If anything it means low body fat...
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Lance Armstrong on Doping: 'I Would Probably Do It Again'
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If anything it means low body fat...
The "everyone was doping, Lance was just evening the playing field" argument, aside from being morally bankrupt, is also disingenuous because by all accounts, Armstrong's whole doping operation was far more sophisticated and performance-enhancing than anything used by other athletes.
Even if everyone was cheating, it still wasn't a case of all things being equal.
Even if everyone was cheating, it still wasn't a case of all things being equal.
Ninja Scooter
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He still made millions of dollars and helped a bunch of people with cancer. I don't blame him.
TarpitCarnivore
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1. his body fat is stupidly low
2. Go ride a bike over 100KM at their intensity level and look at your body when it's done.
It doesn't take much to cause veins to bulge after putting your body through exertion.
True, they were all doping and he was still kicking everyone's ass.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
It still amazes me that so many refused ot believe he was cheating before it all came out. How could anyone be that naive?
A recovering cancer patient wins the most greuling individual sport on the planet 7 times unassisted against a field of drug cheats?
Yeah....sure...ok.
A recovering cancer patient wins the most greuling individual sport on the planet 7 times unassisted against a field of drug cheats?
Yeah....sure...ok.
entremet
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PhantomZone
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I love that he is not phased by how wrong it is to cheat.
Stay strong Lance!
Stay strong Lance!
Delta Assault
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Well, the fact that he was never caught kinda helped with the illusion.
I honestly think he was also helped, if only a little, by that brief wave of anti-French sentiments in 2002/03 over the Iraq war. A lot of French accusations over Armstrong were decried as being jealous and resentful toward America.
Or maybe that was just my dad :lol
thesoapster
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Goddammit.
Ninja Scooter
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Means do not justify the end or vice versa.
Don't get me wrong I still think the responses to accusations and the way he would drag detractors through the mud was reprehensible, but with regards to the PED use I bet most athlete deep down feel the same way. If ARod had it to do all over again you think he wouldn't? Guy made like $300 million with that you can buy a new reputation.
If it wasn't for him trying (and succeeding) to destroy the lives of folks who were whistle blowing, I honestly wouldn't have too many problems with the guy. He battled back from life threatening disease, made lots of money, got his body in supreme shape, and founded an organization that I've personally seen help people with cancer.
He has the asshole personality that you seem to need to have to be successful in America. He did what he thought that he needed to do. But he stomped on others to try to get to the top. And that's why he deserved to fall.
He has the asshole personality that you seem to need to have to be successful in America. He did what he thought that he needed to do. But he stomped on others to try to get to the top. And that's why he deserved to fall.
Wow. GAF is on the ball today.
crazepharmacist
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I used to be a long distance runner in high school with low body fat, never had legs looking anywhere near that. In fact I've never seen any runner's or cyclist's legs look like that. I honestly don't think it's possible to get to that level of vascularity without performance enhancing drugs.
He did a *lot* of things right.
Sure, cheating is bad, and sure, he was an asshole. But honestly, I'd much rather have an asshole that helps a lot of people, that actually leads a great organization, than a nice person who is incompetent at what they do.
As far as I'm concerned, if we could go back in time, and I knew he was doping, I'd still cheer him on.
entremet
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He could also be dehydrated to the max. Not sure why an endurance athletes would that. I can understand for stage ready bodybuilders, which are almost always enhanced.
TarpitCarnivore
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Those were his legs AFTER Stage 18 which if you look at the profile (http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2014/us/stage-18.html) you can see had two very tough climbs. His legs do not look like this every day of the week.
Each to their own. I couldn't cheer a cheat on, that ruined peoples lives just because they wanted to stand up to him. He still doesn't care what he did to those people. But I give him credit for setting up his organisation to help cancer sufferers.
TarpitCarnivore
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Watch the Showtime special on Lance and I guarantee you it will change your perception of him. He did one thing right and that was use his fame to push Livestrong, that's it. He verbally threatened people constantly and ruined tons of peoples lives all to preserve his own legacy.
TemplaerDude
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There is no justification for that, but his foundation has helped far, far more people in the long run.
speculawyer
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TarpitCarnivore
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That's been speculated, but his biggest amounts of doping and transfusions came post cancer.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Still awkward watching a certain scene in Dodgeball; An Underdog Story nowadays, though
I find it makes that scene even funnier.
lol
That level of veininess is more attributable to low body fat + dehydration than anything.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Lack of empathy is common in high-level sportsmen. Wouldn't shock me one bit. Not that there is anything wrong with being a sociopath; though there is with doing bad things.
I can at least respect his honesty here. He's a dick but, at least he's not bullshitting. His punishment should be maintained though because you can't tolerate this behaviour.
Prinz Eugn
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Exactly, that's why technically no one won the Tour those years now. For example, constant 2nd place tour finisher Jan Ullrich admitted to doping before Armstrong did, and it would be a farcical struggle to find whoever next down the leaderboard that didn't dope.
CrunchyFrog
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Pretty much this. Wrecked lives to keep up his lies. No sympathy from me, I don't care how many "charities" he started in the meantime.
and yet, here you are justifying it:
And while his noble cheating may have created Livestrong, the admission of said cheating has left a huge financial hole in the foundation, with donations dropping off and major sponsors pulling out. So really, maybe the right thing would have been to never cop to it in the first place!
SnowFlakeCake
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The fuck does being American have to do with this? As a British man I salute Armstrong, dude is a gentleman and scholar for helping so many people. Yeah he cheated in a sport but so what? Sportmen are just on the planet for my entertainment when I have nothing better to do, win or lose no sportsman will ever change your life.
Except this guy, Armstrong helped a lot of people through the foundation.
After seeing Bigger Stronger Faster [Netflix], I think doping is a topic that's way more overblown than it probably should be. Still, Armstrong is a complete asshole for how he went about covering things up.
Clinton514
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Praises be to the cheater.
He's an ass in my book. Simple as that.
He's an ass in my book. Simple as that.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
He's already paid the price in the court of public opinion so his honesty is welcome. He didn't murder anyone and no, I'm not a fan but just a human.
I'm only human!
They should give his 1999 title to this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Bassons
Essentially chased out of cycling because he refused to dope. So no, not 'everyone' was doing it.
Essentially chased out of cycling because he refused to dope. So no, not 'everyone' was doing it.
Watch the documentary and then comeback and tell us he's a "Gentleman."
User 479360
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Outside of his foundation and how his beating cancer has helped people gain more will, fuck that guy for his cheating ways and lack of remorse.
Gordon Shumway
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You are hoooooorrible..LMAO
Yeah in the end Lance was revealed as a total asshole undeserving of anything.
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