Can Crusher
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If Durango turns up and it makes the PS4 look like rotten onions on dry cheese, then hey.
I'm just trying to keep an objective look, making sense of the situation.
Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]
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If Durango turns up and it makes the PS4 look like rotten onions on dry cheese, then hey.
I'm just trying to keep an objective look, making sense of the situation.
I expect them to look great, but be downgraded a lot when you see them on console. It'd be a wise marekting tactic (ie misleading consumers) when the competition has a much more powerful console. A lot of the games won't be ready at all anyways, so they'll show at least some prerendered and CGI stuff which always looks great (remember the killzone trailer?)
That being said, art direction >>>> technical power.
They will, 1.23TFLOPS & 8GB of RAM is a lot in a closed box the games will look good anyone expecting the games not to look good are crazy.
opticalmace
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I agree.
XtremeXpider
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It is just a wish, some people are acting like in a war, "MS will loose", "Sony is the best", "RROD", "hahaha", and I really think we need a real competition, not a war, competition is good.
But I know where all rumors are pointing, and I'm not a blind guy, it is only that I take rumors as a rumor, not a fact.
XtremeXpider
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2-3 months is ok for me, it is like the Xbox 360 launch window.
Syphon Filter
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what is not unexpected?
Saying "next year".
XtremeXpider
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I have a question: from a rumor (for example, the kotaku rumor), how much is the real source info and how much are speculative things from the page?
You mean, how much is horse shit and how much is dog shit? It's roughly a 50/50 split.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Which is not possible,few weeks after May 21 they need to have playable demo at E3 or it won't even release at this year
XtremeXpider
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Lol xD
I mean how much, from a rumor article, is a speculative view from the real source, why they (kotaku) can't publish the exact words from their source?
Yep. If you want to "lie" about a game that's not going to be playable and release this year, you can. You can't however pull that off with launch games. E3 2005 was different for Sony, because they weren't launching for 19 months. Microsoft doesn't really have time to fake it. I expect the games to look good, and be real. Unless of course they show 2014/2015 stuff at the reveal. Either way, come E3 we'll have to see something.
Yep.
It's not the early games I'm worried about. It's if Durango is weaker, how much better will PS4 versions of games look/perform a few years in.
Tripp Daily
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Not trying to be a MS warrior, but MS has really never done this have they. As in "shown a game that will not be representative of the final product".
With nothing to go on officially, you can't reasonably come to this conclusion. If MS comes out on the 21st and it seems like they are disjointed and unorganized then yeah that statement can be made, but until that time the only reasonable train of thought is that this is what MS had planned all along.
plantedunicorn
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That is the best thing about Halo 2. The actual game was just ok to me.
BruceLeeRoy
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You can't be serious. They did one of the biggest bait and switches ever with Halo 3.
Why not just run it off a PC version or show pre-rendered cutscenes? The game can still be playable on the Xbox in time for the holidays, with a demo for E3. I'd just be worried as Microsoft because it is at a large hardware disadvantage graphically if the rumours are true.
Tripp Daily
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Whoops, my fault. I guess that just didn't click with me. I always think about Killzone, motorstorm and Killing day?(I think that was the one that impressed me the most) when I think about bait and switch tactics.
The press always gets to play the games at E3, though. If Microsoft didn't let people get any hands-on time at E3 the press will kill them, and then people should be worried. Also I relly don't think the spec difference will be noticeable on day 1. I think games built to take advantage of the PS4 will eventually make it noticeable, down the road.
BruceLeeRoy
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I forgot about H2. Yeah you win with that one.
Those are definitely infamous but I would put H3 up there because the final game not only extremely short of the reveal trailer but it looked pretty bad in general. Also screw Luke Smith.
SniperHunter
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CG
Real time
They showed this CG demo during the reveal of the original Xbox, the actual real time demo was quite ugly
Maximilian Kolbe
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Well this is from 2002(or 03?),Halo 2 released at 2004
I think you're mixing something up. This is the infamous Halo 2 E3 trailer.
All of this was scrapped for something else.
Maximilian Kolbe
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And why run it off a PC version?
I found out people keep using worst way to talk anything about Microsoft
Woo-Fu
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Arguably the deepest stable of 1st party development and one assumes they learned a hell of a lot when it comes to hardware from the PS3 debacle. I'd also consider them the friendliest console platform for 3rd party devs, from what I've read.
Seems like a good position to be in but never underestimate the ability of a megacorp to cock it up.
Maximilian Kolbe
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...Then why post this video?don't think they will give us a scrapped level for a game will release this year
Btw it seems all of that were from Peter Moore era.
Tripp Daily
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Think we will be speaking of Deep Down like this in a year or two?
Just posting proof MS has done something like this before. Well that was more on Bungie's part.
I hope not. lol
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Nope, Deep Down was presented as a tech demo and not even of a final title. Halo 2 was presented as "the game you will be playing on release" and it was just total bullshit smoke and mirrors. Don't think part of me will ever forgive Bungie for that.
BruceLeeRoy
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Not really the same ilk but your right that it will be looked at as representative of something we wont see for a long time.
XtremeXpider
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Lol, are you serious? MS can't go to E3 with CGIs and pretend to launch this year. Sony showed CGIs at 2005 because their plans was a 2006 launch.
Tripp Daily
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I think you could argue that the use of a UI in the deep down demo was very misguiding.
I felt like that was a little bit of a slap in the face to the audience.
SniperHunter
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Deep Down wasn't a tech demo. It is a placeholder name for a new IP running on the new Panty Raid engine
Tripp Daily
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*Chuckles*
BloodMoney
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Damn Michael Cerny is so damned earnest. He's like the best face to put forward for this "new Sony" I can possibly think of judging by the results so far. Enthusiastic without being egotistical, prideful in the tech without petty insults at competitors and the PERFECT ideas about what is important for gaming technology, which is the piece Nintendo was always missing with Iwata.
I just hope this translates into real world success because it seems they're earnestly trying to improve things from PS3 a metric fuckton, and because so much of PS4 is pro-consumer so far.
BruceLeeRoy
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Yeah he was a excellent choice and it says a lot about what Sony's thinking is going forward with this system. The fact that he found himself getting more enthusiastic and concerned about what the next console would be, asking to be the lead engineer and actually being granted that position is pretty crazy.
BloodMoney
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...and he made Marble Madness in his teen's
so,
the man can basically do no wrong.
and his name is Mark, not Michael.
so,
the man can basically do no wrong.
and his name is Mark, not Michael.
I would say that the Project Natal reveal was pretty unrepresentative of the final product.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qlHoxPioM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qlHoxPioM
Maximilian Kolbe
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Yeah but that's 17 months before released
BruceLeeRoy
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Maybe I am missing something but why does the timeframe have anything to do with it?
I'm still waiting to use my skateboard.
Mark, Michael. He'll always be creepy stalker looking guy to me who also happens to be totally rad so far.
Marble Madness was so good back in the day. I keep forgetting that factoid about Cerny whenever people mention him, but that IS pretty good. And the game was pretty innovative for the time, and actually has some direct ancestors in modern games (Mercury Meltdown, Monkey Ball, Kororinpa).
Yeah, there's just a lot clicking in place for this PS4 project. What we need now is for Sony not to lose any major third party titles, because they can't afford that, and for the PS4 to come in AT LEAST at the same price as Durango.
XtremeXpider
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Well, most things have been made, even scanning objects.
Maximilian Kolbe
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The answer is in the same page...