Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]

Caddle said:
Show me the numbers in europe that state the ps3 outsold the 360 in europe.
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2005 to 2010 - esimate LTD - PS3 15m 360 14m
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2011 - (YTD) PS3 2.79m 360 1.98m
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2012 - (YTD) PS3 4.34m 360 3.02m
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2013 - link

I don't think 360 haven't been outsold YTD PS3 when together in Europe market only. (Ex 2005-6 before PS3 out)
 
Mifune said:
Can you actually talk to in-game characters? Have your buddy or whoever get up and change your tire in a racing game? Not to my knowledge. Not to mention that the Natal in that reveal trailer is picking up the most subtle gestures which Kinect never came close to recognizing.

"USE YOUR OWN GEAR" is one of the main features mentioned in the trailer. Sure you can scan objects. But then use them in a meaningful way in the game? Hardly.

I don't know how anyone could claim that this video accurately represented Kinect.
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Oh please, the natal trailer was a concept video, it is like a the tech demo.
 
Jarnet87 said:
Sounds about right for a new console launch. I expect Sony to have the same problems.
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Well, sounds about right for a modern console launch. There was a time when the sturdiness of consoles was one of the primary reasons people chose consoles over PCs.
 
GavinGT said:
Spring releases work for Rockstar. And going up against Destiny and Call of Duty in the fall might not be a good idea.
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Since when has MS backed down from a Fall or holiday release the whole gen. Spring works for Rockstar, but that's Rockstar.

Again, if you look at all of their prime-time releases, that they truly want to promote the Sep through December makes the most sense.
 
DEADEVIL said:
Since when has MS backed down from a Fall or holiday release the whole gen. Spring works for Rockstar, but that's Rockstar.

Again, if you look at all of their prime-time releases, that they truly want to promote the Sep through December makes the most sense.
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I think it'll be a different situation if they've just put out a new console and several of their first party games miss launch. If third parties aren't there to pick up the spring slack, they may need to release their own tentpole to ensure steady growth. Even more so if Sony decides to release some of its heavy hitting first party games in spring.

But I see what you're saying, in that Microsoft hardly ever releases its games in the spring. Alan Wake was a notable exception and it may very well have suffered for it. Same with Gears of War: Judgment.
 
GavinGT said:
They threw a ton of money at them, gave them an existing engine to work with, and gave them since 2007 to make the game. Plus they weren't developing on a brand new console.
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Even then they didn't produce a quintessential HALO game, well people can claim Bungie didn't either but HALO 3 to me was close to hitting the spot, ODST and Reach never felt like it had the weight of the entire Bungie studio behind it, and that's the problem with 343i, they're not Bungie and they will never be Bungie.
 
Not surprising considering what we've heard of MS's next gen offerings and their focus is working on new original IP while all we've seen from Sony are more sequels of same ol same ol.

MS seems to be focusing more on new ideas which are going to take longer to iterate on and be the more risky route while Sony is simply playing the safe bet giving us more of the same only marginally prettier. at least going by what they've shown so far.
 
Why did they even close studios like Bizzare? They really need to secure more first party studios, as we can see from Sony, third party exclusives have unreliable platform allegiances at best.
 
ii Stryker said:
Not surprising considering what we've heard of MS's next gen offerings and their focus is working on new original IP while all we've seen from Sony are more sequels of same ol same ol.

MS seems to be focusing more on new ideas which are going to take longer to iterate on and be the more risky route while Sony is simply playing the safe bet giving us more of the same only marginally prettier. at least going by what they've shown so far.
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Infamous SS
Killzone SF
Knack
Drive Club

They showed you two sequels and two new IP. Hope you didn't miss the last two as they were part of the unveil too. Knack is the first game they showed. The guys working on Killzone also have another team working on a new IP too. Also, you're in for a rude surprise if you think Sony won't show even more new IP. They have so many teams, it's quite comfortable at this stage for them to do both sequels and original properties. Certainly, they'll be in a much better position than either Nintendo or MS to do that.

Also, you haven't really heard anything of MS's next gen offerings. And I guess you're likely to be disappointed when they unveil their next Forza and Fable offerings, potentially quite soon.
 
DEADEVIL said:
Since when has MS backed down from a Fall or holiday release the whole gen. Spring works for Rockstar, but that's Rockstar.

Again, if you look at all of their prime-time releases, that they truly want to promote the Sep through December makes the most sense.
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gears j released in spring,doesnt matter when a brand big enough releases.
 
Verendus said:
Infamous SS
Killzone SF
Knack
Drive Club

They showed you two sequels and two new IP. Hope you didn't miss the last two as they were part of the unveil too. Knack is the first game they showed. The guys working on Killzone also have another team working on a new IP too. Also, you're in for a rude surprise if you think Sony won't show even more new IP. They have so many teams, it's quite comfortable at this stage for them to do both sequels and original properties. Certainly, they'll be in a much better position than either Nintendo or MS to do that.

Also, you haven't really heard anything of MS's next gen offerings. And I guess you're likely to be disappointed when they unveil their next Forza and Fable offerings, potentially quite soon.
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in true sony style they will announce heaps of new games...Most of which we wont be playing for 2 years....just going off their history ms at least announce games within the calander
year
 
nib95 said:
Why did they even close studios like Bizzare? They really need to secure more first party studios, as we can see from Sony, third party exclusives have unreliable platform allegiances at best.
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I think they are more sensitive on studio finance. If studio don't have future promise and MS would like to close them. let more invest to others or built internal studio.
 
Makes sense! They've been killing off developers left and right and severely impairing the one's they still have doing lame Kinect projects. Xbox internal development is in dire condition.
 
Xbox is 6 months behind where they would like to be, you don't say. How far behind is the WiiU from where it would like to be?
 
captainraincoat said:
in true sony style they will announce heaps of new games...Most of which we wont be playing for 2 years....just going off their history ms at least announce games within the calander
year
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I'm holding out hope for "The Bouncer 2". The announcement and hope for the first game was nuts
 
Verendus said:
Infamous SS
Killzone SF
Knack
Drive Club

They showed you two sequels and two new IP. Hope you didn't miss the last two as they were part of the unveil too. Knack is the first game they showed. The guys working on Killzone also have another team working on a new IP too. Also, you're in for a rude surprise if you think Sony won't show even more new IP. They have so many teams, it's quite comfortable at this stage for them to do both sequels and original properties. Certainly, they'll be in a much better position than either Nintendo or MS to do that.

Also, you haven't really heard anything of MS's next gen offerings. And I guess you're likely to be disappointed when they unveil their next Forza and Fable offerings, potentially quite soon.
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I realize both will be giving us sequels. I was just reasoning based on what we've seen from sony and what the rumors have said MS was up to.

And my guess is Sony's holding back their new IP for E3. Knack look like it could be fun but calling drive club a new IP is technically true but its a driving game that other IP do much better already and isn't really what I'm looking forward to with gaming in the next gen.
 
ii Stryker said:
I realize both will be giving us sequels. I was just reasoning based on what we've seen from sony and what the rumors have said MS was up to.

And my guess is Sony's holding back their new IP for E3. Knack look like it could be fun but calling drive club a new IP is technically true but its a driving game that other IP do much better already and isn't really what I'm looking forward to with gaming in the next gen.
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Drive Club isn't really like any other racer out there. Quite different. At least, the aim of what it's trying to accomplish hasn't been done period, let alone done better. But I guess you'll see that when more of it is shown.

Also, I don't see how you can reason from rumours that MS is focusing more on new IP. There are rumours stating they're preparing Forza, Halo, Fable. That's 3 sequels right off the bat, and more than likely, you'll be seeing two of them by E3s close. The only rumour surrounding new IP is about Ryse (something which was confirmed really) or just that there's new IP being worked on without any details. Anyone can say that though. They're just rumours.

Sony has already shown you two new IP. Those will be there in the launch window. And if you want to take into account what you've "heard" or rumours basically, there's also various pieces of information out there about other new IP they're working on. Why not take those rumours into account as well? You have GGs new IP, Sony Santa Monica's new IP, Ready at Dawn's new IP etc.

How can you reasonably claim that then, based off what you've supposedly heard?

captainraincoat said:
in true sony style they will announce heaps of new games...Most of which we wont be playing for 2 years....just going off their history ms at least announce games within the calander
year
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Well, they've already announced four internally developed games for year one. So, if they announce heaps of games, it only stands to reason that some of them will be released after year one since it would be pretty stupid to do otherwise.

I really wouldn't use PS3s launch history to judge what will happen with the PS4. Considering, you know, they deliberately created and nurtured several teams to avoid any potential game release problems. That's kind of the whole point of SCE WWS.
 
l3lacklvlagic said:
How is that a bad thing?
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If you want to have the exact same issue the ps3 had then sure...its no problem but most people will want games to play now. ..not in 2 years. Not saying that the ps4 wont have good launch games but there will be that big gap between launch and a steady stream of titles this has happened on all sony consoles. ...factor in the rumored ea/ms deal and u might have a drought bigger than the ps3s
 
captainraincoat said:
If you want to have the exact same issue the ps3 had then sure...its no problem but most people will want games to play now. ..not in 2 years. Not saying that the ps4 wont have good launch games but there will be that big gap between launch and a steady stream of titles this has happened on all sony consoles. ...factor in the rumored ea/ms deal and u might have a drought bigger than the ps3s
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For the last couple of years Sony has had a steady stream on exclusives more so then any other company.
 
nib95 said:
Why did they even close studios like Bizzare? They really need to secure more first party studios, as we can see from Sony, third party exclusives have unreliable platform allegiances at best.
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What? Bizarre was not a Microsoft Studio. Bizarre was a third party, then Activision buy Bizarre and close them.
 
ii Stryker said:
Not surprising considering what we've heard of MS's next gen offerings and their focus is working on new original IP while all we've seen from Sony are more sequels of same ol same ol.

MS seems to be focusing more on new ideas which are going to take longer to iterate on and be the more risky route while Sony is simply playing the safe bet giving us more of the same only marginally prettier. at least going by what they've shown so far.
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Another one straight off of mamas milk and new to gaming. What nonsense are you typing? You cant be serious with that first sentence. Sony has consistently pumped out new ideas and IP's every gen.
 
Verendus said:
Drive Club isn't really like any other racer out there. Quite different. At least, the aim of what it's trying to accomplish hasn't been done period, let alone done better. But I guess you'll see that when more of it is shown.
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I am also excited to hear more about DriveClub and what is going to make it stand out from GT and Forza. From the information that we already have, it just sounds like the clubs in Forza all over again.
 
DEADEVIL said:
Why would they be dead in Europe? When they have been competitive all gen?

Next gen if MS plays it's cards right they will continue to win NA and still be successful in Europe.

The difference is they actually could gain more ground in all regions that even the 360 was not able to accopmlish.
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I think its more likely that they lose ground than gain it. Now I'm selling you doom and gloom by any means, but the large majority of their success was from North America. In Europe, its fair to say their neck and neck with Sony...with Sony having a slight lead. In Japan, of course they are no competition. They won't enjoy a year lead on store shelves, which leads me to believe its highly unlikely that should Sony and MS release at the same time, we'll see a 2:1 sales rate. Or another way of putting it is...We won't see a 8mil sales lead again. That gives Sony room to encroach on market share from the beginning. I envision a neck and neck battleground in EU and NA.

Of course that's predicated on my belief that the system will be around the same ballpark feature- and price-wise.
 
nib95 said:
Why did they even close studios like Bizzare? They really need to secure more first party studios, as we can see from Sony, third party exclusives have unreliable platform allegiances at best.
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Activision bought Bizzare and shut them down. I do think Microsoft should've bought some of the companies they had past relations with though, instead of letting third party companies buy them.
 
Respawn said:
Another one straight off of mamas milk and new to gaming. What are you laughing at? Sony has consistently pumped out new ideas and IP's every gen.
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Its like I said I'm basing my opinion off of what Sony has shown and this thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511206&highlight=ms+new+ip

I'm not saying Sony won't have new IP. I also like your liberal use of "new ideas". gave me a good chuckle.

other than being highly cinematic there's no new ideas behind KZ, UC, resistance they're hallway shooters nothing more.
 
GavinGT said:
I think it'll be a different situation if they've just put out a new console and several of their first party games miss launch. If third parties aren't there to pick up the spring slack, they may need to release their own tentpole to ensure steady growth. Even more so if Sony decides to release some of its heavy hitting first party games in spring.

But I see what you're saying, in that Microsoft hardly ever releases its games in the spring. Alan Wake was a notable exception and it may very well have suffered for it. Same with Gears of War: Judgment.
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Alan Wake got victimized by Red Dead Redemption. The first and last time MS needed to learn that valuable lesson.

When Rockstar moves their release date next to your horror gem, the move the f--- out of the way!

Gears of War: Judgment made perfect sense when trying to get their last title out before the Next gen arrived. Nothing about Judgement came close to being as big as it's former brethren.

But you are right as it also played a perfect companion to the God of War prequel.


But a Respawn exclusive'? Nah. That one will get one or two E3s before coming out. But in my opinion, a game this big with a dual release has the primetime November Launch Slot written all over it.
 
cornerman said:
I think its more likely that they lose ground than gain it. Now I'm selling you doom and gloom by any means, but the large majority of their success was from North America. In Europe, its fair to say their neck and neck with Sony...with Sony having a slight lead. In Japan, of course they are no competition. They won't enjoy a year lead on store shelves, which leads me to believe its highly unlikely that should Sony and MS release at the same time, we'll see a 2:1 sales rate. Or another way of putting it is...We won't see a 8mil sales lead again. That gives Sony room to encroach on market share from the beginning. I envision a neck and neck battleground in EU and NA.

Of course that's predicated on my belief that the system will be around the same ballpark feature- and price-wise.
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It will be interesting.

I think a lot of the success in North America was built upon both an initial year lead and the PS3's terrible pricing. It let them build up a base of consumers that led to something of a bandwagon effect, so that even when the systems reached general parity in terms of software support, price and features, the 360 would still be the more appealing system due to wanting the same system your friends already had.

Technically launching at a similar time should negate such an effect, but whether or not this effect carries across the generational transition will also be interesting to observe. E.g. if a person buys a new XBOX presumably they'll still be able to play COD:Ghosts with the larger NA installed base and/or with their friends that don't jump in to the next gen yet; with the same going for the PlayStation.
 
l3lacklvlagic said:
What about LittleBigPlanet and Heavy Rain?
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Heavy rain was an interesting experiment but the character acting and dialogue ruined the experience really just a longwinded QTE

LBP is a mario clone with editing tools

they're new IP in the branding however the concepts of gameplay are not really new

my comments are referring to next gen anyway based off of fact and rumor because the thread is talking about why Durango is behind in game production.

Whatever either company has done in this gen is irrelevant to the next gen. new systems = clean slate
 
ii Stryker said:
Heavy rain was an interesting experiment but the character acting and dialogue ruined the experience really just a longwinded QTE

LBP is a mario clone with editing tools

they're new IP in the branding however the concepts of gameplay are not really new

my comments are referring to next gen anyway based off of fact and rumor because the thread is talking about why Durango is behind in game production.

Whatever either company has done in this gen is irrelevant to the next gen. new systems = clean slate
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Okay well done I thought you were serious at first. Ya got me!
 
ii Stryker said:
Heavy rain was an interesting experiment but the character acting and dialogue ruined the experience really just a longwinded QTE

LBP is a mario clone with editing tools

they're new IP in the branding however the concepts of gameplay are not really new

my comments are referring to next gen anyway based off of fact and rumor because the thread is talking about why Durango is behind in game production.

Whatever either company has done in this gen is irrelevant to the next gen. new systems = clean slate
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That's a little reductive don't you think?
In LBP you could also move up and down the Z axis, that was new

In Heavy Rain you had more controller buttons combos than Indigo Prophecy, that was new
 
I honestly don't think you will see any new or innovative ideas coming out of the Microsoft first party. The brass running the show is squarely determined on profit return. I expect a by the numbers shooter, a COD money hat, Forza rehash, and various attempts at Kinnect titles.
 
ii Stryker said:
Heavy rain was an interesting experiment but the character acting and dialogue ruined the experience really just a longwinded QTE

LBP is a mario clone with editing tools

they're new IP in the branding however the concepts of gameplay are not really new

my comments are referring to next gen anyway based off of fact and rumor because the thread is talking about why Durango is behind in game production.

Whatever either company has done in this gen is irrelevant to the next gen. new systems = clean slate
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New IP has you use a method of input to control actions on the screen, ergo it's not a new IP and can be dismissed.

thuway said:
I honestly don't think you will see any new or innovative ideas coming out of the Microsoft first party. The brass running the show is squarely determined on profit return. I expect a by the numbers shooter, a COD money hat, Forza rehash, and various attempts at Kinnect titles.
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I certainly hope that they have more than Ryse. I'm not even sure why people are excited for that title. I've never enjoyed a Crytek game and they just seem to be getting worse.
 
ii Stryker said:
Heavy rain was an interesting experiment but the character acting and dialogue ruined the experience really just a longwinded QTE

LBP is a mario clone with editing tools

they're new IP in the branding however the concepts of gameplay are not really new

my comments are referring to next gen anyway based off of fact and rumor because the thread is talking about why Durango is behind in game production.

Whatever either company has done in this gen is irrelevant to the next gen. new systems = clean slate
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Whether you liked Heavy Rain or not Is redundant, its still a new idea.
You can't really think LBP is a Mario clone, that has to be a joke, right?
 
ii Stryker said:
Its like I said I'm basing my opinion off of what Sony has shown and this thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511206&highlight=ms+new+ip

I'm not saying Sony won't have new IP. I also like your liberal use of "new ideas". gave me a good chuckle.

other than being highly cinematic there's no new ideas behind KZ, UC, resistance they're hallway shooters nothing more.
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Uncharted is not a hallway shooter, the fact that you actually believe this shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
thuway said:
I honestly don't think you will see any new or innovative ideas coming out of the Microsoft first party. The brass running the show is squarely determined on profit return. I expect a by the numbers shooter, a COD money hat, Forza rehash, and various attempts at Kinnect titles.
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COD is on both platforms. The new Respawn game wont matter much since although the devs left IW , they didnt take with them EA's tools and middlewares which are best in the industry

Caddle said:
Show me the numbers in europe that state the ps3 outsold the 360 in europe.
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these stealth trolling techniques makes every x360 owner look bad. PS3 outsold x360 by a huge margin in PAL/europe. Look at eu charts. where is an x360 game besides the UK charts?
 
Shayan said:
The new Respawn game wont matter much since although the devs left IW , they didnt take with them EA's tools and middlewares which are best in the industry
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That's a very strange reason to discount the game. Besides, as far as we know they're still with EA.

Shayan said:
these stealth trolling techniques makes every x360 owner look bad. PS3 outsold x360 by a huge margin in PAL/europe. Look at eu charts. where is an x360 game besides the UK charts?
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What EU charts? The ones that we get sporadically from platform holders or the ones that end in a 'z'?
 
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