I doubt it'll have any more in-story purpose than the thematic contrast between the transfer student and the school. You're looking for the kind of justification that will never be there. And . . . that's fine.
Totally correct, and if, in the end, the only thing I'm left feeling for this show is a dramatic sense of disappointment at it's unwillingness to buck the current trend that anime is going down, that's not of the show's concern either.
But I want it to be better than that. I want to be able to lean hard into this because other than the things we've already talked about, it seems like something special. But it has not made me a believer as of yet.
I'm not sure that's the case. Not yet. Not with this group of creators. We'll probably find out on friday though.
Totally correct, and if, in the end, the only thing I'm left feeling for this show is a dramatic sense of disappointment at it's unwillingness to buck the current trend that anime is going down, that's not of the show's concern either.
But I want it to be better than that. I want to be able to lean hard into this because other than the things we've already talked about, it seems like something special. But it has not made me a believer as of yet.
I'm pretty sure fanservice isn't a current trend. It's been around for decades.
Also I get the feeling that the creators dont view the sexual stuff in the show with the same shame seen here but I could be wrong since I haven't read any interviews of them discussing that subject.
Also I get the feeling that the creators dont view the sexual stuff in the show with the same shame seen here but I could be wrong since I haven't read any interviews of them discussing that subject.
It's not that a show having fanservice automatically makes me dislike it. It's when a show basically relies solely on fanservice rather than...well, anything else in order to come out of the season as "a success". KLK isn't nearly as bad as some of the shows this season or most of the shows last season...but I wanted to expect more from it.
I didn't say that anyone should. Just that the creator's views towards what direction they want the show to go in might be different. It probably does go without saying.
I guess I might have reacted to "I want it to be better than that". I've always taken this phrase to mean that you want something to be better at what it's already trying to do. In that sense I don't see anything wrong with what KlK is doing. I think the sexually themed humour has a place and I think the show has and will in future episodes prove that it's more then just fanservice.
I think specific shows set out to accomplish specific things so I don't see much sense in changing something to go towards a different direction when it's already underway (in general). You might have one show that's serious, one that's about fanservice, maybe another that has a mix of the two and I think that's a good thing.
I think creating new things to satisfy different directions makes more sense so we have a variety. Now that variety might be skewed towards fanservicey works but I tend to view it in the same way that I view live action television in the sense that pornographic works likely outnumber non-pornographic works but the existence of those works does not affect me since the only shows I know of generally and watch are those that interest me. The existence of shows that don't make use of fanservice are not in jeopardy and I'm sure we'll see many in the years to come.
I want to make it clear that I understand how the presence of fanservice can make a show more difficult to recommend. I think feedback like that is probably more useful to creators in the planning stages where they haven't nailed down how everything will be yet.
I just remembered that I have a tendency to start fires in anime related threads so I might just leave my participation here to episode impressions.
Let's put it this way, the only anime I've been able to recommend to people who aren't already nose deep into it has been Attack on Titan, because it's one of the few shows that feels like it's geared to both young adults and adults alike. Most of the stuff that comes out now a days doesn't treat fanservice as a thing to be splashed around here and there to add to a scene, it gratuitous and sloppy and dumb. It's like preparing to eat a steak, only wanting a splash of salt on the top, but the lid to the shaker comes off and it get buried in it. I used to recommend Bakemonogatari to people because the first season was a beautifully animated, genuinely funny series about dating, sex, relationships and supernatural creatures in a high school setting, but I had to stop when the second season was almost 100% about the MC wanting or getting extremely close to, fucking his sisters. And stuff that I liked that doesn't have any of that nonsense is geared so young, like Tsuritama...it's hard to find an anime that treats you like you have half a brain, because clearly, "this is anime and you're an adolescent boy, so here's some tits in your face because you like that right?"
Shit's embarrassing, especially if you have to explain away something like Or-i-moe being popular enough where people who aren't into anime know what it is, and you have to explain it to them. Literally, this happened about 3 months ago, my aunt asked me what Or-i-Moe was. My niece ran out of the room full tilt. I wish I had done the same.
LOLOLOLOLOL........In all seriousness I did enough the show, warts and all, but it is definitely shonen through and through.
I dunno, my inability (perceived or actual) to recommend a show has never had much if any impact on my personal enjoyment of it. It seems weird that you'd correlate the two. Like maybe the closest example I can think for me recently is Gargantia of the Verderous Planet. It's a sci-fi/slice-of-life show with most of the sci-fi and action condensed near the start and end of the series and the slice of life in the center. One episode had what I felt were some unfortunate transexual jokes which I personally found distasteful. That makes the show harder to recommend but my personal enjoyment of the show was dampened not because of that fact but because I found those jokes distasteful. There was also some awkward (IMO) fanservice in one of the middle episodes too. That also probably makes the show harder to recommend but I wouldn't have cared except I personally found it to be awkward. How easy/hard it might make the show to recommend to strangers never factored into my evaluation of how much I did or did not enjoy the show or those episodes.
As for the last part of your post:
A) How the hell does your aunt even know about that show?
B) How in the world did that conversation go that caused your niece to "mindbreak"?
Like shouldn't the conversation go:
Aunt & Niece: What the hell is this Oreimo crap? You: It's some show where a nerd guy and his sister are estranged but then he finds out she's also a nerd and they get closer together...........too close if you catch my drift. It's trash, don't watch/read it.
THE END
How did that mentally scar them? The hell did you say to them?
I'm pretty sure fanservice isn't a current trend. It's been around for decades.
Also I get the feeling that the creators dont view the sexual stuff in the show with the same shame seen here but I could be wrong since I haven't read any interviews of them discussing that subject.
The director of this show also directed Dead Leaves, Inferno Cop, Panty & Stocking and Gurren Lagann. He's a self declared fan of John Woo and Robert Rodriguez. That should tell you all you need to know about the man's views on fanservice.
Let's put it this way, the only anime I've been able to recommend to people who aren't already nose deep into it has been Attack on Titan, because it's one of the few shows that feels like it's geared to both young adults and adults alike. Most of the stuff that comes out now a days doesn't treat fanservice as a thing to be splashed around here and there to add to a scene, it gratuitous and sloppy and dumb. It's like preparing to eat a steak, only wanting a splash of salt on the top, but the lid to the shaker comes off and it get buried in it. I used to recommend Bakemonogatari to people because the first season was a beautifully animated, genuinely funny series about dating, sex, relationships and supernatural creatures in a high school setting, but I had to stop when the second season was almost 100% about the MC wanting or getting extremely close to, fucking his sisters. And stuff that I liked that doesn't have any of that nonsense is geared so young, like Tsuritama...it's hard to find an anime that treats you like you have half a brain, because clearly, "this is anime and you're an adolescent boy, so here's some tits in your face because you like that right?"
Shit's embarrassing, especially if you have to explain away something like Or-i-moe being popular enough where people who aren't into anime know what it is, and you have to explain it to them. Literally, this happened about 3 months ago, my aunt asked me what Or-i-Moe was. My niece ran out of the room full tilt. I wish I had done the same.
how is tsuritama geared young? It was aired in a block that was for adults at like 2AM, and is a pretty mature show. Also Bakemonogatari was trashy from the get-go.
I don't think you're reading the tone of shows right.
If you can't find anime to recommend others, you're not actually looking. Granted, the variety has indeed gone down which is a big reason why you find many people complaining in the first place, but quality titles still get made, and not everything is only for a particular niche. You also don't have anime distributors playing catch up on a few decades of product, so what used to be a buffet of backlogged material has now slowed to a realtime trickle by comparison.
It's good but not for everyone, as has been evidenced by the comments around here. I personally like it a lot, but some people are put off by the fanservice, the pace, etc. Only one way to find out if you like it!
Best show of the season I'll wait till the end of the season to decide. Right now it's between this and Kyousougiga for me.
It totally is but it takes more risks and has more characterization than your average shonen. I can tell them that it treats it's audience more as adults than, say, Agents of Shield or Sleepy Hollow.
As for the last part of your post:
A) How the hell does your aunt even know about that show?
B) How in the world did that conversation go that caused your niece to "mindbreak"?
Dude, I don't even know. I didn't think that show was THAT popular, but it do. We were watching football and the question came up.
My niece didn't mind break, she knows what Orimoe is and she didn't want to even run the risk of having to explain to her mother anything about that show. She threw me under the bus.
how is tsuritama geared young? It was aired in a block that was for adults at like 2AM, and is a pretty mature show. Also Bakemonogatari was trashy from the get-go.
I don't think you're reading the tone of shows right.
If you can't find anime to recommend others, you're not actually looking. Granted, the variety has indeed gone down which is a big reason why you find many people complaining in the first place, but quality titles still get made, and not everything is only for a particular niche. You also don't have anime distributors playing catch up on a few decades of product, so what used to be a buffet of backlogged material has now slowed to a realtime trickle by comparison.
It is harder now to suggest an anime to someone who doesn't watch anime than it has ever been. I'll leave it at that. There's one or two show's a season that seem pretty good but man. MAN. The seasonal lineups are more of a minefield now than they ever have been.
It totally is but it takes more risks and has more characterization than your average shonen. I can tell them that it treats it's audience more as adults than, say, Agents of Shield or Sleepy Hollow.
It's a charming, nuanced little show . . . it's certainly more 'mature' than stuff like Bakemonogatari or Attack on Titan.
It is harder now to suggest an anime to someone who doesn't watch anime than it has ever been. I'll leave it at that. There's one or two show's a season that seem pretty good but man. MAN. The seasonal lineups are more of a minefield now than they ever have been.
The problem is that your criticism of the show has been concerned more about the reception of others, or about your hangups with the medium in general. Like, talk about the show.
It totally is but it takes more risks and has more characterization than your average shonen. I can tell them that it treats it's audience more as adults than, say, Agents of Shield or Sleepy Hollow.
The problem is that your criticism of the show has been concerned more about the reception of others, or about your hangups with the medium in general. Like, talk about the show.
Eh, I'd say that it's a biproduct of that. But most of the time, if I describe a show, in this case KLK, as "a show about a seemingly facist high school that has super powered uniforms that's led a supreme dictator that everyone seems to love even if her rules are cruel, and one day a transfer student shows up to get information on her murdered father, and after she's defeated, she finds a magical blood sucking sailor outfit that gives her super powers, and everything is pretty amazing and fairly badass, except the fact that she's basically nude when she fights and that's really stupid and sort of makes me not want to watch it anymore." The response is going to be, "well then why are you watching it?" And then we get to the top of the conversation we're having now.
Opposed to having to describe...BTOOM! or Freezing or Maken Ki or Sengran Kagura or Queen's Blade which is, "there are these girls, and they fight, but they have silly outfits and the more they fight, the more clothes get torn off of them, and sometimes they get dismembered. And sometimes they get raped. One time a girl's breasts inflated so much, they exploded.(
and then they make this face ducklips.jpg
)" And then the other person just gives me this weird look. Though that conversation is usually, "How come you don't watch anime as much as you used to, you used to be really into it."
I really liked it. I thought it skewed young though, even if it wasn't filled with the traditional moments of bombast that most anime has now a days.
And Bakemonogatari was great. It has some of the funniest dialogue I can remember when dealing with sexual comedy. It was refreshing after Panty and Stocking's never ending "WE SAID PENIS! IT'S FUNNY RIGHT!?!" style jokes.
Nope. If the next episode isn't great, I'm probably gonna drop that show.
Ultimately, I want more shows like Uchuu Kyoudai and makes me sad that, while Freezing gets a second season, "The Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer" will probably never get an anime.
Well, yes and no. Since they've lived underground for most of their lives, their dating systems are wack. Simon's the "same" age as Yoko, but Yoko's really older than her age makes it out to be. Littner-years are shorter than Jiiha-years.
Well, yes and no. Since they've lived underground for most of their lives, their dating systems are wack. Simon's the "same" age as Yoko, but Yoko's really older than her age makes it out to be. Littner-years are shorter than Jiiha-years.
And honestly, age in GL is so arbitrary. You could have told me me everyone except for Shimon at the start of that show was 20 and I would have believed you. Sometimes it's better to just leave age off things.
And honestly, age in GL is so arbitrary. You could have told me me everyone except for Shimon at the start of that show was 20 and I would have believed you. Sometimes it's better to just leave age off things.
The first impression I got of TTGL when I started watching it is that it was funny that none of the protagonists wore shirts. Of course then Nia came along and ruined that.
Never saw anyone mentioning it here, but Senketsu saying "Seni-Shoshitsu" when Ryuuko destroys a Goku uniform is a great pun. The written characters translate to "fight lost" or "fiber lost" depending on which ones you use.
Never saw anyone mentioning it here, but Senketsu saying "Seni-Shoshitsu" when Ryuuko destroys a Goku uniform is a great pun. The written characters translate to "fight lost" or "fiber lost" depending on which ones you use.
Yeah, I've seen it translated as "Stripped of the will to fight", which is pretty great. Only serves to further annoy me that they're not translating some terms for whatever reason.
Yeah, I've seen it translated as "Stripped of the will to fight", which is pretty great. Only serves to further annoy me that they're not translating some terms for whatever reason.
It's just a matter of how much time some of the people are willing to put into it. Crunchyroll doesn't have all that much time to fully translate stuff since they have the fact they're simulcasting it and are working on a deadline, while fansubbers can take as much time as they need. I do miss when some of them would include footnotes at the top of the screen or such explaining the definition of some words.
It's just a matter of how much time some of the people are willing to put into it. Crunchyroll doesn't have all that much time to fully translate stuff since they have the fact they're simulcasting it and are working on a deadline, while fansubbers can take as much time as they need. I do miss when some of them would include footnotes at the top of the screen or such explaining the definition of some words.
Yeah, it's Aniplex. It's a simulcast though, so the point still kinda stands. Even then though, surely they could've spent the extra few minutes to translate like three more words per episode?
I mentioned that part before after the 2nd episode aired.
****Speculation Warning****
Maybe it plays into
the reason why Ryuko's father was killed?
It could be that her father used humans to make Senketsu. The fact that he feeds on blood relates to that I think. Since uniforms are super powerful it could be that he was assassinated for making something that would be considered taboo by some higher powers. Since Ryuko is going to Satsuki for answers and since Satsuki has Junketsu which is like Senketsu but a different colour scheme I think it's likely that either Ryuko's father created both, or he just created Senketsu and was killed while the ones responsible created Junketsu (and maybe others).
I commute to work via train every day. I sometimes watch anime on the commute. I'd be hesitant to watch something like this due to the fan service. Watching anime has a bad enough connotation but this stuff is too much for public consumption.
pretty much thought this as soon as I saw the op but it seems a lil grim.
the uniform has an eye patch, her dad had an eye patch. I'm thinking the dad made himself into a uniform for whatever reason. but that does contradict with Senketsu remembering what his creator looked like. and the whole hunting down the woman with the scissor because of her dad's death
I commute to work via train every day. I sometimes watch anime on the commute. I'd be hesitant to watch something like this due to the fan service. Watching anime has a bad enough connotation but this stuff is too much for public consumption.
And it is different now how? I miss 80s anime where all the dudes were genuinely cool, like Kenshiro, JoJo, Cobra, and Guts (Berserk prototype was 1987 I believe). Now I don't really have anything against beishounens, but let them at least act a bit manlier, and give them muscles lol. Stupid Sexy Teacher gets points for doing this.
Oh man hype levels are insane right now. Like I mentioned before, Studio Trigger (in particular people that made TTGL), and Platinum Games complement each other in their respective mediums. Kill la Kill will have a finale-like episode on its third airing, and Platinum Games has a final boss-like battle at the first encounter. I love stuff like this.
Just got done watching the first two episodes. I liked it. I was laughing. I would say the fanservice was almost split down the middle between funny and rolling my eyes bad. I would have said that Mako is the best character so far, but I'm gonna give the slight edge to Satsuki at the moment
