The Chairman
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So they turned Henry gay in the second game while he was straight in the first game?
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Firestartah
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The guy is trying to gaslight us, it is gaslight 101. Yes in the first game some1 was gay but it was an npc, actually the villain. How is letting Henry get into gay action the same thing like in the first game. Why did they even feel the need to put this in. Such bs lol.
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DownLikeBCPowder
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Welp, we're in the big city now. Henry has become exposed to many more things, so therefore now his eyes have been opened. It's like going off to college.
Elpidio Valdés
Member
Let me start by saying that I have no problem with gay characters in video games. Baldur's Gate 3 is one of my favorite games of all time and all the companions are bisexual.
That being said, Vavra turning Henry gay is not a move I saw coming. Henry was 100% straight in the first game, there was zero indication that he was bisexual. This is like Geralt showing up in The Witcher 4 with purple hair introducing Ciri to stepdaddy Dandelion. Like WTF. Henry as Geralt were/are set characters that you can play around with but they are there own person.
I'm really confused as to why Vavra would do this. I'll still get the game, I don't have to choose the gay option but I don't like when creators change a characters sexuality for no reason.
That being said, Vavra turning Henry gay is not a move I saw coming. Henry was 100% straight in the first game, there was zero indication that he was bisexual. This is like Geralt showing up in The Witcher 4 with purple hair introducing Ciri to stepdaddy Dandelion. Like WTF. Henry as Geralt were/are set characters that you can play around with but they are there own person.
I'm really confused as to why Vavra would do this. I'll still get the game, I don't have to choose the gay option but I don't like when creators change a characters sexuality for no reason.
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MrTroubleMaker
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it is ..
The Chairman
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In the third game Henry will have the option to be trans. what? it's an option, why are you boycotting the game chud? lmao
pudel
Member
You have now the option to make him "bi" if you want...thats what I read there.
But have to agree. Even putting this option in is dumb as fck and completely unnecessary. Just stick to yr character which you created and everybody liked in the first game. Why is that so hard?
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Medical technology in medieval times had no chance to turn someone trans
You could always put a dick in a bum, since forever, at various degrees of risk depending on the time periods.
You have to remember the first game came out in not great shape. This was a small studio attempting a very unique experience.
There were bigger issues to look at than giving romance options. I think there's only 1 romance option in the first game but maybe I missed something.
kevboard
Member
I mean... provide any sensible concerns then? I haven't seen them, that's all I'm saying.
all I saw was fucking retarded
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
There are more than one.
I sincerely doubt "homosexual relations" were desired but cut due to budget concerns.
Henry isn’t a blank slate RPG protagonist. He’s more like Geralt. So to suddenly be able to change his sexuality in the sequel based on player choice doesn’t seem like it’s a natural route to take things.
Also, a lot of players identified with Henry and saw him as a rare traditionally masculine character in a sea of modern writing. Now you’ll probably see endless gifs of him getting reamed whenever the game comes up in online discourse. Ah well!
Also, a lot of players identified with Henry and saw him as a rare traditionally masculine character in a sea of modern writing. Now you’ll probably see endless gifs of him getting reamed whenever the game comes up in online discourse. Ah well!
DownLikeBCPowder
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Ridicululzz
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The big city...it changes people.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why though? He said it's "exactly what I wanted it to be".
Could it be a case where he wanted it to be in the first game too but time or development issues might have prevented implementing it?
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Could be...
Could also be that they are owned by a large, DEI company now. But who can say?
Let's also examine it like this. He said this after the release of the first game:
Now he says this:
Now, full disclosure. I agree with this newer take - that it is possible and not unreasonable. But why not examine the entire picture? I think there's really only one conclusion to be drawn. But that's just me.
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Wolves hunt in packs
Gold Member
Yeah totally lame reason.. "the big city", what a nonsense, if you're straight, like Henry in the first game.. then no reason in the world will make you want to bone a dude, don't like it, a shame changing a character like that.
So play the game that way I don't understand the issue...? Everyone is going to play the game differently
Trilobit
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As I see it you either think harder so that you can understand the issue, or maybe it's not just an issue to you that they completely changed the character.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Causing a diplomatic incident! That sounds cool.Just pull yr sword and show this mali guy what you think about his blatant lies!
Wolves hunt in packs
Gold Member
I will, but i can't understand the chance, why?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Gerald of the River is a famous gay character and the cousin of Geralt. Wouldn’t be weird at all.
Did you mean change? I don't see how anything has changed.
Not having a gay option in the first game doesn't mean he can't be. I'm guessing if they had more time and budget for the first game they would have had the option there. As long as there's correct historical consequence for it I don't see the issue.
coachmcguirk91
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Just for the lolz, I need this to be a thing. I'm sorry, but it is very funny how the anti-woke crowd, and especially grifting influencers, championed KCD2 as the game they could shove in the face of DEI nutjobs. Only to find out you can make Henry gay. Talk about getting the rug pulled beneath you. Too funny
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DownLikeBCPowder
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Eh. The game I played, in mandatory sequences, gave me the impression he was heterosexual. Yes, there were further optional sequences to confirm or seek that out further.. but that's what's odd about it, IMO. I agree about the latter point, but it's all kind of odd and coincidental with the other factors.
Yeah I agree, canonically he would be straight. The opening couple scenes indicates this pretty clearly. It's an rpg though so I don't see an issue with having options.
DownLikeBCPowder
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You don't find any dissonance there? I do agree, generally. It just doesn't fit with what came before, for me anyway. Not a dealbreaker for me, personally.
Lokaum D+
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They turned no one gay, is a player choice, as long as you are straight Henry ll be too, they are forcing nothing upon the player.So they turned Henry gay in the second game while he was straight in the first game?
and WH Studios may even put discrimination towards gay players, since in the 1400 beeing gay was considered an abomination and WH Studios like to keep npc interactions real, ffs i cant even walk dirty in the first game that ppl talk about It, imagine beeing gay.
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It's kinda similar to mass effect, I don't think male Shep could romance another guy until the third game, and would feel a bit weird. But overall it doesn't change the game really, because I'm not going to play it that way.
If they didn't include it I wouldn't care... the potential consequences for it could be interesting in game though! Punishment, how you're treated, that sort of thing.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Why are some people saying they turned Henry gay?
I have played hundreds of hours Mass Effect and my Shepard was never gay even tho I had the option to choose so.
I don't see this as woke or a downside, but the opposite. This is a roleplay game and they are giving you options to do whatever the hell you want to be with consequences in the game's world
One thing is to fight against DEI which I am all for it, but making a drama out of this is frankly stupid because in the first game you can make your Henry be a psychopath, murderer, a thief and a lier if you wanted to. All these actions are considered sin as well, so why would practicing homosexuality be any different within the context of this time period?
Having options in these types of games is great so I agree with the studio on this one
Another thing would be forcing this on the player without being able to choose it, in that case then. i would be totally against it and mad at the situation
I have played hundreds of hours Mass Effect and my Shepard was never gay even tho I had the option to choose so.
I don't see this as woke or a downside, but the opposite. This is a roleplay game and they are giving you options to do whatever the hell you want to be with consequences in the game's world
One thing is to fight against DEI which I am all for it, but making a drama out of this is frankly stupid because in the first game you can make your Henry be a psychopath, murderer, a thief and a lier if you wanted to. All these actions are considered sin as well, so why would practicing homosexuality be any different within the context of this time period?
Having options in these types of games is great so I agree with the studio on this one
Another thing would be forcing this on the player without being able to choose it, in that case then. i would be totally against it and mad at the situation
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DaciaJC
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Keep your perverted fetishes to yourself next time.
The critical difference between these examples is Shepard in the Mass Effect series (correct me if I’m wrong, I only played 2 and 3) always had the option of pursuing a gay romance since the start, whereas Henry in KCD1 was strictly heterosexual, so suddenly making that a player choice in the sequel seems … questionable.
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Senua
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The us vs them mentality leaves no room for nuance
Maybe fem Shep but not male I don't think, not in ME1. Not sure ME2 allowed it either.
Barakov
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Gameplay Gods Bless
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Thanks for explaining it.
Gonzito
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Denton
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Eh, Vávra left his previous studio when management forced him to do things he didn't want to do. He is a dollar multimillionaire now who could chill on the beach with his wife and three kids if he wanted to, instead he is working his ass off for 7 years to make some of the most ambitious games on the planet. If you think he would do that when being forced to do stuff he doesn't want to do, you don't know him. Which is fair, since he is Czech and you haven't read the thousands of articles and seen hundreds of interviews he has done over the last 20 years. But I can guarantee that anything that is in the game is there because he either put it there, or agreed with his fellow designers was interesting for it to be there.
James Sawyer Ford
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xrnzaaas
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Changing Henry's sexuality is disappointing, but not that surprising considering what kind of a publisher they got after releasing KCD1. It's still sad Vavra signed off on all of this and decided to hide it. If it wasn't for the Arabs we probably wouldn't find out until release.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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Yea I agree all speech in decent company is woke. Just look at university safe spaces.
Denton
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It would be changing Henry's sexuality if you had to become gay. But you don't. It is up to you.
In real life, there are plenty of people who discover they are bisexual or even gay later in life.
Now, personally I agree that the safer option that would not result in backlash would be to not provide the option. But Vávra likes pissing against the wind and doing the unsafe things, it is what it is. He thought it would be interesting to explore this topic in a medieval setting, and so the option is there.
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Life Diff
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Are people dense? He clearly says it’s a role playing game and as such you can choose what you do and don’t do. Aka if you want to be gay you can.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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Did this game get cancelled?
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Can you chose to be racist? How many slurs does Henry have the option of yelling out? Can Henry be trans? I mean it's a role playing game and if you wanna role play as a trans Henry why won't the game let you? Are there pronouns as an option in the game? Why not? Why can't I roleplay as a Xir?
Seems to me there are select things they explicitly chose to allow you to roleplay as and many things they chose to not allow. I wonder what their selection process was.
Thyuda
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At this point I'm convinced some people just need to be constantly outraged to at least feel something in their lives.
If Henry is not forced to have a gay romance, it's not the devs who "made Henry gay", it's the player who does, by their choice. So if Henry is gay in KCD, it's because of... you.
If Henry is not forced to have a gay romance, it's not the devs who "made Henry gay", it's the player who does, by their choice. So if Henry is gay in KCD, it's because of... you.