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[Horseganador]

It depends on the game, in some it has been seen closer to Series S in dock mode and in others to a base PS4.

 

[Liopleurodon]

As someone who spent most of my gaming life on Playstation, and finished very few Nintendo titles, IMO, Zelda: BotW at 60fps on Switch 2 looks far more visually pleasant than 95% of stuff I've seen on PS4, and even PS5.

 

[Fake]

Is stronger or not doesn't make much difference to me, it doesn't change the fact its HUGE improvement over original Switch which what I was hoping for.

Only fanboys get triggred by that. For me, being like 10x better than the original Nintendo Switch is already a win.

I gonna get NS2 soon or later anw.

 

[Esppiral]

I mean... Street Fighter 6 uses PS4 settings and has the same 30fps lock in World Tour fights as PS4.
Series S is full 60fps and uses slightly higher settings.
Series S 1080p 60fps in WT Fights / Switch 2 720p 30fps in WT fights

Fortnite uses Lumen GI on Series S as well as Nanite. on Switch 2, no nanite no Lumen GI.

Hogwarts used 99% PS4 assets with slight modifications here and there, and has the same amount of load screens as PS4.

Cyberpunk runs lower res and half the framerate as Series S... half Series S performance is a bit above what you'd expect from a PS4...
Series S 800p~1080p 60fps / Switch 2 dynamic 720p 30fps and lower settings.

Go somewhere else with your facts, we want to believe the Switch 2 is a beast here.

 

[Kataploom]

Koei Tecmo: 'Switch 2 Is Closer to the Series S Than PS4' - yes in docked mode. The challenge for devs is how Switch 2 to not drain the batteries in 10 min.
So I expect a big differences between docked and handled modes. And that is costly - so less support for Switch 2 from big devs.

Like if this was a phone or handheld PC lol. The thing is designed for that, that's why it's not boosting full CPU/GPU clocks

 

[Kerotan]

Not exactly something to be proud of. The series S is a pathetic piece of hardware that should have never existed.

 

[Karim]

As someone who spent most of my gaming life on Playstation, and finished very few Nintendo titles, IMO, Zelda: BotW at 60fps on Switch 2 looks far more visually pleasant than 95% of stuff I've seen on PS4, and even PS5.

 

[LordOcidax]

Go somewhere else with your facts, we want to believe the Switch 2 is a beast here.

The Switch 2 is exactly what people with brain expected here…

 

[RoadHazard]

In pure GPU power it definitely isn't. But it's closer to an XSS than a PS4 in other ways.

 

[Kataploom]

Internal rendering resolution doesn't matter much when the output IQ outclasses the native res by a good margin.

Most PS4 games are not maintaining at the target resolution. CP2077 PS4 dropped to 720p in most of cases.

We are in the era of post processing/Machine upscaler and DLSS is sitting at the top of the hierarchy. DLSS version that Switch 2 is currently using by far producing much better visual clarity than PS4 version in all games.

Switch 2 DLSS low internal rendering resolution >> PS4 blurry native resolution.

There are many visual comparisons available on YouTube where Switch 2 version of games producing much better visual IQ than PS4 pro. PS4 is in another league below Switch 2.

Not too mention that every new gen isn't just raw power increases but also efficiency increases, mesh shader, direct GPU data I/O, VRS, etc. All of this is just efficiency tools to allow the consoles to punch above their weights, the fact that Switch 2 just have the biggest efficiency gain and the lowest quality loss (or arguably a quality gain) doesn't invalidate it using DLSS, PS4 Pro had CBR and current consoles can use FSR 2 and above.

Last gen consoles could also but they preferred not to because they don't have the minimum raw performance to make it worthy.

I mean, imagine if people downplay Doom or RDR2 performance because they can use Vulkan instead of brute forcing DX11 or DX12, or if people tried to downplay virtualized geometry as cheating instead of championing infinite handmade LOP meshes. LOL.

 

[dgrdsv]

I have great doubt honestly.

No reason to doubt. The h/w can run the very same engines without any changes. The detail levels will have to be changed obviously and some parts of the pipeline may need to be cut - but this is way less hard than writing a new rendering engine which would be the case for porting anything to PS4 like h/w.

 

[jm89]

Koei Tecmo: 'Switch 2 Is Closer to the Series S Than PS4'

 

[Karim]

No reason to doubt. The h/w can run the very same engines without any changes. The detail levels will have to be changed obviously and some parts of the pipeline may need to be cut - but this is way less hard than writing a new rendering engine which would be the case for porting anything to PS4 like h/w.

I mean...I'm referring exactly to the cuts.

 

[GymWolf]

 

[dgrdsv]

I mean...I'm referring exactly to the cuts.

It's not something which is much harder than lowering the settings through config files.
Sw2's bigger issue could be the next gen of home consoles.

 

[Karim]

It's not something which is much harder than lowering the settings through config files.
Sw2's bigger issue could be the next gen of home consoles.

I don't said was harder, I meant cuts will be important.

 

[RoboFu]

I mean... Street Fighter 6 uses PS4 settings and has the same 30fps lock in World Tour fights as PS4.
Series S is full 60fps and uses slightly higher settings.
Series S 1080p 60fps in WT Fights / Switch 2 720p 30fps in WT fights

Fortnite uses Lumen GI on Series S as well as Nanite. on Switch 2, no nanite no Lumen GI.

Hogwarts used 99% PS4 assets with slight modifications here and there, and has the same amount of load screens as PS4.

Cyberpunk runs lower res and half the framerate as Series S... half Series S performance is a bit above what you'd expect from a PS4...
Series S 800p~1080p 60fps / Switch 2 dynamic 720p 30fps and lower settings.

So how does that negate the statement of the switch to being CLOSER to a series s than a ps4? They didn't say the same or better...

 

[Karim]

So how does that negate the statement of the switch to being CLOSER to a series s than a ps4? They didn't say the same or better...

Did you read what you quote? Reading the post seems quite the opposite of what the thread argue.

 

[Ar¢tos]

The big question is : will the next Pokemon game on the Switch 2 be closer to PS3 graphics instead of the usual PS2 graphics?

 

[GoldenEye98]

Objectively not true for handheld mode.

 

[MisterXDTV]

So basically Xbox One X / PS4 Pro Level?

 

[RoadHazard]

No reason to doubt. The h/w can run the very same engines without any changes. The detail levels will have to be changed obviously and some parts of the pipeline may need to be cut - but this is way less hard than writing a new rendering engine which would be the case for porting anything to PS4 like h/w.

Devs don't write separate "rendering engines" for PS4 vs PS5 versions of games, lol.

 

[Mr Hyde]

"Switch 2 being a PS4"-narrative is tiresome.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

So basically Xbox One X / PS4 Pro Level?

Seems pretty clear it outperforms the PS4 pro, so it might be up there with the one x.

 

[Baemono]

The big question is : will the next Pokemon game on the Switch 2 be closer to PS3 graphics instead of the usual PS2 graphics?

Well Pokémon Z-A already looks like a remastered PS2 game, so there is that

 

[Hudo]

Didn't know that Koei Tecmo were Gaffers

 

[MicTyson]

Lol… The Switch 2 isn't close to the Series S.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Lol… The Switch 2 isn't close to the Series S.

It's not about praising Switch 2, it's about trying to drag Series S (again).

 

[Ar¢tos]

Well Pokémon Z-A already looks like a remastered PS2 game, so there is that

Those floor textures... (or lack of them)

 

[Kumomeme]

some give me DBZ power level scaling comparison

 

[Karim]

"Switch 2 being a PS4"-narrative is tiresome.

Elaborate please. In terms of raw power it's likely but with moderm graphic features.

 

[Baemono]

some give me DBZ power level scaling comparison

Xbox Series X: Cell after he returns from heaven, but still killed by Gohan
PS5: Gohan SSJ2
Series S: Trunks when he gets all beefed up but lacks speed
Xbox One X: Vegeta after going in the time and space chamber for the first time
Switch 2: Cell after absorbing C-17
PS4 Pro: Piccolo after fusion with Kami
PS4: C-17
Xbox One: C-18
Switch 1: Yamcha

 

[Mr Hyde]

Elaborate please. In terms of raw power it's likely but with moderm graphic features.

Not much to elaborate on. The narrative that the Switch 2 is of PS4 level power is tiresome. You have it straight from the devs on Koei Tecmo here saying it's closer to Series S.

 

[Karim]

Not much to elaborate on. The narrative that the Switch 2 is of PS4 level power is tiresome. You have it straight from the devs on Koei Tecmo here saying it's closer to Series S.

There is indeed. Closer to Series S can mean many things. In terms of more modern tech rendering it is, but talking about raw power not absolutely, ps4 it's the more close. From where even coming such convintion. And japanese developers well... I'm not want to sound more rude. And I think to have the same raw power of the ps4 it's not absolutely bad for an handheld.

 

[LordOcidax]

There is indeed. Closer to Series S can mean many things. In terms of more modern tech rendering it is, but talking about raw power not absolutely, ps4 it's the more close. From where even coming such convintion. And japanese developers well... I'm not want to sound more rude. And I think to have the same raw power of the ps4 it's not absolutely bad for an handheld.

Raw power is almost irrelevant when comparing different architectures and more modern tech, the Switch beats out the base PS4 when handheld and PS4 Pro when docked, is more close to the Series S (Not on par or above) because fastest storage, DLSS and more ram than a PS4/PS4 Pro + Modern GPUs and better CPU cores. Comparisons have proved this already…

Raw power comparison:
Switch 2 handheld 1.7 TF
Switch 2 docked 3.1 TF
Base PS4 1.8 TF
PS 4 Pro 4.2 TF
Series S 4.0 TF

 

[Karim]

Raw power is almost irrelevant when comparing different architectures and more modern tech, the Switch beats out the base PS4 when handheld and PS4 Pro when docked, is more close to the Series S (Not on par or above) because fastest storage, DLSS and more ram than a PS4/PS4 Pro + Modern GPUs and better CPU cores. Comparisons have proved this already…

Raw power comparison:
Switch 2 handheld 1.7 TF
Switch 2 docked 3.1 TF
Base PS4 1.8 TF
PS 4 Pro 4.2 TF
Series S 4.0 TF

From when raw power is irrelevant? I think you are free to believe whatever you want but comparison haven't proved at all what you said.

 

[LordOcidax]

From when raw power is irrelevant? I think you are free to believe whatever you want but comparison haven't proved at all what you said.

In all the comparisons the Switch 2 is clearly above the PS4 Pro in docked mode in terms of Texture Quality, IQ, loading time, loading assets time and framerate. In some cases above the Series S in terms of texture quality. Thats a Fact no my opinion.

 

[Mr Hyde]

And japanese developers well... I'm not want to sound more rude. And I think to have the same raw power of the ps4 it's not absolutely bad for an handheld

But you are being rude. You're dismissing legitimate devs who has put in actual work with Switch 2. Are you a dev? Have you worked on a game that is comparative to Wild Hearts?

 

[Karim]

But you are being rude. You're dismissing legitimate devs who has put in actual work with Switch 2. Are you a dev? Have you worked on a game that is comparative to Wild Hearts?

you read the whole post at least? In what way I dismissed them?

 

[Karim]

In all the comparisons the Switch 2 is clearly above the PS4 Pro in docked mode in terms of Texture Quality, IQ, loading time, loading assets time and framerate. In some cases above the Series S in terms of texture quality. Thats a Fact no my opinion.

In all comparison. Sure. You really living in your lalaland dimension.

 

[LordOcidax]

But you are being rude. You're dismissing legitimate devs who has put in actual work with Switch 2. Are you a dev? Have you worked on a game that is comparative to Wild Hearts?

Exactly… Amazing to have some people contradicting actual devs of the console that have worked on the 3 systems

 

[LordOcidax]

In all comparison. Sure.

Feel free to show a comparison were the PS4 Pro is above the Switch 2 in docked mode… take your time.

 

[Mr Hyde]

you read the whole post at least? In what way I dismissed them?

Yeah I read the whole post. And I quoted exactly the paragraph where you dismiss japanese devs. Don't you know what you are writing?

"And japanese developers... we'll I don't want to sound more rude..."

You're implying that Koei Tecmo devs doesn't know what they are talking about. But an armchair expert like you does? Give me a break.

 

[Karim]

Feel free to show a comparison were the PS4 Pro is above the Switch 2 in docked mode… take your time.

Show me all the superior games. All. Take your time.

 

[Karim]

Yeah I read the whole post. And I quoted exactly the paragraph where you dismiss japanese devs. Don't you know what you are writing?

"And japanese developers... we'll I don't want to sound more rude..."

You're implying that Koei Tecmo devs doesn't know what they are talking about. But an armchair expert like you does? Give me a break.

I'm not implying anything of you said and I also mentioned is closer to series S in hardware tech.

 

[LordOcidax]

Show me all the superior games. All. Take your time.

Yo didn't show nothing . Also, we already have plenty of threads about this… Is not even a discussion anymore, is a fact.

 

[Karim]

Yo didn't show nothing . Also, we already have plenty of threads about this… Is not even a discussion anymore, is a fact.

And in all the threads you and some nintendo fan are the only who think all games multiplat are superior or closer to series S as a fact. Take a moment to think about it. I already said you are free to believe it but it's not a fact. It's more a personal convinction.

 

[PeteBull]

From when raw power is irrelevant? I think you are free to believe whatever you want but comparison haven't proved at all what you said.

Its relevant but u gotta remember he quoted raw power of the gpu, in terms of anything else switch2 is vastly superior to last gen consoles, it has ssd, 12gigs of vram, dlss(aka ai upscaling) which is huge, much faster cpu too(not as fast as zen2 we got in ps5/xsx/xss but visibly stronger from weaksauce jaguars we had in ps4/ps4pr0/xbone/xbone x).

How strong console is depends on all those specs, not just raw gpu power alone.

In terms of pc specs think of this xbox one x is frankenstein monster- 14yo midrange i5 2500k(4cores/4threads), no ssd , just hdd(not even top hdd, those last gen consoles had slow 5400 rpm hdds instead of much faster 7200rpm hdds), 8gigs of ddr3 but 2500usd streetprice used rtx 4090(previous bis, currend 2nd bis gpu)slammed on top.

Now compare it to relatively weak but modern 73$ cpu r5 5500(still much better ipc and 6cores/12threads) combined with 25% weaker from 4090 but still solid 5070ti, 4th gen pcie 1tb ssd- i guarantee u 2nd pc will outperform 1st one if not in all then in most modern games, hell it wont even be able to start playing many modern games on lowest settings just coz it has no ssd and only 8gigs of system ram(old slow ddr3 too).

Obviously im not saying switch2 has performance of 5070ti and xbox one x has gpu as strong as 4090 but just giving u idea how unbalanced those last gen midgen upgrades were compared to switch2 today,

 

[Karim]

Its relevant but u gotta remember he quoted raw power of the gpu, in terms of anything else switch2 is vastly superior to last gen consoles, it has ssd, 12gigs of vram, dlss(aka ai upscaling) which is huge, much faster cpu too(not as fast as zen2 we got in ps5/xsx/xss but visibly stronger from weaksauce jaguars we had in ps4/ps4pr0/xbone/xbone x).

How strong console is depends on all those specs, not just raw gpu power alone.

In terms of pc specs think of this xbox one x is frankenstein monster- 14yo midrange i5 2500k(4cores/4threads), no ssd , just hdd(not even top hdd, those last gen consoles had slow 5400 rpm hdds instead of much faster 7200rpm hdds), 8gigs of ddr3 but 2500usd streetprice used rtx 4090(previous bis, currend 2nd bis gpu)slammed on top.

Now compare it to relatively weak but modern 73$ cpu r5 5500(still much better ipc and 6cores/12threads) combined with 25% weaker from 4090 but still solid 5070ti, 4th gen pcie 1tb ssd- i guarantee u 2nd pc will outperform 1st one if not in all then in most modern games, hell it wont even be able to start playing many modern games on lowest settings just coz it has no ssd and only 8gigs of system ram(old slow ddr3 too).

Obviously im not saying switch2 has performance of 5070ti and xbox one x has gpu as strong as 4090 but just giving u idea how unbalanced those last gen midgen upgrades were compared to switch2 today,

Vastly superior now it's a big word. It's surely more balanced than past generation home console but in terms of LOD can handle quite comparable results not exactly much more. Well with more modern tech stuff.