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Until the poster in question comes out and admits he's a bigot, I'm inclined to believe he's just underwhelmed by her appearance. Doesn't matter. It isn't my fight.
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Until the poster in question comes out and admits he's a bigot, I'm inclined to believe he's just underwhelmed by her appearance. Doesn't matter. It isn't my fight.
Her appearance in the Cloud Atlas video made me think about one thing:
Is there a consensus way to deal with your voice when becoming a woman at a later point in life? Because the way she just tries to speak at a higher pitch is kind of jarring.
Are there other ways to get over that? Does the voice not change when you undergo hormone treatment?
Is there a consensus way to deal with your voice when becoming a woman at a later point in life? Because the way she just tries to speak at a higher pitch is kind of jarring.
Are there other ways to get over that? Does the voice not change when you undergo hormone treatment?
SquiddyCracker
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Nothing gross, you mustn't see many women on the street.
So by gross, I'm guessing you're referring to her status as a transgendered woman - in which case you're a bit bigoted, imho.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
It's incredibly ironic that some people don't see the hypocrisy in chastising other people for not agreeing with them or having an open mind/being progressive.
Like, "Let people do and think what they want, but if you don't think so too then fuck you!"
Well that's an entire can of worms, isn't it?
No
At what point are you to be called a woman?
At the point they identify as one
What makes someone a woman?
Their brain
Is it which gender the person identifies with or is it what you're born with?
Both, since gender is the brain, not the rest of the body
Can someone really change their outward and to an extent inward form and change their gender?
Gender is not changeable. Primary and secondary sexual characteristics are.
Infinite Justice
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Always heard rumors about it but its interesting to see it confirmed
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Is Cloud Atlas coming out soon or something? I've never heard about this movie until this thread. :/
zoleristec
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Looks like a juggalo with that pink hair.
freenudemacusers
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lol is this serious
and its always treated the same way. BAN BAN BAN BAN screams instead of trying to say hey this is why you shouldnt say A or B.
The ones who preach tolerance tend to be the most intolerant
It's the Chick-Fil-A thread all over again.
When have women ever been referred to as "he" or "him"?
While there ARE surgeries, most people go with Voice Therapy since the surgery is risky and not that good
It is impressive what a human can do with their voice with a little training
Example 1 - Cisgender Male singing boith voices in Aladdin's A Whole New World
Example 2 - Transexual Singer at "Thailand's Got Talent" singing with both her female voice and her male voice
ReBurn
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Be honest GAF.
Doesn't look much different than any other middle-aged woman I've ever seen. I hope she feels more comfortable now.
notworksafe
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It certainly does, but only against approved targets.
Ghost_Protocol
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I'm getting the eff out of this thread right now. EVERYONE should do the same.
RiccochetJ
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I honestly thought the 'official public' transition happened when Speed Racer came out.
You don't understand why people don't like slurs, regardless of the person's intentions?
JeTmAn81
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Typically when they were born with a Y chromosome. It's disingenuous to act like everyone is on the exact same page with this issue. It's pretty complex.
THIS.
metalslimer
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Let me guess? GAF is so bigoted against bigoted people right?!
Edit: You wouldn't happen to have example of these so called bigotry allowed groups?
No you don't fit in here. Get over it.
TheChewyWaffles
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Apparently if you think sex changes are gross you don't fit in here. Way to be inclusive, GAF.
I'll be honest... I honestly forgot that she was Larry previously. /shrug I guess I've known her as Lana for so long that I never really saw her as anything but that. Also, while I do understand the reason behind the need to publicize it, I can't but FEEL like we should be way passed caring about whether someone was born something or not. I doubt anyone in this thread is going to actually have any sort of relations with her, so I'm not sure why any of us should care. That's my thoughts on the matter.
Remember that a large part of GAF thinks that anyone who's not a supermodel with a flawless face and body is gross.
By that standard, she is gross.
I don't personally feel that way, as I am attracted to many women that don't stack up to that standard. But even then, there are those who I don't find attractive... Lana being one of them.
In that pic with the blonde hair, I wouldn't have been able to tell she was transgendered, but I would still have found her unattractive. Someone else might be attracted to her, but I wouldn[t have been. We are all free to consider others unattractive... and vice versa.
TheChewyWaffles
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I can understand this viewpoint, but I'm glad that there are more well-known, well-respected transgendered people in the public eye, if only so they can serve as role models and hope to others.
SquiddyCracker
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GAF is not inclusive of a lot of things
Bigots of various types are in that category.
It's not complex, and if you aren't on the same page you're likely a bigot. At the very least you shouldn't feel compelled to share your opinion without any prompting.
metalslimer
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Religious people are not allowed to express bigoted views.
Heres a primer: Trans women are women so you use feminine pronouns. Trans men are men so you use masculine pronouns.
TheChewyWaffles
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GAF is not inclusive of a lot of things
Bigots of various types are in that category.
Let's define personal preference and bigotry please.
If someone has personal preferences against a lifestyle that does not mean the same thing as bigoted. The worst goddamn conflation of definitions I've ever seen.
Ingueferroque
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Please, don't group us together like that.
Exterminieren
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Good for her.
On a side note... While there's a fuckload more work to do, GAF has got noticeably more tolerant in the last few years.
On a side note... While there's a fuckload more work to do, GAF has got noticeably more tolerant in the last few years.
I'm pretty much of the same mind.
I just make the mistakes of reading comments made on the various news sites reporting the story and get really worked up really fast. I don't know why I'm still so surprised at the level of blatant bigotry that's still openly tolerated in most circles concerning anything having to do with GLBT people or issues.
Still a long way to go unfortunately.
metalslimer
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This is the same view people take to say gay people are "gross", and before you say they don't have a choice like trans people getting operatons gay people choose to act on their feelings.
Considering scientific, medical and even antropological views (or whatever you want to call the group of studies that fits Gender Studies) on the issue, no it is pretty simple.
Are you a Creationist ?
http://cisnews.tumblr.com/
freenudemacusers
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nobody cares about your 'personal perferences against a lifestyle' is the issue. you might just want to scroll away. and i'm not saying that in a glib manner. i'm saving an accounts life!
SouthernDragon
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Good on her. Thank goodness we have the technology to make this possible.
SquiddyCracker
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Fair enough, but it's not like you can actually express that personal preference without coming of as a bigot.
People are free to hold these opinions, and even express them to a degree, but once you start to throw in words like "gross" when speaking of a transgendered woman (might have just been the looks, but it read like a reference to her status as a transgendered woman) you've kinda crossed the line from the expression of a personal preference into bigotry.
Saying that a sex change is gross is debatable, but as we're dealing with a relatively powerless group I'm guessing the mods are extra harsh in order to deter potential bigoted speech on the forums.
TheMan
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probably since she was a little kid, from what I've read about the experiences of others.
regardless of her sexual organs, i'm hoping cloud atlas turns out well. good sci fi is hard to come by.
Deified Data
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Regardless of your views on the issue, I don't know any trans individual who would like their situation labeled "simple". With all due respect (I can tell you mean well), that's really naive.
The situation is not simple, but every view on the subject on what gender trans people have is pretty simple, specialy comparing the scientific views on terraforming and universe expansion and ther things related to the life on earth.
TheMan
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i don't think this is really true. what i think has really happened is that mods have cracked down on those who openly express bigoted views. people are just afraid to lose their accounts, so they really tone down their remarks or just keep them to themselves.
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