a lot of people aren't going to care if they get premades/solos as long as they get their lane.
thats the important part. make it a check box and not an entirely different queue.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
League of Legends |OT11| going
- Thread starter zkylon
- Start date
a lot of people aren't going to care if they get premades/solos as long as they get their lane.
thats the important part. make it a check box and not an entirely different queue.
♪ draven mix ♪
at work so cant listen but u know, probably terrible like the teemo one
instead of being a separate queue button you now have a checkbox in the normal queue that sends you to the separate solo queue
at work so cant listen but u know, probably terrible like the teemo one
it's literally the same -__-
instead of being a separate queue button you now have a checkbox in the normal queue that sends you to the separate solo queue
Sneaky was literally the first one I asked. Even donated $2 to ask him. Look:
http://www.twitch.tv/c9sneaky/v/42625050?t=01h07m11s
tbh i'm talking more from a design standpoint
i would like there to be like 3 basic lobbies
1 normal subdivided into check boxes for "Blind, Draft"
2 ranked with check boxes for "no premades"
3. aram
im thinking about the clutter.
Mostmanlyman
Member
It is fine better than lux one. It has dance memes like whipping and then drake hotline bling parody.
Draven's voice surprised me i didnt expect him to have a southern type of accent.
i mean ok, league client sucks and needs a new ui, agreed lol
doesn't have anything to do wtih premades or solo queue tho, that applies to runes and masteries, skin shop, champion info, etc.
honestly i think solo queue is a dumb idea and rito should've just said nuke it like they nuked dominion
Stone Ocean
Member
My point is "words are cheap, stream viewers are not".
the problem isn't the number of roles, it's the distribution and the irrelevancy of your primary role
like if i pick mid primary i expect to play more mid than anything else
that's what primary means or implies or whatever
it should be 51% of the times mid at worst
instead it's been more like 25% of the times mid
that's terrible in every possible way and forces you to premade which is fine but basically means i can never play solo ever again
like if i pick mid primary i expect to play more mid than anything else
that's what primary means or implies or whatever
it should be 51% of the times mid at worst
instead it's been more like 25% of the times mid
that's terrible in every possible way and forces you to premade which is fine but basically means i can never play solo ever again
But if you wanted mid that bad you should just queue up for mid.
No algorithm needed if you can just pick the roles you want to queue up as. Support, mid, top, and ADC? Well, the first one that needs one of those roles, queue pop. Eh, I feel like mid this game. Then you'll wait for mid to be open.
Solves literally all problems. If you only want one role, then wait. ez.
No algorithm needed if you can just pick the roles you want to queue up as. Support, mid, top, and ADC? Well, the first one that needs one of those roles, queue pop. Eh, I feel like mid this game. Then you'll wait for mid to be open.
Solves literally all problems. If you only want one role, then wait. ez.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
u never played teambuilder then lmfao
Hydrophobic
Member
In fairness, I've heard that businesses shouldn't just try to give customers what they want but also things they don't even know they want. Whether or not we want all the things Riot tries is a different question, but it's good that they're at least trying to do some things we weren't expecting.
Remember the waiting times in team builder? That's in line with what you can expect if you got to only choose one role.
Then don't choose one role.
When you're going top, and down bot there is a lv.1 fight in which your team gives up first blood, and a second death (and only collects one kill)
"Okay, that happens..."
And then for the next ten minutes what constantly seemed like endless teamfighting among mid and bot (in which the enemy team was racking up kills) while you're just trying to hold top lane (meanwhile I'm pushed to my tower during this whole time farming safely while my opponent just keeps pushing)... Just sad times.
"Okay, that happens..."
And then for the next ten minutes what constantly seemed like endless teamfighting among mid and bot (in which the enemy team was racking up kills) while you're just trying to hold top lane (meanwhile I'm pushed to my tower during this whole time farming safely while my opponent just keeps pushing)... Just sad times.
Orochinagis
Member
Eh....I dunno, I still find people who says I dont knot how to play this role I am gonna troll or Top/mid players in support role
PhillipCostigan
Member
no thanks
nah, mine was never ranked so can't. Don't you have another smurf tho?
Sounds good, I'll hit you up
powerdrain
Member
Finally think I'm done with League for a while. I've been playing it for a year now and I wouldn't say it's been fun but a moderately enjoyable way to waste time, and I've pumped a lot of money into it for cosmetics and shit, but it's just no longer fun anymore when I get on massive losing streaks, or try and better myself by assessing what I can do better or using Youtube and other resources, then it goes to shit when my teammates throw games or I feed the enemy with one or two kills and get lambasted with toxicity from kids who're playing past their bed time and then they want to forfeit cause they're losing and their mum's shouting that they're going to be late for school.
I've not really got anyone reliable I can lobby with on ranked either, and I was hoping to at least get back to Gold V like I was last season but it seems impossible at this point. I really can't be bothered.
Street Fighter's out next week so I can invest in that like I did with SFIV instead, and if I lose there at least it's completely on my own skill and wrongdoing.
I've not really got anyone reliable I can lobby with on ranked either, and I was hoping to at least get back to Gold V like I was last season but it seems impossible at this point. I really can't be bothered.
Street Fighter's out next week so I can invest in that like I did with SFIV instead, and if I lose there at least it's completely on my own skill and wrongdoing.
I don't understand why people in this thread keep saying they don't understand this!
Riot will never allow you to queue for just one role because it would be optimal for ranked play and so everybody would do it and it would be team builder again. The entire rest of the queuing system would be irrelevant. People will always do the thing that improves their odds of winning even if the player experience sucks.
The whole reason they decided you need at least two roles was because otherwise queue times would be much worse (because queue times are gated by the population of the least popular role).
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Ouch, that sucks.
Personally, I haven't had a single one of those cases so far, which is a huge improvement.
my options under ur system r long q times or not ever playing mid
that still sucks for me
Has the role percentage really been that bad for mid? I've been doing Support as my primary for the vast majority my games and just about every game i've gotten it with ADC being my secondary. I've played with people that have top, adc, and jungle as their primaries quite a bit too and they've always gotten those the vast majority of the time. I've yet to see anyone link their match history after saying "I've gotten my secondary as much as my primary".
Yeah it's pretty bad. Whenever I play normals with a friend, we always queue in a way where 1 of will always get mid, and then he trades it to me if he gets it. Otherwise there's quite a high chance I won't get mid. Kinda sucks.
The majority of my games have been both tank and splitpush heavy since the new season started. I've been seeing zz rot in a lot of them too.
the problem with the "queue for how many roles you want" thing is that i don't mind supporting, i wouldn't even mind supporting like 40% of the times or a big number like that
i just don't want to support 75% of the times and i don't want to have teambuilder queue times
some solutions/ideas:
- make it a bit slower for everyone to increase matchmaking quality
- make a priority system that puts ppl on the front of the role queue if they've had a long streak of getting their secondary
- show you the role you're gonna get before asking you to join a match so it allows you to say "i'll just wait a little while longer". this could be capped at 2 or 3 times to hurt queue times as little as possible
- raise primary priority so that jerks using mid as their secondary to guarantee their primary don't have to do that
idk
1 top
3 supp
1 mid
that's not counting probably 3 or 4 more times i got support but someone forgot to pick so the game was dodged
since then i've just done 3+ premades exclusively and i've gotten mid most of the times
i just don't want to support 75% of the times and i don't want to have teambuilder queue times
some solutions/ideas:
- make it a bit slower for everyone to increase matchmaking quality
- make a priority system that puts ppl on the front of the role queue if they've had a long streak of getting their secondary
- show you the role you're gonna get before asking you to join a match so it allows you to say "i'll just wait a little while longer". this could be capped at 2 or 3 times to hurt queue times as little as possible
- raise primary priority so that jerks using mid as their secondary to guarantee their primary don't have to do that
idk
i didn't really play much solo queue cos i quit once i saw how it was working but this were my results from 5 games:
1 top
3 supp
1 mid
that's not counting probably 3 or 4 more times i got support but someone forgot to pick so the game was dodged
since then i've just done 3+ premades exclusively and i've gotten mid most of the times
Was this when the system first went live? They fine tuned some things because they weren't getting the numbers they wanted.
a system that screws one role and one of the most popular at it is not a successful system
you can get around it playing premade but yeah, not great
idk, my experience with it was so bad so it's been a while
i tend to have a weird view of the game since i play so much ranked 5s so i only have like half the players to get a feel of the meta from
you can get around it playing premade but yeah, not great
mid is popular cos everyone is using it to get their role because this system doesn't really care about primary or secondary and just gives you the first one it finds free which is never mid cos everyone is trying to game it as well as rito doing poor tuning of it
i can't remember but i don't play on na server so i got dynamic queue after some iterations, so probably not?
idk, my experience with it was so bad so it's been a while
interesting
i tend to have a weird view of the game since i play so much ranked 5s so i only have like half the players to get a feel of the meta from
Honestly I would mostly just like Riot to explain their thought process behind primary/secondary prioritization better. This is one area which is really opaque right now. I assume that this is because only like three backend engineers understand it well but I think at least knowing how Riot intends this to work (even if their answer is "screw you, don't choose support secondary") would help.
i mean i'm not gonna say it's easy to do a working system that leaves everyone happy and i actually prefer this system to before since i can now play draft with my friends (since we don't have normals draft in south america) as long as they're not too sucky but u know, i can't say it works when it doesn't
that's why i'm so weirded out by this solo queue thing, how much will this fragment the community and how negative will its effects be just so some ppl can 1v9
cos at least as a premade we can arrange things so i always get mid but solo queue will just be impossible if current system is any indication
that's why i'm so weirded out by this solo queue thing, how much will this fragment the community and how negative will its effects be just so some ppl can 1v9
cos at least as a premade we can arrange things so i always get mid but solo queue will just be impossible if current system is any indication
When I was queuing jungle/support I got support 7/9 times I tried it. Ever since I either go jungle/mid or jungle/top and I've gotten jungle 5/6 times. Even if I happen to get a secondary I just leave and queue up again after the timer is done and get jungle.
Orochinagis
Member
Maybe is a LAN issue but the good thing is I stop seeing nidalee supps
I didnt know SFIV was out next week. Been waiting on that one. If you are on PS4 hit me up. psn sandboxgod
Popularity of roles? That would be Mid > Top > Jungle > ADC > Support
When team builder existed, Support took forever but next to that it was ADC role
Ghost is Bad
Banned
that feel when you level 1 invade, make j4 start w, kill kog maw anyways and then steal gromp from j4
This is probably right. ADC was a bit more popular after the rework, but after nerfs are being handed out, it's going back down.
It's more like
Mid > Top > Jungle = ADC > Support
Ghost is Bad
Banned
could probably duo with u on lubricatedowl69
5 games of primary top and secondary support and being 100% support of time. I'm simply never queuing as support as again. I might as well got primary top and secondary mid so I can maybe actually get top.
edit: Got top on first try. Thank you for showing me the light Zky.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
o yeah disgusting gromp steal on j4 here
http://www.replay.gg/search/na/ghost on bnet#2095691925
http://www.replay.gg/search/na/ghost on bnet#2095691925