The point you keep missing is that exploits/cheats/whatever are inherently wrong, regardless of whether the playerbase thinks they are acceptable or not.
Kid share plays Destiny to stranger...
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The point you keep missing is that exploits/cheats/whatever are inherently wrong, regardless of whether the playerbase thinks they are acceptable or not.
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Under what ethical argument? If I buy Super Mario Bros and use an exploit to skip levels, why should I feel ethically unclean? It's a video game. It's nothing more than a bunch of 1's and 0's.
It sounds like a complete waste of time, to be honest. Grinding for hours and hours and hours for shitty loot drops. I sincerely hope my kids don't get addicted to shit like this, despite being an avid gamer myself.
Super Mario bros is not a MMO.
GlamFM
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Is that supposed to change anything?
Neither is Destiny. We just went over this. And you're the one that said exploiting was inherently wrong.
GlamFM
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We're talking about a kid here! What is wrong with you guys?
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Prophet Steve
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I have played a good part of the beta and I think I have a pretty good idea of how the game works. Have I said anything that is wrong? As far as I know what I say is true even for the simple fact that the most difficult dungeons with a level requirement have special loot (exotic?)
I don't say it is a problem. As I said, I don't care about this cheat and don't think he deserves it. Mostly because it barely effects other players, seems pretty well-known and doesn't give too much of an advantage over playing normally. But it is cheating, and people can be bothered by it. You say that cheating must have a victim to call it cheating, but that is simply not true, not by any definition of the word as far as I know.
And 5% of playtime in Destiny can be a big amount depending on the playtime, loot games can swallow so much time.
I didn't see anyone claim that Destiny was not a MMO. Can anyone else confirm?
And this discussion was in the context of a MMO, where exploiting IS inherently wrong
Twilight Gap
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i can't say i sympathize with him for trying to boost and having it backfire, but i also don't agree that because it's "just a game", the feelings one would experience for losing time investment into something that brought them joy aren't valid. in fact, that's all the more reason these kinds of behaviors shouldn't be allowed, as it ultimately ruins the game for everyone. i'd hope the parents are able to turn this into a positive learning experience about trust or whatever else, but considering the nature of the glitch (if such a glitch exists), i don't think this was some kind of "deserved punishment". if it was an exploit that negatively impacted other players, then i could agree with the "lesson learned" side; however, "boosting" is harmless. a new exploit pops up in the game every other week, so one isolated to an individual player is no big deal. at most, bungie would have caught him and given him a short ban. there are many other legitimate griefers and cheaters on destiny who need to be on the timeout bench, especially this kermit guy. he seems to think he's being a hero by "teaching people lessons" considering that he's been making a career out of abusing shareplay for several months. destiny has an unusually positive and friendly community for a shooter, so the last thing the game needs are these kinds of players tainting that atmosphere.
some of the MMOs I would play allowed the players to restore their deleted characters within a certain timeframe. if you waited longer than a week, they'd be wiped from the server permanently. bungie should be looking into keeping backups of player characters, especially if this game is going to last as long as they say.
some of the MMOs I would play allowed the players to restore their deleted characters within a certain timeframe. if you waited longer than a week, they'd be wiped from the server permanently. bungie should be looking into keeping backups of player characters, especially if this game is going to last as long as they say.
TheAssist
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Ok apparently loosing progress in an online game now counts as a life tragedy.
Worse things have happened to me and probably everyone on this forum at even younger ages. And we mostly cant remember it. The parents should have a talk with the kid about trusting people on the internet and the thing is done. You know PARENTING and all that.
I'm not defending the other guy, he should get his account suspended, but I also dont feel too bad for the kid. Seriously many kids have to deal with much harder things than that.
When I was 11 we moved to a different state. Should I never again trust my parents because they deleted my progress of 11 years of social interactions?
Come on people, have some perspective.
Worse things have happened to me and probably everyone on this forum at even younger ages. And we mostly cant remember it. The parents should have a talk with the kid about trusting people on the internet and the thing is done. You know PARENTING and all that.
I'm not defending the other guy, he should get his account suspended, but I also dont feel too bad for the kid. Seriously many kids have to deal with much harder things than that.
When I was 11 we moved to a different state. Should I never again trust my parents because they deleted my progress of 11 years of social interactions?
Come on people, have some perspective.
GlamFM
Banned
I can.
You have to actually do the loot grind to see where people actually get mad in Destiny. Nobody in Destiny is ever worried about another person exploiting. I don't know how many more times I can say it. It simply isn't a problem for people. RNG is the problem everybody hates. Skipping a pointless grind that just allows you to actually play the RNG game isn't.
I've shareplayed with random gaffers and I'm on the wrong side of 20. If you don't have trust in people for the unimportant things then when can you have trust in people? All the kid has learnt is to not trust people and that's not a good thing in my eyes. You can easily end up just being paranoid.
To be clear, he was hoping to have a glitch performed for him, that instantly skipped him to the highest level, but that glitch doesn't actually exist, yes? So to say that everyone exploits Destiny, no one is exploiting it to the degree that this kid thought he was getting, correct?
And if so, would you think Bungie would just turn the other cheek on that glitch?
Randomizer123454444
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I wish we lived in a world where a complete stranger could be trusted. Unfortunately, it's not like that. It's sad.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
Same. This has angered me way more than it should, maybe because I'm a father also or maybe because I'm not a complete wanker (well.. that's up for debate)
Just did some googling and found out that it is a MMO, just not in the traditional sense, so I am correct.
The glitch would have taken him to the second highest level. You can get to level 31 by grinding rep and just buying gear to be 31. It's boring and takes time. Getting to 32 requires raiding. I'm sure Bungie would fix a glitch that lets just jump straight to 31, but getting to lvl 31 is not a big part of Destiny.
Simply Sami
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/81812797/0/0
Not the first time he's done it too. Someone should teach this guy a taste of his own medicine.
Not the first time he's done it too. Someone should teach this guy a taste of his own medicine.
17 Seconds
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Neither is Destiny.
Good to see a fucking Google search trumps actual testaments.
King of Custard
Member
Unfortunately this is something kids need to learn these days and I'd rather they get a couple of characters deleted then get manipulated in to turning up at some dudes house.
17 Seconds
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It's the equivalent of using double XP from Mountain Dew bottles to level up faster in Call of Duty. Nobovy gives a shit, because it doesn't affect other players.
In the context of your argument, no. Destiny is not an MMO. Reaching a higher level gives you literally ZERO advantage in PvP. It doesn't even give you better gear. All it does it allow you to play higher level content.
Prophet Steve
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It isn't cheating because players are mad with something else is a non-argument, as is trying to discredit me by pretending I don't know anything about the game.
I know probably nobody is probably bothered by it. Well, some people in this thread seem to be, but I don't know if they have even played Destiny. But it is possible for people to feel cheated by some other people doing this. Not that cheating requires a victim, which seems only to be the case with your requirement.
I don't think the cheating is bad because it has so little effect on other people. Pick your fight with the people that think otherwise to the point that he "deserves" this. But it is cheating by probably every definition and there is a valid reason people can be bothered by it.
From people who will say anything to reinforce their arguments?
I am actually reading bungie forums about players being banned for cheating. Why would they be banned if cheating was not inherently wrong?
No, but it clearly highlights the naivety and immaturity of his under-developed brain.
One day he's share-playing Destiny with a stranger, the next getting into Gary Glitter's car...
GlamFM
Banned
Holy shit dude. Time to leave this thread for me.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
No one contacted deej yet see if they can fix it? It is saved on there servers same as WoW and blizzard are fantastic for these kind of situations,pp.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
Seriously? Uncalled for.
Damn, that Kermit guy is disgusting. These 2 cases are probably not the only 2 he's done it to.
There's even a Bungie reply in that thread that they won't do a thing.
I'm willing to bet that they would ban accounts for jumping to (almost) end game instantly with a glitch like that. That's cheating, plain and simple.
Calm down dear.
I was simply saying the kid is 11, he's learnt not to trust strangers and has only lost a couple of characters in a game. IF it were a more mature person you would (hope) assume they would be a little more wary before letting a stranger take control...
Pop
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Chances are high you argue with kids here, too.
They've yet to ban people for exploiting literally the hardest content of the game and turning it into a cakewalk. I'm talking, skipping entire sections, making all enemies disappear, and making the main boss just sit still forever until you decide to kill him.
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This may be a strange way to look at it but this will hopefully prove as a important lesson for the kid. I won't say he deserves it but he was trying to "Cheat" the system. Bungie has already stated they won't restore characters or gear. This can be marked up as a valid life lesson. I'm not 100 percent on this but technically Kermit didn't break any of Bungie's rules that i know of. In that respect he shouldn't be banned. I have a strange feeling about this. I wish this didn't happen to him but i don't feel bad for him.
Oh damn, didn't see that. Not too surprising since it was something through shareplay but that has to suck.
Kid had it coming, cant feel bad for a cheater.
Like He-Man said: The right way is the best way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJb646u5hno
Like He-Man said: The right way is the best way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJb646u5hno
Perhaps it is Sony may act considering he is using the PS4 feature to troll players. Saying that the kid was trying to cheat and we all know cheaters never win
I wonder if the kid's age has got anything to do with Bungie's lack of support. He shouldn't be playing the game due to the rating, and Bungie's support might be seen as some as condoning the breaking of age rated games.
I wonder if the kid's age has got anything to do with Bungie's lack of support. He shouldn't be playing the game due to the rating, and Bungie's support might be seen as some as condoning the breaking of age rated games.