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King of Fighters XIV Roster Discussion thread. Leaked roster in first post
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Tizoc
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Aus and NZ stores huh? Guess it'll go up in a few more hours onto EU PSN, well I can wait while my PS4 finishes downloading Xrd update and Dizzy and then tomorrow I can put a few hours into the demo X3
Otherwise let me know when it is up on HK PSN @o@
ãInaba Residentã
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Slyvie is a definite main now. And KoD is so obviously Tizoc lol. Same voice.
Made a NZ account
Made a NZ account
I NEVER KNEW I LIVED IN NEW ZELAND! FANCY THAT! *ahem* Oh download speeds, be faster, would you?
Note I never said just previous KoF characters. I said "SNK Character catalogue"
Sieger's awesome flame punch here, Magician Lord's projectile shots, A memorable note from Cool Cool Toon, Attack with a boss from Sengoku, do something with that Fighters History license they got for Mizonguchi in MIRA... Just attack me with the entire Neo Geo library in mind, lol.
If SNK becomes some big company that's an eden for JP game development to produce in ways similar to the old days, I'm sure we, and some of the devs, couldn't be happier. Much like Square's "I Am Setsuna" team, I really think there's a demand for projects that embrace those times. Not just for nostalgia, but also because a progression along those lines is in itself refreshing.
It all depends. If you've got models being made for another game that can be purposed by little more than a movement file swap and no textures to be another character, that's a lot of mileage out of something fairly simple. If the boss, say, had their own moves, and a generic samurai warrior, and modern girl model doing moves from various SNK series, as "assist", they together could all pull off a bunch of references, and I think we'd get the idea on what they're hinting at.
I guess I just think it'd be a bit of a waste to take the time to make a character that could potentially tease not only this saga, but the entire future of SNK at the moment, and not do something a bit more complex than "super power singular moveset". Let Nakoruru see a bit of Haoumaru in this, if only for a CVS level Hard slash to exist in the game, lol.
I dunno, Releasing a bunch of entities into the world from the first start IS a good way to totally throw us off on what to expect in the next parts of the saga...
NP! I was kinda hoping something like this would happen ever since last night, lol.
Note I never said just previous KoF characters. I said "SNK Character catalogue"
Sieger's awesome flame punch here, Magician Lord's projectile shots, A memorable note from Cool Cool Toon, Attack with a boss from Sengoku, do something with that Fighters History license they got for Mizonguchi in MIRA... Just attack me with the entire Neo Geo library in mind, lol. If only you could stick it onto your PS4 so it'd already be downloading!
Bomberman rivals my love for KoF! Such disrespect...
If SNK becomes some big company that's an eden for JP game development to produce in ways similar to the old days, I'm sure we, and some of the devs, couldn't be happier. Much like Square's "I Am Setsuna" team, I really think there's a demand for projects that embrace those times. Not just for nostalgia, but also because a progression along those lines is in itself refreshing.
It all depends. If you've got models being made for another game that can be purposed by little more than a movement file swap and no textures to be another character, that's a lot of mileage out of something fairly simple. If the boss, say, had their own moves, and a generic samurai warrior, and modern girl model doing moves from various SNK series, as "assist", they together could all pull off a bunch of references, and I think we'd get the idea on what they're hinting at.
I guess I just think it'd be a bit of a waste to take the time to make a character that could potentially tease not only this saga, but the entire future of SNK at the moment, and not do something a bit more complex than "super power singular moveset". Let Nakoruru see a bit of Haoumaru in this, if only for a CVS level Hard slash to exist in the game, lol.
I dunno, Releasing a bunch of entities into the world from the first start IS a good way to totally throw us off on what to expect in the next parts of the saga...
Sweden
I literally just image copied and address from an envelope
Holy shit this game feels good!!!!
Sylvie EX DM "Paula Experiment" OTGs off a regular sweep.
Her LP Command normal combos off lights, special move cancellable.
LK Command Normal combos off heavies, but isn't special move cancellable.
Can be cancelled into supers when combo'd into, not when done by itself?
Her LP Command normal combos off lights, special move cancellable.
LK Command Normal combos off heavies, but isn't special move cancellable.
Can be cancelled into supers when combo'd into, not when done by itself?
Note I never said just previous KoF characters. I said "SNK Character catalogue"
Now that would be pretty damn awesome.
If only, just made the account while at work so it's not connected to my PS4 yet
The one that looked like an overhead? It's main use will probably be for quick maxing.
If she has a hard knockdown move then that EX DM would be very useful.
Smooth Operator
Member
Is there a KOF discord ? I'd like to check the combos people found
Callin' it: Sylvie and Mui Mui are gonna be Top tier
chaobreaker
Member
I love all these little KoF headcanons you have. Just want to let you know.
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
Sylvie blow back into climax super seems pretty good. You can switch sides, instant overhead, or go low right after. Gonna make a video.
Oh would you look at that, the training mode actually teaches people how to play the game!
Mai can get her command chain (LK, HK) out of Cr. A or a close stand a.
This can all be combo'd into Heavy RyuuEnbu, Heavy Kachousen, or heavy Shinobi Bachi.
You can even do the 3 normals, MAX cancel, and then do them all over again. Talk about a long confirm, lol. And since Mai's Chou Hissatsu Shinobi Bachi and CDM are all air OK, you can do those after Shinobi Bachi with no issue. Talk about feeling versatile and free flowing!
Edit: Hmm, I thought we didnt' have HP Bypass? HDB+MAX activation for Mai (even using the shortcut button of R1) produces an EX Ryuu Enbu.
LoL, thanks, appreciated! (^_^) So much fun with stuff like that.
This can all be combo'd into Heavy RyuuEnbu, Heavy Kachousen, or heavy Shinobi Bachi.
You can even do the 3 normals, MAX cancel, and then do them all over again. Talk about a long confirm, lol. And since Mai's Chou Hissatsu Shinobi Bachi and CDM are all air OK, you can do those after Shinobi Bachi with no issue. Talk about feeling versatile and free flowing!
Edit: Hmm, I thought we didnt' have HP Bypass? HDB+MAX activation for Mai (even using the shortcut button of R1) produces an EX Ryuu Enbu.
LoL, thanks, appreciated! (^_^) So much fun with stuff like that.
Dark_Tzitzimine
Member
For those with the demo, any impressions on KOD?
MAX Bypass also works with Shun'ei. Best for his QCB+P to me, the DP seems to oddly get mixed up with the normal strong one sometimes?
His Far C can chain into itself?
Instant Air Dashes with EX Air Dashes everyone! WE GG NOW! *ahem*
Instant normal Blau Wing stops you in mid air, and then you take on the jump movement after the attack on the weak version. Strong one stops you, and sends you backwards.
Hop and full jump C can be canceled into air dash, but not the wing.
Hop and full jump CD can be cancelled into either. Air CD is easier to cancel into a dash when high up. You can even hit with the CD on the way up, and then air dash out of it to safety. at midscreen, SHINE KNUCKLE OK!
Close C, fwd+b->a.Blau Wing leaves them in a jugglable stage. You can actually land a sweep in the corner, setting up a nice recovery roll trap.
Everything in this game seems pretty... timing generous. The Auto-run after MAX mode gives you a long time to run in and confirm another hit, and Instant air moves feel more like you need to wait for the game to "understand" the jump, rather than doing it as fast as humanly possible.
Thus, I feel like I can properly take a small breath between my inputs, rather than overlapping them at instant speed and possibly mixing them up. This might be a good thing, but it might make some people think it feels sluggish?
Why isn't Leona in this Demo? (TT_TT) On to KOD!
His Far C can chain into itself?
Instant Air Dashes with EX Air Dashes everyone! WE GG NOW! *ahem*
Instant normal Blau Wing stops you in mid air, and then you take on the jump movement after the attack on the weak version. Strong one stops you, and sends you backwards.
Hop and full jump C can be canceled into air dash, but not the wing.
Hop and full jump CD can be cancelled into either. Air CD is easier to cancel into a dash when high up. You can even hit with the CD on the way up, and then air dash out of it to safety. at midscreen, SHINE KNUCKLE OK!
Close C, fwd+b->a.Blau Wing leaves them in a jugglable stage. You can actually land a sweep in the corner, setting up a nice recovery roll trap.
Everything in this game seems pretty... timing generous. The Auto-run after MAX mode gives you a long time to run in and confirm another hit, and Instant air moves feel more like you need to wait for the game to "understand" the jump, rather than doing it as fast as humanly possible.
Thus, I feel like I can properly take a small breath between my inputs, rather than overlapping them at instant speed and possibly mixing them up. This might be a good thing, but it might make some people think it feels sluggish?
Why isn't Leona in this Demo? (TT_TT) On to KOD!
The second hit of qcf+A is otg.
SquirrelSoup
Member
Could you explain this bypass thing? I've seen it mentioned before but don't quite understand. It's an input shortcut of some sort?
TheSpoiler
Member
Just a few low level impressions from a dude who rarely played KOF (and regrets it).
The presentation is a little dull for the menus, but IDGAF. I like simple menus in fighting games because I'm here to fight, not look at a goddamn screen. I'm sure people will complain about that, though.
Music is great. It's decidedly SNK (from what I remember mashing at arcades, anyway). What is it with FGs hitting it out of the park with their OSTs lately? KI, SFV, GG, and now this. So good.
The tutorial feels like it needs a little more.But hey, at least people can actually perform the actions instead of watching a movie.
Content wise, this game is looking stacked. Story, Versus, Training, Gallery, Online, Trial, Time Attack, Survival, and Tutorial. Pretty rad stuff.
I see some of the weird motions are still at play. I'll have to practice coming off SFV's simpler inputs.
Told you this game looks better in person. The way Kyo's hair sways, the backgrounds, the fire effects, etc. Eat my ass.
Pretty much all of the characters are fun as hell. ToD is one I wanna learn, but I don't know if he's good for beginners. Slyvie is SUPER fun, and it's crazy how much I like her after she looked like garbo on her reveal. Kyo and Iori are who they are, but I like Iori's playstyle quite a bit. The new guy has air stuff, and his normals are fun. Mai, I haven't tried yet, but I assume she has some crazy stuff to play around with.
But Nelson. Oh my god Nelson? Who made this character? Most of his moves are normal chains/command normals. I love it!
Loading times could be a little better, but luckily after you start one match, restarting cuts them down a little.
Basically, I can't wait to learn this game, and I'll be buying it twice like I did with SFV (once for digital so I can get it the night of, and the special edition). Can't wait to get bopped!
The presentation is a little dull for the menus, but IDGAF. I like simple menus in fighting games because I'm here to fight, not look at a goddamn screen. I'm sure people will complain about that, though.
Music is great. It's decidedly SNK (from what I remember mashing at arcades, anyway). What is it with FGs hitting it out of the park with their OSTs lately? KI, SFV, GG, and now this. So good.
The tutorial feels like it needs a little more.But hey, at least people can actually perform the actions instead of watching a movie.
Content wise, this game is looking stacked. Story, Versus, Training, Gallery, Online, Trial, Time Attack, Survival, and Tutorial. Pretty rad stuff.
I see some of the weird motions are still at play. I'll have to practice coming off SFV's simpler inputs.
Told you this game looks better in person. The way Kyo's hair sways, the backgrounds, the fire effects, etc. Eat my ass.
Pretty much all of the characters are fun as hell. ToD is one I wanna learn, but I don't know if he's good for beginners. Slyvie is SUPER fun, and it's crazy how much I like her after she looked like garbo on her reveal. Kyo and Iori are who they are, but I like Iori's playstyle quite a bit. The new guy has air stuff, and his normals are fun. Mai, I haven't tried yet, but I assume she has some crazy stuff to play around with.
But Nelson. Oh my god Nelson? Who made this character? Most of his moves are normal chains/command normals. I love it!
Loading times could be a little better, but luckily after you start one match, restarting cuts them down a little.
Basically, I can't wait to learn this game, and I'll be buying it twice like I did with SFV (once for digital so I can get it the night of, and the special edition). Can't wait to get bopped!
Nestled_Grizzly
Member
This is my impressions as well. I have never played KoF before but I'm really enjoying this demo. I'll definitely make this game my first.
Good stuff!
Yup, it lets you bypass the activation stage and go straight into a special (while entering max mode at the same time).
Here's a tutorial: Kuso Introduction to BC / HD Bypass Technique
In XIV it will allow you to do EX moves in combos right after a normal, instead of having to activate and dash up etc. in the middle of a combo first.
lucebuce12
Member
In the same boat as you my friend, this is my first real KoF. Looking forward to getting my hands on the demo later today!!
Assuming I'm not butchering the term myself, You push the MAX command (LK and HP) at the same time while doing a move, and it'll automatically do the move itself in MAX move. You bypass the MAX autorun / activation Pose to go directly into MAX in the move you want to do.
I should correct myself too: If you do the motion with the default MAX buttons, you of course get the normal version of the move. But press it with, say, 2 of the same type + the HD activation, and you'll get an EX move.
No Mid-air MAX activation here, though.
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
Quick video testing out the Sylvia blow back stuff. No idea if any of this is practical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4h6rv3ezY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4h6rv3ezY
sir_bumble_bee
Member
Anyone think this demo deserves its own impressions thread or nah?
Most people will probably miss talk about it if it's just buried in a mega thread.
You weren't kidding on the second hit of that QCF OTGing!
Gaaaaaaaaaah, few more hours...!
Nelson combo if you feel like blowing all your meter.
At first I kinda didn't like him but now that I'm getting the flow for his stuff he's awesome!
At first I kinda didn't like him but now that I'm getting the flow for his stuff he's awesome!
I can't find any cancellable throws or anything for KOD. That OTG from Ankylo seems like this "OOOOO!" ability.
Breaking Ankylo Hammer is also great. Leaves them in a spin from 1st hit on weak version (no comboable frame advantage, just mixup potential), on HP version, cancelling the 2nd hit leaves them in a juggle state, which is useful for corner resets.
Yucatan Punch catches a person jumping after the break? Hit them with a CD, or a CDM.
His LP ZetsuMetsu Hurricane combos from ALMOST the full range of St.LP. Very Goro-Like with that.
Far HP is super cancellable into Dinner of Dinosaurs DM for a combo. Can cancel into throw DM, but he wont grab them, just run at them, hoping to grab them.
Dinner can be used in a juggle to get about 2 hits, then they generally fall out of it. So within those 2 hits is when you want to CDM. Of course, Dinner OD can be Advanced canceled into Super ZetsuMetsu hurricane via advanced cancel, but only works if they're still standing on the ground (it doesn't catch out the air or anything.)
Breaking Ankylo Hammer is also great. Leaves them in a spin from 1st hit on weak version (no comboable frame advantage, just mixup potential), on HP version, cancelling the 2nd hit leaves them in a juggle state, which is useful for corner resets.
Yucatan Punch catches a person jumping after the break? Hit them with a CD, or a CDM.
His LP ZetsuMetsu Hurricane combos from ALMOST the full range of St.LP. Very Goro-Like with that.
Far HP is super cancellable into Dinner of Dinosaurs DM for a combo. Can cancel into throw DM, but he wont grab them, just run at them, hoping to grab them.
Dinner can be used in a juggle to get about 2 hits, then they generally fall out of it. So within those 2 hits is when you want to CDM. Of course, Dinner OD can be Advanced canceled into Super ZetsuMetsu hurricane via advanced cancel, but only works if they're still standing on the ground (it doesn't catch out the air or anything.)
SquirrelSoup
Member
Interesting, thanks. So in neutral, it's looking like you can toss an EX move out instantly while activating max mode by using the bypass? Instead of first activating, then tossing it.
That's a useful thing to know.
dragonzdogma
Member
is the KOF demo like the SFV, as in it disappears after a few days?
Nope, you can only do it after a normal hits on block or on hit, or during the landing frames of a jump.
For example, Kyo is not in max mode. You do standing HP and then input the DP via bypass.
This will make Kyo do standing HP and the DP but you will notice that Kyo will be in max mode while he is doing the DP, even though he wasn't before you hit the standing HP.
Add in another punch button into your bypass DP input and he will do an instant EX DP instead after the HP.
So you can do HP>EX DP instead of HP>activate>dash>normal or EX DP.
It shouldn't be. SFV wasn't a demo, it was a beta test, mostly for netcode. This is a demo made to present the game to prospective buyers, people on the fence, etc. It should stay up.
SquirrelSoup
Member
Ahh, i see. Merci.
Dark_Tzitzimine
Member
That sounds interesting. KOD seems to be really fun to play once you get the hang of him.
And someone has found a 100% combo with Shu'nei.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdS7xqHVh6A
OmegaDL50
Member
So there is standard training stage now for KOF XIV.
I kind of hope you can also do a stage select like in the older KOF's like '98 for training mode so I can check out all of the backgrounds rather than being stuck on the drab generic training stage that is present in some of the new fighting games as of late.
I kind of hope you can also do a stage select like in the older KOF's like '98 for training mode so I can check out all of the backgrounds rather than being stuck on the drab generic training stage that is present in some of the new fighting games as of late.
Ok, Nelson.
First off, he can chain basically 4 of any light normals into each other, from close up. So go from high to lows, it all works nicely.
His basic command normals work like a normal KOF character. So you can cancel them into his special dodge or his command throw easily.
Once you start getting into his special command normals, though, you're restricted on canceling only into more of those command normals.
A weird bonus is also that you can cancel his overhead into his special moves... and to other LK command normals. His d.LK chain normal can also be empty canceled (like say if you've uppercut the opponent, and the d.LK whiffs) into another higher-series normal, for timing purposes (like to get the full 2 punches onRadion[.strike] f.HP
This man is swag.
Midscreen double juggle because LOOKS COOL:
b.lp, b.lk, f.hk, b.lk f.hk, (DM / f.HP / normal for Reset / CDM, whatever)
First off, he can chain basically 4 of any light normals into each other, from close up. So go from high to lows, it all works nicely.
His basic command normals work like a normal KOF character. So you can cancel them into his special dodge or his command throw easily.
Once you start getting into his special command normals, though, you're restricted on canceling only into more of those command normals.
A weird bonus is also that you can cancel his overhead into his special moves... and to other LK command normals. His d.LK chain normal can also be empty canceled (like say if you've uppercut the opponent, and the d.LK whiffs) into another higher-series normal, for timing purposes (like to get the full 2 punches on
This man is swag.
Midscreen double juggle because LOOKS COOL:
b.lp, b.lk, f.hk, b.lk f.hk, (DM / f.HP / normal for Reset / CDM, whatever)
^Thanks!
I'm really looking forward to trying him.
You can, training mode doesn't force you to use the training stage.
I'm really looking forward to trying him.
You can, training mode doesn't force you to use the training stage.
OmegaDL50
Member
Awesome, really glad about this.
I never understood why it was a thing about being locked in to the training only stage in some fighting games. I didn't understand why that was even a thing.
For now...
It'll be released in your time zone eventually.
I'm from East Coast US, so I probably won't be able to get it until 1PM to 2PM tomorrow.
I just don't want to go through the hassle of opening a different region PSN account when I'll never use it beyond the demo.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Most optimised Kyo combo.
https://youtu.be/u9BD74UrxKM
That damage. On twitch anyone wants to ask questions
Www.twitch.tv/bumblebeecody
https://youtu.be/u9BD74UrxKM
That damage. On twitch anyone wants to ask questions
Www.twitch.tv/bumblebeecody
Of course Nelson's Hop B is a 2 hitter that allows you to land basically any light normal afterwards with slightly lazy timing (hitting a bit early) or a heavy one if hit later (proper timing)
Are you sure he's not the new main hero? XD
Only thing I dont' like is that I wish you could cancel the recovery of his command throw into DMs, but... it's not like it really matters. If he wants to land DMs, he basically does it off floats, or KOF-regular style combos. If he wants to just beat you normal style, he can go into his own chains.
I like that you can whiff cancel he entire chain series. So you can throw out a chain lvl 1,2,and then do the lvl 3 special dash / backhop movements. Since the chain dash is the only one that goes through opponents (his command dash, lp,hp, or EX, do not), it might actually be useful.
Are you sure he's not the new main hero? XD
Only thing I dont' like is that I wish you could cancel the recovery of his command throw into DMs, but... it's not like it really matters. If he wants to land DMs, he basically does it off floats, or KOF-regular style combos. If he wants to just beat you normal style, he can go into his own chains.
I like that you can whiff cancel he entire chain series. So you can throw out a chain lvl 1,2,and then do the lvl 3 special dash / backhop movements. Since the chain dash is the only one that goes through opponents (his command dash, lp,hp, or EX, do not), it might actually be useful.
Kyo notes:
qcf (x2)+P has start invincibility against flying projectiles: https://www.facebook.com/Amedo310/videos/vb.680907077/10153729745482078/?type=2&theater
Kyo is flying projectile invincible while charging Orochinagi: https://www.facebook.com/Amedo310/videos/vb.680907077/10153729746422078/?type=2&theater
Going to test against ground fireballs now.
qcf (x2)+P has start invincibility against flying projectiles: https://www.facebook.com/Amedo310/videos/vb.680907077/10153729745482078/?type=2&theater
Kyo is flying projectile invincible while charging Orochinagi: https://www.facebook.com/Amedo310/videos/vb.680907077/10153729746422078/?type=2&theater
Going to test against ground fireballs now.