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Infinite_Daremo
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http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/05/519-pbe-update.html
Razor Shuriken (Q)
Base damage lowered to 70/105/140/175/210 from 75/115/155/195/235
AD ratio reduced to .9 from 1.0
Damage on Multi hit on same target changed to 75% from 50%
Death Mark (R)
Proc damage increased to 30/40/50% from 25/35/45%
AD ratio lowered to .5 from 1.0
Zed nerf'd... finally!
Razor Shuriken (Q)
Base damage lowered to 70/105/140/175/210 from 75/115/155/195/235
AD ratio reduced to .9 from 1.0
Damage on Multi hit on same target changed to 75% from 50%
Death Mark (R)
Proc damage increased to 30/40/50% from 25/35/45%
AD ratio lowered to .5 from 1.0
Zed nerf'd... finally!
Dreams-Visions
Member
Sometimes I wonder what sort of analytical data and simulation software Riot has when they release some of these changes.
Wolf Akela
Member
So I was browsing the shop to buy all T2 runes when I noticed there aren't any T2 Spellvamp Quints. I thought Riot removed it along with the Spellvamp from items so I googled "lol spellvamp runes removed" and ended up in this treasure of a topic:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.co...-i-do-not-approve-of-your-removing-spell-vamp
I mean, out of all champions to complain about Spellvamp removal, it's Morgana.
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.co...-i-do-not-approve-of-your-removing-spell-vamp
I mean, out of all champions to complain about Spellvamp removal, it's Morgana.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
What would be better on Swain
Deathfire keystone or Thunderlords.....
hmm...
someone do the math for me.
Deathfire keystone or Thunderlords.....
hmm...
someone do the math for me.
It depends a bit on how much AP you're gonna get. DFT doesn't scale with levels after all.
I haven't done any math but my gut says Thunderlord's is better.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah it probably is for that extra burst, especially since the reduced effectiveness of deathlords on DoTS
You can proc thunderlord's with a single Q now too, right? That's great for short trades.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah. I was surprised by it yesterday. I guess fixing the Liandry/Rylais bug, they fixed that too.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
lmao this is the conclusion a renekton main comes to
Hehe I'll be playing all day long tomorrow with the ip bonus
Edit: there will be bonus ip for urf as well? Right?
Riot turning into a buncha memers
I like the cheeky volibear upvote
Stone Ocean
Member
OP champions either get banned and picked by shitters thinking they're OP which clouds how good they actually are or fly under the radar because they're not popular at the time or there are bigger problems requiring bans - hello Lucian and Nidalee - and just shit on the few games they show up, taking up months until they ultimately get too popular to ignore and actually nerfed.
I don't see the value in screwing balance for weeks and wasting bans just to get one champion's balance right. See Soraka.
Stone Ocean
Member
I believe their balance team is all Plat and above so for the most part yeah. That said, they do nerf curb stomping champions as well.
Kindred with 11 stacks done at around 22 minutes was disgusting. What a good carry jungle. Helps that everyone in my elo has been disrespecting her damage.
ahh dope. thanks!
ahh dope. thanks!
Stone Ocean
Member
lol reddit is saying the ult never actually hit, that was just the W
Yeah the ult didn't hit I'm pretty sure. God damn.
Orochinagis
Member
How is the new champ? I want to buy her but since I dont touch mid lane I am not sure if I can use her support or in another lane
Stone Ocean
Member
She's poop
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I told you guys she'd be bad
But nooooo Breezy you dont know what youre talking about, Taliyah sounds oppppp, have you seen her wall
Real talki, Taliyah has a weak mid and late game. Her early game is ok, but she falls off incredibly fast.
I can see her being strong in a support role if only for her CC.
But nooooo Breezy you dont know what youre talking about, Taliyah sounds oppppp, have you seen her wall
Real talki, Taliyah has a weak mid and late game. Her early game is ok, but she falls off incredibly fast.
I can see her being strong in a support role if only for her CC.
Stone Ocean
Member
Well I did agree with you for once lol
I don't even know about her early game. Her CC is unreliable and her Q is hard to fully land with minions on the way so she's gonna have trouble by design vs most mid laners. I fully expect her to start getting micro reworks like Illaoi soon, her kit just doesn't really have a flow.
I don't even know about her early game. Her CC is unreliable and her Q is hard to fully land with minions on the way so she's gonna have trouble by design vs most mid laners. I fully expect her to start getting micro reworks like Illaoi soon, her kit just doesn't really have a flow.
Orochinagis
Member
Mmm, I gotta wait when she is 6300 then
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The only thing thatd make her good as a support is her little rock launch and her rock field.
Im pretty sure everyone was going "wow think about the combos! Wow her Q does alotta damage! Wow that ult is strong!"
Pretty sure you were one of them
Ill take a look later lol
After she came out on PBE people soured on her. I called it from the second I saw her skillset.
Just a lackluster skillset that doesnt mesh or work.
She's the new Vel'Koz/Zyra support. When you want to take kills and do more damage than your ADC, you pick her. Her level 3 burst and CC is pretty damn strong. She can help snowball a lane.
Not saying she's a good support overall, but a coordinated duo can really catch opponents off guard. It's tiltworthy.
Maybe it only works in lower ELOs.
SuperBowser
Member
I like her kit and still think she's fun. I see her as a viable support with some buffs.
Currently, the risk/reward ratio for hitting skills in early game could use tuning. If nothing else, Riot could just buff her damage.
Currently, the risk/reward ratio for hitting skills in early game could use tuning. If nothing else, Riot could just buff her damage.
What CC does she have? The knockup is 1 second (compare to Nami's 1.5 seconds) and the slow is both small AND ultra short range. Not building as a tank and getting enemies in your slow field range is asking to get nuked.
If anything, I think Riot could reduce her ult cooldown a lot. That's one of the most unique parts of her kit, it doesn't do damage, and the cooldown is absolutely massive.
Black-Wind
Member
I may have thought she was an awesome concept and I still think her ult is fantastic buuuut I have ALWAYS hated the lil mine field bs.
It's close range, it take time to go off, it doesn't stop people from jumping on you and it's CC is meh. It's like she has a wasted skill that doesn't help her cause she shouldn't want to be in someone's face but she has to be.
Her Q is a great ideal ... but it can be blocked by just standing behind minions yet it's her key dmg skill.
I really have no clue who she's good against in lane. With AS it's the opposition ... he's good against most any ranged champ I've seen and strong as fuck without even trying when he gets rolling. His match up are pretty clear and he can gank lanes while also being good in lane. BUT he doesn't wanna lane against someone with dashes and shit. Pretty clear and simple.
It's close range, it take time to go off, it doesn't stop people from jumping on you and it's CC is meh. It's like she has a wasted skill that doesn't help her cause she shouldn't want to be in someone's face but she has to be.
Her Q is a great ideal ... but it can be blocked by just standing behind minions yet it's her key dmg skill.
I really have no clue who she's good against in lane. With AS it's the opposition ... he's good against most any ranged champ I've seen and strong as fuck without even trying when he gets rolling. His match up are pretty clear and he can gank lanes while also being good in lane. BUT he doesn't wanna lane against someone with dashes and shit. Pretty clear and simple.
She has incredible disengage. She's incredibly strong against a gank. Her slow field + knocking away a target deters most ganks. Her speed up on worked ground means she can get away easier. If she's 6 she can stand between the opponents and her ADC and ride the wall away while making it safe for her ADC.
And her knock up is a knock away, a very important distinction. You can lay down the rock field then if they're still chasing you land an easy knock-away.
It's fine if you don't think she is. I don't think she's that great either. But she's most definitely not garbage and works really well with hyper carries (since her disengage is quite strong) and champions that have early power spikes like Lucian (her burst is also really powerful).
I think the bolded are what I question. The knockaway is slightly mechanically demanding because of the double button press, meaning you have to land a skillshot and then aim it properly while simultaneously running away.
The minefield isn't a disengage, it's merely a kiting tool -- same for Q. R could in theory be disengage but you're a sitting duck while it charges, and it has a 2+ minute cooldown.
Maybe we disagree on terminology? I consider Janna ult to be disengage since it pushes everyone out of the teamfight area. Or Anivia wall that blocks everyone, or Alistar headbutt.
Stone Ocean
Member
Her slow field is garbage and needs to be basically cast at melee range, her W is hard to land - specially since mobility is the name of the game in bot lane - and a delayed wall with mobility everywhere is not really disengage unless you're like vs Udyr or Volibear. She's not stopping anything in mid to close range from jumping at her or her ADC.
"Incredible disengage" is what Zyra, Taric or Janna do, not an unreliable spell that you only get at level 6 and a dodgeable pushback.
"Incredible disengage" is what Zyra, Taric or Janna do, not an unreliable spell that you only get at level 6 and a dodgeable pushback.
I just feel like her kit is pretty janky.
Q is a nice ability design. The scaling on it is actually not great (hitting with all five rocks is equivalent to Swain landing E on you once), although I guess it has a small area effect.
W is a bummer. I get what they're trying to do, which is give her a knockback in any direction, but this implementation makes it hard to tune because it CAN'T be much faster since you need time to recast it. Why is this ability not a drag smartcast? They already invented the UI idiom for this!
E is just a big pile of stuff. Does damage on cast. Is a slow. Does damage if you dash. Does damage if you get knocked directionally (so just landing a W isn't enough, you need to land the W and cast it in the direction of the boulders in the duration of the ability). Does damage AGAIN when it ends. Except that if you're standing in a place where somebody got knocked through or dashed it doesn't do damage. There's nothing elegant about this design. Nor does it feel like a thing an artsy hipster earthweaver, would do. They're just a bunch of little rocks!
The ult is fine but overthought. I get that global terrain creation is a terrifying idea, but they limited it so much that in practice I don't think it does that much. There's a ton of room to push this ability. Also this is the third ability she has that gives her additional movement speed, none of which work together well.
She doesn't have a clean combo. Her big damage is get close, drop E, W enemy through the field. But also there's Q which is clearly a damage spell but not part of her damage combo. Nor does she have a good way to get in close enough to drop E under people.
I dunno, I'm bummed. I love the concept and the character. She must have been hugely broken at some point in design to come out the way she did.
I dunno, she has a 37% win rate according to Daniel Z. Klein. She's not great! By comparison, Swain was at around that win rate and they buffed the living fuck out of him last patch and now apparently he's super dumb again. I'm not sure what point this comparison is trying to convey except get ready for Taliyah's ult to have a 3 second stun added or something.
Q is a nice ability design. The scaling on it is actually not great (hitting with all five rocks is equivalent to Swain landing E on you once), although I guess it has a small area effect.
W is a bummer. I get what they're trying to do, which is give her a knockback in any direction, but this implementation makes it hard to tune because it CAN'T be much faster since you need time to recast it. Why is this ability not a drag smartcast? They already invented the UI idiom for this!
E is just a big pile of stuff. Does damage on cast. Is a slow. Does damage if you dash. Does damage if you get knocked directionally (so just landing a W isn't enough, you need to land the W and cast it in the direction of the boulders in the duration of the ability). Does damage AGAIN when it ends. Except that if you're standing in a place where somebody got knocked through or dashed it doesn't do damage. There's nothing elegant about this design. Nor does it feel like a thing an artsy hipster earthweaver, would do. They're just a bunch of little rocks!
The ult is fine but overthought. I get that global terrain creation is a terrifying idea, but they limited it so much that in practice I don't think it does that much. There's a ton of room to push this ability. Also this is the third ability she has that gives her additional movement speed, none of which work together well.
She doesn't have a clean combo. Her big damage is get close, drop E, W enemy through the field. But also there's Q which is clearly a damage spell but not part of her damage combo. Nor does she have a good way to get in close enough to drop E under people.
I dunno, I'm bummed. I love the concept and the character. She must have been hugely broken at some point in design to come out the way she did.
I dunno, she has a 37% win rate according to Daniel Z. Klein. She's not great! By comparison, Swain was at around that win rate and they buffed the living fuck out of him last patch and now apparently he's super dumb again. I'm not sure what point this comparison is trying to convey except get ready for Taliyah's ult to have a 3 second stun added or something.
To be clear what we're agreeing to disagree about -- are you disagreeing on terminology, saying her slow field / poke is disengage?
Or are you disagreeing on how easy they are?
*edit* A drag smartcast for W would be nice.
Stone Ocean
Member
Nah, Syndra was like that and doesn't have that problem. It's more like they had individual ideas for her kit but didn't really mesh together. Why does worked ground not affect the rest of her kit? Things like that.