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Kanye West & Jay-Z present: Watch The Throne
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While I may have been with NegroGAF/Black CultureGAF since its inception, it's glory days are behind it sadly.Wanda/Wander said:
Yikes.ReconYoda said:
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ReconYoda said:
WAT.
New Day is about his future son... what is personal to you? Him describing his first wet dream?
Surprise surprise: Yeezy stans are Yeezy stans because of the whole package, not just the rapping. I guarantee you if he couldn't produce, Yeezy Stan numbers would be a tenth of what they are now, as would the relative amount of success he has gained.ReconYoda said:
And yeah criticism is healthy. It's what kept the MBDTF threads healthy.
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I wouldn't say Ye has the best deep verses or anything, but really I love his witty lyrics. CD/LR is just filled with lyrics that'd make me laugh.ReconYoda said:
Wanda/Wander
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lolProtoCents said:
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This. Kanye's not a Big L, a Lupe Fiasco, or a Nas.Tguy said:
But he has clever lines that keep his raps from being uninteresting.
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Word and I feel like he kinda needed to redeem himself after Blueprint 3. Now is a good time to retire lol.enzo_gt said:
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enzo_gt said:
Considering how good he was on American Gangster which was post Black Album, I think you need a second listen. He's using that same boring choppy out of breathe flow on MOST of his verses here. There are flashes of switching it up, but then he falls back into the same pattern.
kanyeshrug.gifReconYoda said:
you call ye a mediocre rapper, and a better producer, then you want him in a rap state of mind? sounds like you dont know what you like.
MBDTF was extremely personal. i dont know what album you heard, but the dude got his bad personal issues out on 808s and got his media vs kanye issues out on mbdtf.
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Holy shit. Which song is that? See, that's the kind of deep shit that I wouldn't grasp on the first few listens.Koojay said:
zychi said:
Please read carefully. I say he is a mediocre rapper, yet i know he has something good in him, he has potential to be more. I say i wish 808 was a rap album, because thats the kind of thing i wanted from him, but him rhyming. MBDTF was just ye bitching about shit. Maybe I'm asking too much of Ye, maybe i should just go back to listening to CD and remembering the feeling i got from that.
Why did Kanye remove the piano from Pete Rock's The Joy beat? Shit sounded SO much better before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOYm3ZMETyE
apparently i live in the world where you just said that "before the album came out it was a ye/jay suckoff fest"ReconYoda said:
yeah, because the album wasnt out yet. its no longer a suckoff fest because the album came out.
transformers thread turned to shit because transformers are shit, and the fans still havent realized this almost 30 years since the toy became a cartoon.
do you really not understand this? or are you trying to be a terrible troll? either way i'm done with this because you live in some weird ass world where you don't know what you just said two posts prior.
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Thank you kindly.Koojay said:
And American Gangster was definitely Jay-Z's apex lyrically. It all went down hill from that with glimpses of gold here and there.
Okay now I'm SURE you didnt listen to the same album as me. Religious contemplation, the stages of depression, the height of ecstasy collapsing into pain, pain invoking mania and pain turning to acceptance.. All of these themes went over your head?ReconYoda said:
Echoing spin here: holy fucking shit.Koojay said:
enzo_gt said:
I think you were pulling too much out of that basic shit. Honestly, MBDTF is not deep. It has a false sense of complexity. I could go on, but really, i dont hate the album. Maybe I'm expecting too much, and Ye just can't give anything that complex.
Edit: Im just listening to these bonus songs, if they took off Lift off and added IMA and Primetime to the album, it would of been a lot better.
really? i thought blueprint 3, all though it was more mainstream, was better then the AG soundtrack. it felt like jay was trying to push things out that didnt work. i still think his last 3 solo albums are garbage, but bp3>AG>KCspindashing said:
dunno how i would rank his older albums, id have to think about that for awhile, but the last three are definitely the worse imo.
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I never meant to come off as an asshole ( My english is asscheeks at time exspecially when I type). As I understand that people can have opinions and I really respect a lot of them it's just that some of them seem really nitpicky or like they come from people who went into it not liking it.
like you expect Jay to talk about his money and Ye to talk about superficial shit. But you condemn the album for weak lyrics when it was never gonna be about that in the first place. I expected hard ass beats witha few fun punchlines and well I got that.
But hey opinions right? Never meant to offend my bad. It's hard to get that across without coming off as an asshole,my bad.
like you expect Jay to talk about his money and Ye to talk about superficial shit. But you condemn the album for weak lyrics when it was never gonna be about that in the first place. I expected hard ass beats witha few fun punchlines and well I got that.
But hey opinions right? Never meant to offend my bad. It's hard to get that across without coming off as an asshole,my bad.
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zychi said:
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We need to take this to Gaf-Hop cause you ain't just say BP3 > AG
On topic though, Who Gon Stop Me -> Murder To Excellence is so good. I wish the rest of the album felt like that.
Sequencing certainly gives the illusion then.ReconYoda said:
You have to be blind to miss the religious contemplation bits though, as Ye has been building up to that for a while. *kanyeshrug* That and I thought it was fairly obvious that the album started off on a high note and slowly got deeper and darker as it went on. That isn't a mistake.
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damn, murder to excellence lives up to the hype
Wanda/Wander
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Most of us Kanye stans have some sort of self awareness, but there are some posters here that are convinced that they are the only voices of reason. They just drag down the conversation with arguments that we had in the MBDTF thread, the 808s thread, the Graduation thread, etc.
It's the same. fucking. arguments.
It's the same. fucking. arguments.
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The only thing that I thank BP3 for is introducing me to J. Cole.zychi said:
Nothing else. It's just ... not good in comparison to this other albums.
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I thought it was impossible to like Blueprint 3 more than American Gangster.
Knux-Future
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Real Talk. I don't remember one song from Blueprint 3....wtf.
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enzo_gt said:
MBDTF isn't deep
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Empire State of Mind?Knux-Future said:
Really?
Do live in Boston or somthing?
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Wanda/Wander said:
They played that song so much...I think my mind forced itself to forgot about it...that or the Alzheimer's is setting in early.
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