RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
What a legend, she's the best.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Eh, I like her perspective, but just because she's able to identify problems doesn't mean she's equiped to solve them. Look at what happened with Phil.
ByWatterson
Member
I think I'd make a great Babylonian emperor.
sainraja
Member
I mean, MS needs to be able to generate money with Game Pass for the service to be able to continue. If the monthly charges are not covering the cost of running the service (even if MS and their wallet can sustain it), they need the service to reach that point sooner rather than later (w/out training wheels). So for those that like the service, why are you being shy about actually having to pay for it? lol
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Cost vs value conversations are fine to have, and GP is very quickly approaching an imbalance the other way.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
yeah, I play 5-6 games a year and $360 a year to never own it, makes little sense to me.
Very few of the games I play ever end up on Gamepass. It's been far more cost effective to buy the games on Steam sales.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Phil create problems, so he can hardly be the one to fix them.
Gaelyon
Member
I don't think Phil Spencer is anymore in charge of X-box, in the sense he's not driving the strategy anymore. He's responsible for the situation but after the Activision Blizzard deal, the board realized Gamepass is a failed experiment that will never be profitable with the current prices and day one offer.
Since then it's a painful pivot that seem like a slow motion crash test.
Since then it's a painful pivot that seem like a slow motion crash test.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
Almost everybody to Xbox and Micro$oft right now…
Sanepar
Member
It is really easy to solve. Shutdown gamepass and cloud. Focus ALL resources to make a Variety of great games emulating the Golden age of Xbox(2004-2008). Pure Focus on games not this bullshit of features and services. They would lead this industry.
bighugeguns
Gold Member
If people don't want to pony up the extra dosh to keep them in the black, was it even a good idea to begin with?
Maybe they just got over eager with expenses, this doesn't magically make the model not the future.
There's a lot of xbox studios / partner studios that won't be able to stand on their own feet without Gamepass, they won't, they just won't. They don't have the raw talent to stand without this rental service.
Hope the people cheering on the destruction of the service understands how many xbox / associate blue hairs are going to be ejected from their jobs over this. Bad vibes.
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ecosse_011172
Gold Member
Good video, didn't know her but she really knows her stuff.
However, "building your identity around a brand" gets some serious side-eye action from me.
Also, "losing the support of ever loyal press" - Press should never be "loyal", they should be objective.
And "Zuckerberg" but "Elon"
However, "building your identity around a brand" gets some serious side-eye action from me.
Also, "losing the support of ever loyal press" - Press should never be "loyal", they should be objective.
And "Zuckerberg" but "Elon"
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Eye, she's a good lass
ecosse_011172
Gold Member
Is that the case?
I remember the 5 billion headline but is it still unprofitable?
Hemingwayoffbase
Member
Xbox is a prime example of what happens when you try to disrupt an industry and fail.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The thing about GP price hikes is that it looks bad compared to those $1 or 1 month top up promos.
GPU ultimate right now wouldn't look so bad if they never had those crazy deals and everyone from the beginning had to pay let's say $15-20/month for gpu straight up. Similar to paying for Netflix where there are no weird promos where you buy the cheapest plan but but for $1 can top up to the premium plan.
I'd love it if Ms still did it. I did 3 years of GPU with $1 top up, and then 3 more with 1 month top up. Now it's done so the conversion was 2:1 when I did it in the summer. So even when splitting the cost 50/50 with a buddy, our monthly cost doing the math is now more pricey than before as the base comparison is always to the crazy $1 top ups back around 2000-2022
GPU ultimate right now wouldn't look so bad if they never had those crazy deals and everyone from the beginning had to pay let's say $15-20/month for gpu straight up. Similar to paying for Netflix where there are no weird promos where you buy the cheapest plan but but for $1 can top up to the premium plan.
I'd love it if Ms still did it. I did 3 years of GPU with $1 top up, and then 3 more with 1 month top up. Now it's done so the conversion was 2:1 when I did it in the summer. So even when splitting the cost 50/50 with a buddy, our monthly cost doing the math is now more pricey than before as the base comparison is always to the crazy $1 top ups back around 2000-2022
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Xbox was founded by people that understood the business. That was clear. The first Xbox console was an amazing piece of hardware with great exclusives and set the tone of what the brand was all about. Xbox 360 was a continuation of that.
How they went from that to "Xbox is everywhere, you can play anywhere. We are everything and nothing at the same time" and Gamepass i will never know.
Shame these people were replaced by suits and corporate people.
How they went from that to "Xbox is everywhere, you can play anywhere. We are everything and nothing at the same time" and Gamepass i will never know.
Shame these people were replaced by suits and corporate people.
Sethbacca
Member
I think they realized they weren't going to be able to take over the livingroom via hardware after the whole XBone "TV TV TV" failure reveal. The subscription service push just matches every other aspect of their business at this point.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Xbox happened because Microsoft were paranoid about Sony dominating the living room, they were particularly paranoid when Sony teamed up with IBM for Cell, so they doubled their efforts with 360.
That didn't pan out, now Xbox has no value to Microsoft.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
If only it was that easy.
The original Xbox lost a lot of money, and the 360 was designed from day one to be cost efficient. At some point Microsoft released dedicated consoe platforms are difficult to turn profitable, henee why they are focusing on Gamepass on PC.
The TV services made sense at the time at the emergence of streaming and cord-cutting and it's not like Microsoft failed to focus on games with the Xbox One had plenty of. The mistake they made was including a HDMI input on the console, people were ready to drop their cable box for a streaming/OTT service instead.
DirtInUrEye
Member
Even though they long moved on (like the rest of us), I bet Ed Fries and Seamus Blackley must be utterly gutted about what has happened to Xbox.
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bighugeguns
Gold Member
I dont know about that, their streaming is only available in certain markets, seems like a contraction if that's their bet.
PauloRoberto
Member
Including MS itself, given all the recent (and not so recent) decisions.Almost everybody to Xbox and Micro$oft right now…
RetroGamingUK
Member
So cost efficient they had to replace them all after RROD
mitch1971
Member
On one hand companies are trying to FOMO you into sticking with one or two big games as a service, yet with the same hand putting out ever increasing priced subscription services with a ton of games you can't possible play through. It's like two snakes munching on each others' tale.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
One and done.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Almost everybody to Xbox and Micro$oft right now…
Sebastian1295
Member
She makes high quality content. I appreciate youtubers like her who take time making videos and don't just spam you with trash endlessly daily.
sainraja
Member
The main thing the service offers is games. They will continue to come as long as MS is able to make the service healthy enough to run on its own basically. But yeah, if people are not seeing value in what is being offered, they need to fix that.
I am not really sure. But given the types of changes being made to Game Pass, it suggests that it is not quite there yet or perhaps isn't making enough to make a huge difference. Who knows.
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Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
OLED_Gamer
Member
Her take is correct but that would be out of favour with what Nadella requires. Nadella wants hard and fast revenue growth yesterday.
Yes- Nadella is the problem.
Yes- Nadella is the problem.
Plague Doctor
Member
It's amazing the leadership (and tangentially creative talents) that was in the industry once upon a time that either moved on or were pushed out and still around doing different things.
Now we have clowns. Only clowns.
Now we have clowns. Only clowns.
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Sanepar
Member
It is and they never tried again. They tried besides that. Nintendo and Sony lead this industry because of Variety of high quality games. Just that. All the rest is bullshit.
LectureMaster
Has Man Musk
Not shit, surely they know that their fans would want this.
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Dr Bass
Member
Phil does not know what the problems are.
He literally said making great games for their platform wouldn't help.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Phil did. Then the business changed and he adapted poorly.
And that comment was him covering for the fact that their first party studios weren't releasing anything. But he was also right. Xbox is beyond being saved by a few great games here and there. They've had those. There are bigger problems in their business that just releasing good games isn't going to fix.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
What are you talking about? Aaron Greenberg is still there lol
Topher
Identifies as young
digoutyoursoul
Member
She seems a cool person to me, has self awareness and foresight.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
GamePass would've never been greenlit in Moore/Fryer days because they can actually count money and they understand how people are consuming gaming content.
The whole shtick was misguided from the start and COVID spike just skewed the data enoguh to fuck-up all strategies in all companies (GaaS for Sony and heavy XGP pivot for Xbox). The difference is that Sony always had the paying audience to make up for GaaS foobar, while whole Xbox became a hostage of a GP sand castle.
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Dr Bass
Member
The core issue since Phil took over was not enough great games. That should have been the focus from day one. Acting like it's "too late' for that now ignores the fact he has been doing a terrible job for a decade.
No problem is going to be fixed overnight, but you don't believe that if they had kept the hardware at the same price, gotten rid of game pass, and started releasing great games at the same cadence of Nintendo and Sony that they wouldn't be competing? And I mean truly great games, not whatever crap MS is trying to sell as their version of "great" right now.
It would take some time but they would get their place back in the market. It's just not a huge industry compared to others they are involved in, so it's not going to be worth the effort for them.