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Why didn't you build a rylai? Sounds like someone's...not a team player.
Obviously they wanted you to build liandrys.
Meddler trolling zkylon here:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.co...uestions?comment=0005000000000000000000010000
meddler said:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.co...uestions?comment=0005000000000000000000010000
Yeah. I really have to watch the video to get his context but from what I see it's just a combo of very simple mechanical champions with some sort of silver bullet - team initiation, lane bully, super strong CC, etc.
My guess is he believes that people in bronze and silver are there because they can't handle the mechanics of the more complex champions. That's really short sighted. Im sure that's the case for some but frankly I believe the greater deficit is the decision making that revolves around game knowledge. Even the most complex lol champ is less complex than say a fighting game. What I see in bronze and silver all the time is - questionable item builds, poor objective control, bad trades, bad all ins, failing to make the most of your time, milling around without knowing what to do.
Maybe his argument is a simple champion gives you more leeway to make those types of decisions but again, will have to watch to find out.
Though based on other coaching videos he has, he doesn't explain it very well anyways.
Stone Ocean
Member
Rylai Kayle is legit
Mostmanlyman
Member
Yeah it is super scary but she need rageblade first
I know that if I were being paid to teach someone anything, I'd laugh at them and tell them they're terrible. Seems like a sensible approach to teaching.
(Tier list is crap)
rito gave me most of what i was asking for when they reduced athenes and morellos prices
zhonyas is still really dumb and rito pretending ad items aren't an issue when maw and steak are making games have anywhere from 3 to 5 adcs is also very dumb
Mostmanlyman
Member
Yeah.
Remember i was in a ranked match and i had hovered over quinn and our jungle was hovering over graves jg and our mid laner freaked out say we had no tanks and that 3ADC is bad. I still picked quinn but graves switched.
Black-Wind
Member
I think I have to be done with Bot Lane.
I mean, daaaamn ... so tired of shitty supports.
Someone picked Thresh and apparently had the option to be Nut-the-blitz (Who I'm SURE is far easier to use) or Nami ... but they picked Thresh. Fucker is wiggling behind me, can't land a hook, not harassing anyone and over all can't make basic Thresh plays (cause he's not even trying to hook people and when he does it misses by a damn mile). I don't think I saw him use one skill outter than those Hook misses and one lantern. I ask him why did he pick Thresh seeing as he doesn't seem to know wtf to do and he starts getting salty. It's one thing if you're new to a champ, just give people a heads up... just please don't treat your ADC like a meat shield that's supposed to be between you and the enemy most of the time :/
I'm tired of this shit, having to roll the dice on team members is bad enuff ... having to roll the dice on who will basically help carry you outta the laning phase is just too much. Too many supports at my noob level seem to think that they're some porcelain doll that's just there to look pretty and not be touched.
Guess I should just get Tryndamere and a caster so that I can start putting top as my secondary to Mid (a caster cause Top Lane seems to be the most random assortment of bs counter picks. I normally don't like to top cause I thought it lonely and full of tanks but really it's just a box of chocolates up there. Here's a Teemo to gimp your melee Tank. Here's an EZ or Jhin cause why not? Here's a Xerath or LB ... anything goes).
And I don't think I'm gonna pick up Talon. If I come across a Galio I'm gonna try to counter him with Trist. Might not be the best plan but he's Melee so I'd have that advantage...
I mean, daaaamn ... so tired of shitty supports.
Someone picked Thresh and apparently had the option to be Nut-the-blitz (Who I'm SURE is far easier to use) or Nami ... but they picked Thresh. Fucker is wiggling behind me, can't land a hook, not harassing anyone and over all can't make basic Thresh plays (cause he's not even trying to hook people and when he does it misses by a damn mile). I don't think I saw him use one skill outter than those Hook misses and one lantern. I ask him why did he pick Thresh seeing as he doesn't seem to know wtf to do and he starts getting salty. It's one thing if you're new to a champ, just give people a heads up... just please don't treat your ADC like a meat shield that's supposed to be between you and the enemy most of the time :/
I'm tired of this shit, having to roll the dice on team members is bad enuff ... having to roll the dice on who will basically help carry you outta the laning phase is just too much. Too many supports at my noob level seem to think that they're some porcelain doll that's just there to look pretty and not be touched.
Guess I should just get Tryndamere and a caster so that I can start putting top as my secondary to Mid (a caster cause Top Lane seems to be the most random assortment of bs counter picks. I normally don't like to top cause I thought it lonely and full of tanks but really it's just a box of chocolates up there. Here's a Teemo to gimp your melee Tank. Here's an EZ or Jhin cause why not? Here's a Xerath or LB ... anything goes).
And I don't think I'm gonna pick up Talon. If I come across a Galio I'm gonna try to counter him with Trist. Might not be the best plan but he's Melee so I'd have that advantage...
talon gets countered by a pink ward and an exhaust so no
you're making it sound like it's a midlane problem tho
problem is graves or quinn buy maw and steak and get super hard to kill and still can oneshot you
Zed ult can also be countered by exhaust. Zed also can't kill people before they know what happened since his ult damage is on a delay, unless he's so massively ahead that he has IE and kills with a crit or something.
Annie and Veigar do large burst damage if they're ahead, if you're looking for burst mages.
i'd say the itemization is still a core problem for mid lane. you can't build bursty enough quick enough to counter those items. if you could then it wouldn't be a problem, but you know a 100ap item has to cost 3500g for some reason.
NihonTiger90
Member
Where you at in ranked? I'm no perfect support (still learning) but I know enough that I could help. Except I'm stuck right now in low Bronze. :/
Mostmanlyman
Member
Yeah i love having to go an item made for ADs on a mage.
the problems here are:
- maw/steak too gold efficient
- lots of individually op adcs like graves, quinn, corki, lucian and now kogmaw
- ap items got left in the dust when they raised their costs cos they just made them more expensive, they didn't clean up combine costs or build paths for legendaries and they sure as hell didn't introduce advanced items that would help that out (like aether wisp or the morello mp5 cdr thingie)
- zhonyas got hurt the most out of this because the price is too high, the build path is horrible and it overall ruins your entire game. it's better to buy qss or just die repeatedly to zed than buying this pos item
- zed is then op thanks to maw/youmuus being so strong and zhonyas being so bad
- also roa and abyssal are too cost efficient for some unknown reason despite being boring items compared to morellos/athenes (which aren't amazing anyways)
- swiffies meta also really hurt midlaners cos everyone is so fucking fast nowadays that it's hard to land cc and keep baddies away
probably more stuff i can't remember
tldr is, maw op, sterak op, zhonyas is garbage and most ap items need buildpath cleanups.
for starters nerf that shit, then we'll see about fixing midlane
Black-Wind
Member
the build path for zhonyas is supposed to be garbage, given it has one of the best actives in the game, but yea the main cost is too much
GAF is rubbing off on him lol
GAF is rubbing off on him lol
Mostmanlyman
Member
It only gets worst
I'm currently level 27 sooo basically potato rank
if you're in NA, I could play with you on my alt. i'm leveling it up anyway.
I wish I was better at kalista. She is lots of fun to play. I just have trouble making her work for me.
Peanut Butter
Member
Luck Fux
Also the problem is that getting marksmen out of the bot lane was clearly an initiative at Riot recently and they succeeded but in order to make sure it worked they were all way overturned and dominant in whatever role.
It's good to disentangle class from role (I guess, although it does kind of make me wonder whether the heavy ADC mechanics practice really transfers to like Mordekaiser), but they need to balance afterwards.
It's good to disentangle class from role (I guess, although it does kind of make me wonder whether the heavy ADC mechanics practice really transfers to like Mordekaiser), but they need to balance afterwards.
Mostmanlyman
Member
Yeah she is one of those champs that i will never buy or play.
The only annoying thing about Lux imo is how easy it is for her to hit her E in lane. If she doesn't mess up, it's very easy to land.
no?
that doesn't make any sense, why should it be garbage
skill requirement doesn't mean anything, a champion is either problematic or not, it doesn't matter if it's low elo or competitive if you're causing trouble you gotta go
that's why ahri or lux or janna are allowed to go unchecked for so long, no one actually complains about them cos they're not nearly as obnoxious as someone like zed or nidalee or tk or whatever
ryze or azir or lb are shit at anything below competitive yet they're still gonna get nerfed
skill requirement is not something that should be considered at all
edit: btw i whine about janna cos she's annoying and boring but u know, most ppl don't
and that's only annoying cos she gets easy thunderlord procs thanks to her passive
lux is 100% meta aligned and would be a perfectly harmless champion otherwise
She's way too safe. Easy to land binding, long range autos, long range aoe attack, long range ult. A lux can and should be almost ungankable without diving. Take exhaust and even zed will have trouble killing her.
Orochinagis
Member
Our support Lux complained she was reacting slow cuz she is a support, build AP ignoring all support items and proceeded to carry the early game by killing the enemy mid (in the mid lane) and left bot lane, making our cait commit sepukku
Idk what you're smoking, Lux is extremely problematic right now. Zed isn't problematic at all. He has a like a strong early game and then people build QSS and he's done.
If anything, the game should remain in it's current state regarding midlane. Champions like Lux and Ahri need stuff to keep them in check, even if it's artificial.
If anything, the game should remain in it's current state regarding midlane. Champions like Lux and Ahri need stuff to keep them in check, even if it's artificial.
Lol of course I am joking you are diamond so you gotta be good.
I am silver now and I could tell you wasn't srs about the match since it was normals. My sejuani has more than a 70 win rate but that yi was something I have never seen before. I was hoping it would be a longer game so I could actually snowball but nah.
Also they got carried if it wasn't for that yi
Nah, fuck Zed. Forces you to take exhaust and build a terrible item first. If you don't he'll hit you once with his W E Q combo after missing it 10 times and the next time he'll all in you because he doesn't have mana costs. I wouldn't mind if his W E Q combo wasn't so obnoxious.
Mostmanlyman
Member
Fuck both zed and lux
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Mid tiers:
1. Lux
2. Yasuo
3. Zed
1. Lux
2. Yasuo
3. Zed
The alternative is a undodgeable E from Lux though. Unlike Zed, Lux doesn't have itemization that shuts her down nearly as hard.
Maybe Zhonya's is too expensive right now, but the game wasn't fun when it was dirt cheap.
I think the game will be in pretty good state when they nerf Ez, Quinn and Kog'Maw.
Oh it's not the problem with buying Zhonyas, I just dislike Seekers as an item.
Stone Ocean
Member
I wouldn't mind Zed as much if his laning wasn't so bloody safe. Even Fizz has to take some risks pre 6
how is she problematic?
zed literally kills you repeatedly the second he gets 6 if you don't have easy to land cc because there's not itemization to counter him but he has perfect itemization to counter you
safe, manaless, short cd ult for how strong it is and itemization favors him tremendously. he's still zed later in the game and he's fairly easy to deal with if not absurdly fed but still, his laning is absolutely bullshit right now
undodgeable on a 10s cd that deals the least dmg out of any midlaner's main nuke
on a champion that you can just run at and kill cos she's slow and all her spells are skillshots