibility to hunt down some information on if they're "allowed" to play the game they just bought.
I'm certainly not arguing against someone getting to play a game that they legally purchased. Also, I have never played Halo or any other FPS on the Xbox 360.
However, if you came to me and said "I just bought this game early. It's the new Halo!", I would tell you right away that Microsoft might ban you. This is with knowing nothing about the game, its development, or even its release date.
However, if you came to me and said "I just bought this game early. It's the new Halo!", I would tell you right away that Microsoft might ban you. This is with knowing nothing about the game, its development, or even its release date.
YuriLowell
Member
The OP just proved that you can...
What if someone was just busy during that day with their job? Were they really living under a rock?
I'd venture to guess most Halo players do not visit gaming sites/gaf/blogs.
I do and did not see any mention of it.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
It was the store's incompetence actually.
Lets just say he's a fan of Halo and an all around pretty nice dude.
I haven't seen this info anywhere until now. I use Gaf and listen to the bombcast and cagcast. That info wasn't given to me, and I consider myself an enthusiast.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Perfect.
Live Free or Die
Banned
Cant believe people are defending MS on this.
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
He willingly and knowingly bought it before release.
The big question I have is why did he sign in?
The thread just reeks of taking an opportunity a step too far and then complaining that you got caught.
I guess I meant to say I don't think you should be getting banned
Randolph Freelander
Member
Seriously? You think everybody lives and breathes gaming news? Every gamer, even?
Newsflash, pal. I'm not entirely sure when Halo 4 releases. November 6, I think? I think that's right. I'm barely one to stay up to speed on actual important matters, let alone gaming news. (Heck, I just had to go search and see what this whole "hurricane sandy" hoopla was all about just a few minutes ago.) I had never heard this Halo proclamation you speak of. And here I am, a gamer on a gaming forum, one that even intends to buy Halo 4. So again I ask, the average consumer is to be expected to know what Microsoft has shouted from on high?
But again, I assume we can all see the nuance here. Generally, the consumer is innocent. Specifically, this consumer? Not so much. Microsoft? The history of Halo suggests bans are appropriate, particularly since the consumer has recourse.
I agree and my first reaction to the thread was completely along these lines. As you say though, it pretty obviously isn't a case of innocent unknowing consumer. I don't think he should get permabanned or anything, but the 'fuck you Microsoft' is a bit rich.
Bit strange that the time stamp is from the 26th as well..?
I read news all the time and I've never heard of it either (I'm not interested in Halo though)? Furthermore, you can't expect a customer to follow online press. If it's not in a pop-up screen when you boot the game, most people are not going to know anything about it.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Seems legit.
Because he did not know it would get him banned. To be clear: this is unusual. MS did not tend to ban accounts playing legitimate early releases.
I have a few friends who only play Madden, CoD, and Halo. They sure as hell wouldn't know about any of these warnings.
In fact, this is the first time I'm even hearing about these warnings, and I like to think I'm on the up-and-up with gaming news.
Maybe the reviewers gave MS their gamertags?
MS has the right to enforce their street dates. It's the store that deserves the blame in this case, not MS or the consumer, since they broke their contract.
Banning people in order to achieve that is a bit iffy but as this thread and Stinkles' posts show that they'll unban you once you present a bit of proof that your copy is legit. Inconvenient and I'd say there's probably better ways to achieve that, but it works out in the end.
TimeEffect
Member
Well, there you go.
Chew the shit out of this bs policy. If you're going to bend over like that, of course they will walk all over you