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Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 rolls out new forum rules to curb toxic behavior, which immediately sparks toxic behavior

moniker

Member
Anyone who thinks Vavra is suddenly going to put woke gay porn sex scenes in his game is a moron. I wouldn't be surprised if there are gay characters in the game (just like in the in first one, which nobody calls woke), and if there is it will most likely be handled in a way that is fitting both for the story and time period.
 

Venom Snake

Gold Member
The whole anti-woke movement is slowly deevolving from a voice of reason into retarded gibberish.

Is this how it was supposed to look like, canceling games based on rumors and a few pieces of information taken out of context?

Not to mention the idiotic YouTubers who position themselves as oracles of morality, repeating this nonsense and making it propagate through communities for their own financial gains.

I wouldn't want to be a community manager in an environment where one idiotic ideology is replaced by another, with millions of dollars at stake.

It doesn't help our case, at all.
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
man, i dont know how this game isnt mainstream yet, its way better than Skyrim imo and Hans is one of the best bros of video game history, KCD is insanely good, if wasn't for MHWi i would be buying it day one

No idea how the sequel will pan out, but the first game was definitely not an easily accessible kind of pick-up-and-play game like Skyrim was, lots of euro-jank and game play mechanics. Not hard to see why it didn't receive that kind of popularity.
 

Gonzito

Gold Member
The whole anti-woke movement is slowly deevolving from a voice of reason into retarded gibberish.

Is this how it was supposed to look like, canceling games based on rumors and a few pieces of information taken out of context?

Not to mention the idiotic YouTubers who position themselves as moral oracles, repeating this nonsense and making it propagate through communities for their own financial gains.

I wouldn't want to be a community manager in an environment where one idiotic ideology is replaced by another, with millions of dollars at stake.

It doesn't help our case, at all.

Yeah its getting stupid. And I am the first one who will always call out wokism, it has done so much damage to my beloved videogames, but I think it's taking a direction that it's too extreme.

I dont care if we have gay characters, or the colour of the skin. I just dont want forced propaganda bullshit disguised as a videogame

And to think that Daniel Vavra would do this it's just stupid man, like he is so anti woke, why would he turn against his own morals and include DEI?

I feel like there is some sort of conspiracy to sabotage this game and the leftists are using the Saudi Arabia situation to create chaos and try to boicot the game
 
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And to think that Daniel Vavra would do it's just stupid man, like he is so anti woke, why would he turn against and include DEI?

I hope this is the truth, 100%!

I feel like there is some sort of conspiracy to sabotage this game and the leftists are using the Saudi Arabia situation to create chaos and boicot the game
Absolutely, entirely possible. We will see really soon! Truth will prevail in the end.
 

Lokaum D+

Member
No idea how the sequel will pan out, but the first game was definitely not an easily accessible kind of pick-up-and-play game like Skyrim was, lots of euro-jank and game play mechanics. Not hard to see why it didn't receive that kind of popularity.
tbh the only system that is "hard" to get it is the combat, other than that, everything is pretty much video gaming as it get, what do u mean by "euro-jank" ?
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
tbh the only system that is "hard" to get it is the combat, other than that, everything is pretty much video gaming as it get, what do u mean by "euro-jank" ?

Combat hell you can add most general controls to this, lockpicking mechanic is so bad even with the option to supposedly make it easier, looks fucking awful on console etc etc.

There's fun euro-jank, playing the first game wasn't it in my experience.
 
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Lokaum D+

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Combat hell you can add most general controls to this, lockpicking mechanic is so bad even with the option to supposedly make it easier, looks fucking awful on console etc etc.

There's fun euro-jank, playing the first game wasn't it in my experience.
playing on PC lockpicking is a simple mechanic, combat once u learn Master Strike ( parry/counter) on Rattay, become easy and fun and bow aiming is a nightmare, i ll give u that, is unnecessary hard.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
man, i dont know how this game isnt mainstream yet, its way better than Skyrim imo and Hans is one of the best bros of video game history, KCD is insanely good, if wasn't for MHWi i would be buying it day one
Hard to get into and starts slowly with a lot of limitations. Many interlocking gameplay systems that can get overbearing quickly too.

And of course, no magic.
 

Lokaum D+

Member
Hard to get into and starts slowly with a lot of limitations. Many interlocking gameplay systems that can get overbearing quickly too.

And of course, no magic.
Hard to get into and starts slowly with a lot of limitations
agree, but once u get ur horse and the game opens up for u to do whatever u want game became fun as hell ( if u dont get too distract in 3 hours you ll be hunting with Hans for the first time )

Many interlocking gameplay systems that can get overbearing quickly too.
can u give examples ?

no magic
that is a plus for me :)

i agree that this game is not easy at the start, but the world build, characters and story bits helps a lot and my experience was even worst than the average person playing this, cause i made the mistake of doing Theresa DLC right at the beginning without knowing that would take at least 4 hours on the start of the game :(
 
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Raven117

Member
Yeah its getting stupid. And I am the first one who will always call out wokism, it has done so much damage to my beloved videogames, but I think it's taking a direction that it's too extreme.

I dont care if we have gay characters, or the colour of the skin. I just dont want forced propaganda bullshit disguised as a videogame

And to think that Daniel Vavra would do this it's just stupid man, like he is so anti woke, why would he turn against his own morals and include DEI?

I feel like there is some sort of conspiracy to sabotage this game and the leftists are using the Saudi Arabia situation to create chaos and try to boicot the game
Yeah. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Being “anti-woke” is one thing. Just being a racist uninclusive bigot masquerading as “anti-woke” is another
 

Omega.X

Neo Member
Yeah its getting stupid. And I am the first one who will always call out wokism, it has done so much damage to my beloved videogames, but I think it's taking a direction that it's too extreme.

I dont care if we have gay characters, or the colour of the skin. I just dont want forced propaganda bullshit disguised as a videogame

And to think that Daniel Vavra would do this it's just stupid man, like he is so anti woke, why would he turn against his own morals and include DEI?

I feel like there is some sort of conspiracy to sabotage this game and the leftists are using the Saudi Arabia situation to create chaos and try to boicot the game
At the end of the day it won't matter. If the game is good it will still be a top seller. The people that really care will mod these issues away.
 
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So IDK if people have seen it. Varva confirmed a few things on twitter today.



- Gay Romance is in the game
- Mansa Musa is also in the game, so the leaks from a while back were legit.

Going to check this now - but lol to all the people talking about how it's an Assassin's Creed model pasted into a screenshot.

Edit: Honestly sounds fine to me. No idea why he wouldn't just clarify this right away. The only thing I don't really like is that I didn't get the vibe from Henry in the first game that he wasn't straight... at all. I think "role playing" is a bit of a cop out, but maybe there's a reason beyond that worth exploring.
 
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Trilobit

Member
Wokeness is basically confirmed in this game. I can deal with a certain amount of wokeness, but too much and I bail. I feel like having a 15th century moor bragging about how they treat women better isn't natural. It feels like something a woke employee would like to have included in the dialogue. Or even something Warhorse's parent companies would want inserted for better ESG rating.
 

LRKD

Member
fans: "we are concerned about X"

devs: "only Nazi's are concerned about X, anyone who talks about X is now a toxic nazi and banned"

fans: "We are now even more concerned about X, since you are making a big deal out of it"

devs: "OMG TOXIC NAZIS ATTACKING USS REEEEE"


yeah obviously some trolling happening, but it's also obvious that they are just lumping all concerns under the nazi banner to try and downplay real concerns and criticism. And this isn't the first time we have seen devs try this kind of trick either.
 

Lokaum D+

Member


Yes, you can decide Henry is gay suddenly in this game. That's the only thing so far, as I understand it, that rubs me the wrong way. While yes, it's a role playing game and you are in control of Henry, that seems opposite of what I understood from the character in the first game. Completely.

Now that i read the tweet i m ok with It, he can try same sex, but he ll burn in hell If he does since is a sin like is KCD1, i ll allow It.

As long as having gay sex in the game has effects on how ppl see you i m fine, KCD2 may be the first game um open discrimination against gay pll, since this kind of thing wasnt tolerated at that time and WH really likes to make you fell like you are in the1400.
 
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Trilobit

Member
fans: "we are concerned about X"

devs: "only Nazi's are concerned about X, anyone who talks about X is now a toxic nazi and banned"

fans: "We are now even more concerned about X, since you are making a big deal out of it"

devs: "OMG TOXIC NAZIS ATTACKING USS REEEEE"


yeah obviously some trolling happening, but it's also obvious that they are just lumping all concerns under the nazi banner to try and downplay real concerns and criticism. And this isn't the first time we have seen devs try this kind of trick either.

Vavra's recent response basically boiled down to: "Okay, you got us. The game has some woke elements, but we totally wanted to insert those and it has nothing to do with Warhorse nowadays being owned by Plaion and Embracer Group. And it really has nothing to do with Embracer Group having official ESG goals. Trust us, we wanted to have a feminist moor in the game. It makes total sense and was incredibly vital to the story, trust us, bros!"
 

kevboard

Member
fans: "we are concerned about X"

devs: "only Nazi's are concerned about X, anyone who talks about X is now a toxic nazi and banned"

fans: "We are now even more concerned about X, since you are making a big deal out of it"

devs: "OMG TOXIC NAZIS ATTACKING USS REEEEE"


yeah obviously some trolling happening, but it's also obvious that they are just lumping all concerns under the nazi banner to try and downplay real concerns and criticism. And this isn't the first time we have seen devs try this kind of trick either.


all the concerns I've seen being brought up were indeed shit only nazis or retards would bring up.
when even the right wing grifters on twitter tell you to chill, like, that's a massive warning sign.

so maybe those bad voices overshadowed real concerns 🤷
I at least haven't seen a single good one being brought up... other than the fact that the first game was trash and I'm confused why this is getting so hyped up tbh.
 
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Now that i read the tweet i m ok with It, he can try same sex, but he ll burn in hell If he does since is a sin like is KCD1, i ll allow It.

As long as having gay sex in the game has effects on how ppl see you i m fine, KCD2 may be the first game um open discrimination against gay pll, since this kind of thing wasnt tolerated at that time.
Me too, mostly. It's still weird they took a fixed character who was heterosexual and offered homosexual interactions. Why didn't they do that in KCD then if that's the "creative vision"? Just odd. Henry isn't malleable - he's Henry. Or he was.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?


Yes, you can decide Henry is gay suddenly in this game. That's the only thing so far, as I understand it, that rubs me the wrong way. While yes, it's a role playing game and you are in control of Henry, that seems opposite of what I understood from the character in the first game. Completely.



I didn't play the first game enough to get that far, but I'm assuming this is a new thing that you can romance the same sex, and it wasn't in the first game, going by that tone. ?
 

Lokaum D+

Member
Me too, mostly. It's still weird they took a fixed character who was heterosexual and offered homosexual interactions. Why didn't they do that in KCD then if that's the "creative vision"? Just odd. Henry isn't malleable - he's Henry. Or he was.
l ll say that some ppl has real curiosity about same sex in the real world, i have no problem with this since its not forced upon us.

Like i said, as long this choice has effect on how the world sees you, i have no problem, would be fun to see NPCs reacts negatively to you cause you are a gay.

Vavra already said, gay ppl in KCD isnt new, but now that the game is getting more "mainstream" it became a problem

 
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l ll say that some ppl has real curiosity about same sex in the real world, i have no problem with this since its not forced upon us.

Like i said, as long this choice has effect on how the world sees you, i have no problem, would be fun to see NPCs reacts negatively to you cause you are a gay.

Vavra already said, gay ppl in KCD isnt new, but now that the game is getting more "mainstream" it became a problem



I get that, I do. Like I said - I don't mind this in Mass Effect, for example. I just don't like that it's a "new change". If this had been an option in KCD, totally fine. It just seems a little odd to decide it's important to introduce it in the sequel.
 

Trilobit

Member
all the concerns I've seen being brought up were indeed shit only nazis or retards would bring up.
when even the right wing grifters on twitter tell you to chill, like, that's a massive warning sign.

so maybe those bad voices overshadowed real concerns 🤷
I at least haven't seen a single good one being brought up... other than the fact that the first game was trash and I'm confused why this is getting so hyped up tbh.

It must be very mentally relaxing to live in your black and white world.

I've heard MAJOR story leaks have hit the scene.

The "CHUDS" are hell bent on ruining the experience of this game.

I going full blackout, until I've played and am satisfied with the game, myself.

Have fun out there, Gaf.

I'm going to send you a postcard filled with story leaks. You can run, but you can't hide!
 

Buggy Loop

Gold Member
So you have to select something gay to see something gay

Who the fuck cares, just don't select it. This isn't anything new in RPGs.

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In fact, knowing Warhorse studio, watch the fuck out if you do that in medieval times, they aren't fucking around with AI and laws in KCD 2. They could very well include this into the mechanics of being caught and branded by iron and if caught again that's it, the two toot toot skeletons appear and you are dead after execution.
 

Lokaum D+

Member
I get that, I do. Like I said - I don't mind this in Mass Effect, for example. I just don't like that it's a "new change". If this had been an option in KCD, totally fine. It just seems a little odd to decide it's important to introduce it in the sequel.
tbh i m surprised that Hans wasn't a romance option in the first game, i get you, but at the end i m sure that ll be a awesome experience even if u like to sheathe someone else sword.
 
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