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Kanye West & Jay-Z present: Watch The Throne
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polyh3dron
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I blame Spindashing. He went and fucked everything up.DominoKid said:
Naw I listened to the whole thing... I think it feels like a blueprint 4 to me featuring kanye then anything on a whole different level... I don't hate it, i just don't love it yet.Ashhong said:
I thought the rza beat was mediocre. But the lyrics were real to me.. And I expected so much from that's my bitch and I just can't get into it. I'm gonna give it more time.
Mr Solo Dolo
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God damn "Murder to Excellence"
I heard this once-through today. My hype level was at pretty much none; I expected a mediocre album.
This...
was disappointing. Both dudes are tired as ever on the mic, and there was an odd mix of overproduction and underproduction on the beats, which would easily qualify as the worst on a Kanye album (if this was a solo album).
2/5, generously speaking.
I'll give it a listen in the whip, though. Maybe it'll make a difference.
This...
was disappointing. Both dudes are tired as ever on the mic, and there was an odd mix of overproduction and underproduction on the beats, which would easily qualify as the worst on a Kanye album (if this was a solo album).
2/5, generously speaking.
I'll give it a listen in the whip, though. Maybe it'll make a difference.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
qcf x2 said:
Dope album is still dope a whole day later. Probably the weakest Kanye's rhymes have been, but they aren't horrible. Album is still damn good. Going to wait a while to rank the albums.
Btw, my friend asked me what was "the throne" and why he should watch it. SMH. It hurt me.
Also, I really like Frank Ocean on No Church in the Wild. Fits the song perfectly.
Btw, my friend asked me what was "the throne" and why he should watch it. SMH. It hurt me.
Also, I really like Frank Ocean on No Church in the Wild. Fits the song perfectly.
Max Armstrong
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My bad for all the shit I said about Swizz, Murder for Excellence is a killer. Probably because he doesn't say a word on it.
Knux-Future
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Max Armstrong said:
He also didn't produee that one..his song was Welcome to the Jungle..
edit: Wow I stand corrected...damn Swizzy still has some heat left
FormallyFamicom
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Knux-Future said:
He produced the first half.
ProtoCents
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Famicom said:
No way.
Wow.
He actually did.
DeadFalling
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So, wtf is up with the random switch ups to the happy/cooky sounding beat during the last like 30 seconds of several of the songs?
Knux-Future
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DeadFalling said:
My theory is that those songs where all placed before some other song that didn't make it because it's also before IMFA starts too...This album was redone a couple of times
that or Kanye being Kanye.
XANDER CAGE
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DeadFalling said:
Yeezy being yeezy
Knux-Future
Banned
Gila said:
Hidden track for CD release or see above post for alt answer
Knux-Future
Banned
Primetime might be the most complete song on the album ( well Deluxe anyway).
Good Beat
Good Verses
G.O.O.D Music
Good Beat
Good Verses
G.O.O.D Music
dustytruly
Member
dammit... this makes it so fucking hard to hate on swizz... but i still fucking hate him... probably didn't even produce it... ARGHFamicom said:
GoodMorning
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The back and forth on Gotta Have It is too nice
Max Armstrong
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I think that Kanye is going to get at least 15 grammy nominations this year. Hope he wins AOTY with MBDTF... but he'll lose to Taylor Swift just for the lulz
Knux-Future
Banned
Max Armstrong said:
He will explode in a rage unseen by mankind.
It will be awesome
Finally listened to the album several times now (just finished finally listening to the deluxe tracks).
I really like how Illest Mother Alive plays after 1:30 seconds, it's like a throwback to the hidden tracks of previous Jay albums.
Favorite Tracks:
N**as in Paris - Strangely, the Will Ferral sample helped me enjoy it. I'm not crazy for the beat, but the second half is noooice. I think I took the track to seriously when it's really just all about fun. I probably would have continued to take it seriously until that Will sample.
Gotta Have it - I think someone mentioned it's almost like a modern Brooklyn's Finest... I disagree. They're good with the back and forth, but not on the finesse level of Jadakiss/Styles P, Beans and Freeway, and nowhere near old Jay and Biggie. Still a fun track.
That's My Bitch - Beat sounds tighter than it's previous incarnation. Jay is flowing speedy, and Ye actually sounds on point with the beat. Leave it to Q-tip to bring back the scratch with a classic production.
Who Gon Stop Me - I don't mind the lack of augmentation to the sample. I was really bothered by Ye's "Stronger" from Graduation... that was far more lazy. This was carried well lyrically which counts IMO. Ye going at it in pig-latin, Jay going back to his young hungry mode on the second half... it's a great song. Jay could have benefited by just letting it rip completely with a more complex flow on the final moments without any pauses for the beat. It would have been an absolutely perfect track.
Murder to Excellence - Loved it... It's like sweet and sour in one song (concept wise). Only issue is that I just wish Ye could keep up with the beat in his first verse.
Why I Love You - Reminds me of "Dig a Hole" and "What We Talkin Bout". Really loved the hook, and the beat was rugged too and went well. Deep song... I expect Jay to catch heat for that from the usual suspects. I wish Ye was on it more though. Would have been nice to hear him comment on issues with Beans, but I guess that's not really like him to put names out.
Primetime - Fun song with a lazy tune reminiscent of a College Dropout track. Jay's delivery was pretty lazy. Ye was pretty laid back on here too, not as lazy as Jay, but definitely sounding like a piece from an old mixtape and not a major collabo like this. Still a decent song though.
The Joy - Just as beautiful as I remembered it, Pete Rock still has it. I'm not sure if there's a change, but I hear more Cudi talking along with Ye at the beginning (a little annoying), and pauses in the beat for Ye and Jay's delivery.
I was thinking they would take that gangster melody played between songs and do something with it, but it when nowhere, which left me a little confused. Oh well.
The other songs sound either underdeveloped lyrically, over produced (with too many added vocals, or just off). Like No Church in the Wild would have been great hadn't turned into some artistic jungle of oddball noises. Many songs suffer from this.
It's like Kanye is similar to Dewy Cox where every song he produces now has to be the "ultimate song" and he gets every single instrument into one big room, grabs a marching band, circus performers, and tries to meld it into an ungodly mess. There's a decent song under the spectacle, but it's just ruined by an overload on sugar.
Not the album I expected: mix of backpacker, hip-pop, and hip-hop. Still... at least half of the album is enjoyable.
I really like how Illest Mother Alive plays after 1:30 seconds, it's like a throwback to the hidden tracks of previous Jay albums.
Favorite Tracks:
N**as in Paris - Strangely, the Will Ferral sample helped me enjoy it. I'm not crazy for the beat, but the second half is noooice. I think I took the track to seriously when it's really just all about fun. I probably would have continued to take it seriously until that Will sample.
Gotta Have it - I think someone mentioned it's almost like a modern Brooklyn's Finest... I disagree. They're good with the back and forth, but not on the finesse level of Jadakiss/Styles P, Beans and Freeway, and nowhere near old Jay and Biggie. Still a fun track.
That's My Bitch - Beat sounds tighter than it's previous incarnation. Jay is flowing speedy, and Ye actually sounds on point with the beat. Leave it to Q-tip to bring back the scratch with a classic production.
Who Gon Stop Me - I don't mind the lack of augmentation to the sample. I was really bothered by Ye's "Stronger" from Graduation... that was far more lazy. This was carried well lyrically which counts IMO. Ye going at it in pig-latin, Jay going back to his young hungry mode on the second half... it's a great song. Jay could have benefited by just letting it rip completely with a more complex flow on the final moments without any pauses for the beat. It would have been an absolutely perfect track.
Murder to Excellence - Loved it... It's like sweet and sour in one song (concept wise). Only issue is that I just wish Ye could keep up with the beat in his first verse.
Why I Love You - Reminds me of "Dig a Hole" and "What We Talkin Bout". Really loved the hook, and the beat was rugged too and went well. Deep song... I expect Jay to catch heat for that from the usual suspects. I wish Ye was on it more though. Would have been nice to hear him comment on issues with Beans, but I guess that's not really like him to put names out.
Primetime - Fun song with a lazy tune reminiscent of a College Dropout track. Jay's delivery was pretty lazy. Ye was pretty laid back on here too, not as lazy as Jay, but definitely sounding like a piece from an old mixtape and not a major collabo like this. Still a decent song though.
The Joy - Just as beautiful as I remembered it, Pete Rock still has it. I'm not sure if there's a change, but I hear more Cudi talking along with Ye at the beginning (a little annoying), and pauses in the beat for Ye and Jay's delivery.
I was thinking they would take that gangster melody played between songs and do something with it, but it when nowhere, which left me a little confused. Oh well.
The other songs sound either underdeveloped lyrically, over produced (with too many added vocals, or just off). Like No Church in the Wild would have been great hadn't turned into some artistic jungle of oddball noises. Many songs suffer from this.
It's like Kanye is similar to Dewy Cox where every song he produces now has to be the "ultimate song" and he gets every single instrument into one big room, grabs a marching band, circus performers, and tries to meld it into an ungodly mess. There's a decent song under the spectacle, but it's just ruined by an overload on sugar.
Not the album I expected: mix of backpacker, hip-pop, and hip-hop. Still... at least half of the album is enjoyable.
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