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Larry Wachowski publicly debuts as... Lana Wachowski

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thatbox

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SUPREME1 said:
Why should he be banned? He said "good for him" then went on to describe her looks.

If this was a thread about any other woman celeb, would he be banned for calling her gross based on her looks?


Fake edit: Unless you think he said gross based on his procedure? Then yeah... that's something completely different. But again, he did say "good for him"... so I doubt it.
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Purposefully not respecting appropriate pronoun usage and calling trans people gross is bog standard bigotry.

MisterAnderson said:
To his defense I don't really see what's so wrong with what he said... is it a requirement to not think this situation is "gross" in order to be tolerant of it? It's not like he said he thought it was wrong, just that he thought it was gross. Just as an example (not meant to derail, only thing I could think of that is semi related) I don't think gay sex is wrong, but if someone showed me gay porn I'd certainly think it's gross.

I mean he even said "Good for him." (although I suppose the lack of "her" might be offensive to some)
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You should stop by gayGAF to let them know your opinion. Or, you know, just keep it to yourself. Nobody is showing you gay porn. Get over it.
 
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IdreamofHIME said:
All power to her, but with the amount of money they've made....you'd think those teeth would have been fixed by now.
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I think that was secondary to all of the other surgeries she's already had done.

Looks more like a woman than Sarah Jessica Parker. Good for her.
 
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SRidge52 said:
Sorry, bro. Didn't know I couldn't have an opinion. :(
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I would quickly edit the post and extend it, so that your opinion is more clear just to make sure that a mod won't read it in the wrong way.

Anyone knows, if this was her wish for very long? I mean I thought most of the time people know about this since their childhood. So maybe the Matrix made this possible for her.
 
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FStop7

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StuBurns said:
But SpeedRacer was after that, presumably, if this is her 'debut', she was able to openly direct a film after and not do PR.
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True enough, I don't know the details or even if it's true, but there was definitely a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes at that time.

The biggest indicator to me that it was directed by the Wachowskis was the cast. Hugo Weaving is a go-to actor of theirs, plus Natalie Portman and isn't likely to sign up for a movie directed by someone who at the time was completely unproven. For example, George Clooney turned down Michael Clayton several times because even though Tony Gilroy had a very successful track record as a writer, including the Bourne films, he had never directed. It took a lot to get him to commit.

Just an interesting anecdote. Even if they didn't direct it, V is still covered in Wachowski influences.
 
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Liquidsnake said:
Be honest GAF.


lanawachowski
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I look at this pic and think, "Ok, that's a woman" which I figure is the ultimate goal of the whole process, so good for her.
 
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StuBurns

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FStop7 said:
Just an interesting anecdote. Even if they didn't direct it, V is still covered in Wachowski influences.
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They wrote the screenplay, developed and produced it, openly. So yeah, if they secretly directed it or not, they were deeply involved in the project.
 
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MisterAnderson said:
To his defense I don't really see what's so wrong with what he said... is it a requirement to not think this situation is "gross" in order to be tolerant of it? It's not like he said he thought it was wrong, just that he thought it was gross. Just as an example (not meant to derail, only thing I could think of that is semi related) I don't think gay sex is wrong, but if someone showed me gay porn I'd certainly think it's gross.

I mean he even said "Good for him." (although I suppose the lack of "her" might be offensive to some) Best thing would have been to not post at all, though.
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This is nothing like watching porn. It's someone being able to fully embrace their identity. There is nothing gross or pornographic about that. If you think it's gross, you should probably keep your ignorant opinions to yourself because it's crazy offense to others who are going through the same process while reading this board.
 
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flowsnake

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StuBurns said:
Him. Her. I would think.

When speaking retrospectively, I would think it's correct to refer to her as her former sex.
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It's correct to refer to people by their gender, before and after any change to sex.

"Correct" meaning that's what they seem to prefer in general. Of course you don't know without asking, but that's what the movement is going for at least, and it seems reasonable as a default.
 
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StuBurns

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Steelrain said:
This is nothing like watching porn. It's someone being able to fully embrace their identity. There is nothing gross or pornographic about that.
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You know what he means. Porn is just an example of why he might see two gay men shagging. He could have said walked into the wrong room looking for the bathroom, his point would be the same.
flowsnake said:
It's correct to refer to people by their gender, before and after any change to sex.

"Correct" meaning that's what they seem to prefer in general. Of course you don't know without asking, but that's what the movement is going for at least, and it seems reasonable.
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Fair enough, seems needlessly confusing.
 
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Deified Data

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Botolf said:
If your opinion is pinned upon flippantly disrespecting people for being themselves, then you'd do well to keep it to yourself or find other disreputable characters to share it with.
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In all fairness, he's being judged as harshly for being himself as he judged Wachowski.
 
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Apath

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Good for her. But I'm not sure I'll be able to stop calling them the Wachowski Brother's. It just has such a good ring to it -_-
 
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EdibleExplosives

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StuBurns said:
You know what he means. Porn is just an example of why he might see two gay men shagging. He could have said walked into the wrong room looking for the bathroom, his point would be the same.
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Except it's not, this isn't about anything sexual. For example, there's a difference between saying that watching gay sex is gross and seeing a gay couple is gross.
If someone came into a thread about a gay couple and called them 'gross' this wouldn't even be an issue as to what he meant.

Anyway, enough with derailing this thread cause of one person's comment.
 
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iirate

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StuBurns said:
Fair enough, seems needlessly confusing.
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Trans individuals usually don't consider themselves to have ever been the gender they were assigned at birth. Surgeries and hormones don't change your gender or sex, but instead bring the body to be more congruent with the mind.
 
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StuBurns

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fireside said:
How is using the same pronoun to refer to somebody past, present, and future needlessly confusing?
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Because it's not accurate. He had a sex change, she didn't, saying she had a sex change implies she is now a he, to me at least.

I don't really see the point in acting as if she wasn't male, I don't think that could upset her, it's not a secret.
iirate said:
Trans individuals usually don't consider themselves to have ever been the gender they were assigned at birth. Surgeries and hormones don't change your gender or sex, but instead bring the body to be more congruent with the mind.
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That's a good point, if that's the case. If she said she had never been male.
 
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Platy

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StuBurns said:
You know what he means. Porn is just an example of why he might see two gay men shagging. He could have said walked into the wrong room looking for the bathroom, his point would be the same.

Fair enough, seems needlessly confusing.
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I like how wikipedia says it

"When there is no dispute, the term most commonly used for a person will be the one that person uses for himself or herself, and the most common terms for a group will be those that the group most commonly uses for itself. Wikipedia should use them too."

"Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the gendered nouns, pronouns, and possessive adjectives that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life."
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One for all and that one is the one the person uses.

Kenak said:
Good for her. But I'm not sure I'll be able to stop calling them the Wachowski Brother's. It just has such a good ring to it -_-
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Wachowski Siblins has lot more is so I think it is almost an alliteration !
 
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Sibylus

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Deified Data said:
In all fairness, he's being judged as harshly for being himself as he judged Wachowski.
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In all fairness, this is a false equivalency (Wachowski can be herself without casting aspersions upon the worth of others). If these opinions are as central to Ridge's person as you allege, then why should they be given carte blanche over other antisocial behaviour?
 
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Deified Data

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Botolf said:
In all fairness, this is a false equivalency (Wachowski can be herself without casting aspersions upon the worth of others). If these opinions are as central to Ridge's person as you allege, then why should they be given carte blanche over other antisocial behaviour?
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Because this is a discussion forum and it's okay to disagree sometimes. Chill out.
 
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SUPREME1

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Pinko Marx said:
I think he was just calling her ugly.
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Basically.


I think some people in here are just looking to be offended or looking to make a big deal out of nothing.



I agree that she's ugly.

I am also happy that she's transformed into the gender/body that matches up with her mind.



Are we supposed to bite our lip when it comes to looks because she is transgendered? If not, what's the problem?
 
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metalslimer

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Is it really wrong to say she doesn't look great? There have been plenty of operations that led to much more beautiful women. On the other hand if the gross comment was directed towards the procedure in and of itself that's terrible. I mean she is a woman now, so is it not okay to comment on women's looks anymore?
 
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Billiechu said:
He called her by male pronouns. Funny how everyone defending him leaves out this key detail...
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Well that's an entire can of worms, isn't it? At what point are you to be called a woman? What makes someone a woman? Is it which gender the person identifies with or is it what you're born with? Can someone really change their outward and to an extent inward form and change their gender? In any case, good for Lana.
 
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Sibylus

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Deified Data said:
Because this is a discussion forum and it's okay to disagree sometimes. Chill out.
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You are full of fallacious reasoning today, aren't you. Yes, this is a discussion forum, and yes, it's even okay to disagree not just sometimes, but constantly! But what is not okay, both implicitly and explicitly (as enshrined in the ToS), is to attack not an argument, but a person and their dignity or worth. This, my dear Data, is where the furor is, and not in your imagined outcry at a junior merely being contrary.
 
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