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Unless you got 4 support mains queued up with you, right? :^)
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You're right, in the old system people will bitch when you ask for a role and you're last pick, they'll prod and say 'Well looking at your match history, you suck, and since I'm first pick, you get to support. After all, Riot has ordained that pick order is king.' Two people will call for mid, and one of them will troll because they couldn't go mid, or you'll have double jungle because the person who got ADC isn't good and instead of supporting, the other person would rather jungle.
You definitely get get your role more often in this system. I can easily say that over 90% of the games I've had, I've gotten top. In the old system? Well, I had to learn all the other roles somehow. I'd often play support, or jungle, with ADC here and there.
Point is, despite what you say, if you pick say, top for primary and mid for secondary, you're going to get those specific roles every time. Saying "The new system doesn't let you get specific roles more often" is misleading, when you only get those specific roles UNLESS you're D2+ where the autofill system will put you in support here in there.
Yeah, wayback when when you had a known name, usually they would get their role of choice. And yeah, there is no easy solution to high elo queue times/roles because it's such a small population, 2% more or less. The amount of support, even smaller.
The issue with Reddit and people who are complaining, is that they are not a part of this 'elite'. You have tweets by Bjerg or whoever poking fun at other pros getting stuck with support, but honestly even the most mediocre supporting pro is a load better than the best gold support player.
What it boils down to, is that the issue is being conflated by people who are bitter about the changes and want to go back to the good old days. Coming from experience, the old system is markedly worse. Yes, I'm not denying there were games where everyone got their role and it went well. But there was a larger number of games where people would bicker and complain, games that started out with 'I'm not going to let you mid, you have losses in your match history', or bitter bans because the person who called jungle only plays shaco.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. And many of you know, I'm probably one of the biggest critics of Riot, I've voiced my concerns in the past, I criticized wayback when the ADCs were really homogenous, I've criticized that only a few mages are picked, and I will continue to criticize their inaction of nerfing champions like Yorick to the ground(Until the eventual rework, hopefully coming soon.)
I can say with good faith that the Dynamic Queue system is the least problematic thing in the game right now. You have the old guard who hate the new, you have the snipping ferrets over at reddit parroting the old guards hate. But I like this system. I tend to get top or mid, and the queue times at Plat 2 have been less than 2 minutes on average. And that's great.
Nah, considering the support shortage, getting multiple support mains in the same game should be really rare compared to before. They will get more evenly distributed thanks to the new champ select.
No you didn't
I seriously hate to be this guy but I feel like we gotta just wade through the bullshit on this one. you're getting your role quite a bit more this season than last.
This is big too i know a lot of people don't mind support but it's like you're either a support main or don't play it at all in the current state
his most played champion is mid lane this season
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You saw me a few weeks ago
I was gold 5
I'm now Plat 2 on my promos to 1
And I've never had long queue times in all the solo matches I've done. If it's such a problem in silver than....that sounds more like a glitch in a system then what is intended, no? After all Riot said they did hotfix it because queue times were abnormally long.
Nah, you're talking a bit out of your ass here man.
This season.
85% ADC
Last season.
87% ADC
Maybe we can even go with this being random variance in the 2% difference, which is fine. Still though, the new champ select is not really getting me my role more than the old one.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Huh so, looking at my own matches, last season I had a 71% winrate with Swain, this season I also have 71%. And last season was before the buffs~(28 games with Swain last season compared to 39 with Swain this season)
That's amazing. Truly I am the best Swain in the world.
That's amazing. Truly I am the best Swain in the world.
Nah, you're talking a bit out of your ass here man.
This season.
85% ADC
Last season.
87% ADC
Maybe we can even go with this being random variance in the 2% difference, which is fine. Still though, the new champ select is not really getting me my role more than the old one.
edit: nvm
Either way, my argument is that there's not a huge improvement. In the old system, people still got their roles pretty often. I didn't check your math, so I'll just assume the 70% is true. I think 70% primary role rate is pretty damn reasonable to me.
I don't even have a problem with new champ select. The problem is Riot is trying to glue the system with dynamic queue like they're interchangeable or something. The only thing I can really compare it to is the old system after all.
Overall, it just seems Riot tried to fix something that wasn't broken. If people want to play in big premades, why can;t ranked 5 or normal draft be the primary option? Why ruin the solo q experience?
I don't even have a problem with new champ select. The problem is Riot is trying to glue the system with dynamic queue like they're interchangeable or something. The only thing I can really compare it to is the old system after all.
Overall, it just seems Riot tried to fix something that wasn't broken. If people want to play in big premades, why can;t ranked 5 or normal draft be the primary option? Why ruin the solo q experience?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
70% main role is good, sure. You will get a mix of your secondary/third/fourth/fifth in the rest of the 30% of games though. If you're getting 80% main and 20% secondary now, that's even better IMO.
I think the main improvement is that you won't get the random roles you can't play well.
But yeah, New champ select combined with old solo queue would be fine. We almost have that in diamond+ in the close future, only difference is autofill and that you can queue as 3 rather than 2. They might as well revert it to 2.
I think the main improvement is that you won't get the random roles you can't play well.
But yeah, New champ select combined with old solo queue would be fine. We almost have that in diamond+ in the close future, only difference is autofill and that you can queue as 3 rather than 2. They might as well revert it to 2.
Again, yeah I realize it's almost there, but it really just feels like a half assed fix in order to improve the queue times.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
That hash post is hilarious.
duh. That's why you're complaining.
No, just because you say it doesn't make it so.
Then what's the problem?
But what's wrong Hashy? I thought you wanted to go into the old system?
Man, I've seen salt, but Hash is on a whole other level of pity.
duh. That's why you're complaining.
No, just because you say it doesn't make it so.
Then what's the problem?
But what's wrong Hashy? I thought you wanted to go into the old system?
Man, I've seen salt, but Hash is on a whole other level of pity.
Peanut Butter
Member
As someone who plays normal matches 90% of the time, the rhetoric surrounding dynamic queue, role selection changes, etc is all kinds of entertaining.
It might be half assed or not, but at least it's something rather than 3 more months of Soon (tm).
PhillipCostigan
Member
this is about the level they expected tbh. They're not going to waste time making more statements. The air was cleared and now they're working on making the improvements they promised.
Happens, but if you are good enough, you will get out of it. It took me months yoyoing between B5 and B2 until i started to actually contribute and become more of a team player. Now I miss Bronze to be fair because S5 hasn't been kind to me,
Sooner ir later you will play with better people so all you had to do is dominate your lane and help others.
As someone who have been traumatised as Kindred Jungle, I think the problem is that Kindred is very difficult champ to learn and be good at if you didn't know the basics of being an ADC and a jungler. I had to stop playing her because I was too awful. but try tankier champs will help.
But yeah the matchmaking is a bust at the moment. the problem I keep facing is not so much that I keep playing against High ELO players but that i am placed against premades and as a solo Q player, this have been a nightmare, especially in ranked.
Stone Ocean
Member
ADC and support being unpopular in low elos and popular in high elos is because the game basically completely changes. In silver you have this mentality that no one will peel for you and you'll just get dumpstered on as ADC while people think that supports are just ward mules that have to deal with suicidal adcs who pick Vayne and feed the hell out of your ass.
In higher elos there's more trust to go around, you can expect your ADC to just pick Lucian or Ezreal every game, etc.
In higher elos there's more trust to go around, you can expect your ADC to just pick Lucian or Ezreal every game, etc.
I wish they'd push that 3 man max change to all ELOs.
Not even salty about not getting my primary role. As long as I'm not support, if I really want a role people are pretty willing to switch, probably like 50% of the time. Which means I get the role I want like 80% of the time, which I'll take.
But being the solo player in a four man or against a four man is soul crushing.
Not even salty about not getting my primary role. As long as I'm not support, if I really want a role people are pretty willing to switch, probably like 50% of the time. Which means I get the role I want like 80% of the time, which I'll take.
But being the solo player in a four man or against a four man is soul crushing.
Stone Ocean
Member
You own Infiltrator but not Aviator Irelia?
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
You disgust me!
Infiltrator is my favourite one, lol
Reminds me of a DC hero style.
funny I thought I already had you since we've played together a few. you may or may not remember me since I come and go so much though!
for instance, last weekend we apparently ran a normal together (actually weekend before that).
PhillipCostigan
Member
LCS in 15 mins hype \o/
Stone Ocean
Member
Black-Wind
Member
Oh, this thing's happening again?
Too bad I already have Mech Sion. Outside of him I don't think i care about any other Sion Skin and he's my 2nd most played champ. (First is sill Diana though I have all but the Fire Skin for her. 3rd is Trundle I think and I have 2 good ones for him ...)
EDIT-
Yup, Sion Skin ..
Can't say I'm happy about any of these.
I mean .... I wanted a legacy Poppy Skin back when I played her before the nerfs but would have preferred any other legacy Poppy Skin over this one :/
Yep. I used to willingly play support in about 40% of my games.
No after June 23rd the personal discount store will disappear for another couple of months.
Xeilyn
Member
Oh i see, so its a recurring thing then. I started playing like 2 months ago so thought this was some new thing they added
Newt is basically right on the math. The new system doesn't guarantee you a higher chance of getting your best role, and if your main was something people hate to do like ADC then it is not too improbable it wouldn't help you much.
The main thing the system was supposed to do is completely eliminate the games where you got one of your worst roles. Which makes sense. I recall vaguely seeing a Riot post somewhere that said that if you looked at a Diamond I player by role, sorted by effectiveness in that role, it was like:
* Diamond I
* Diamond II
* Platinum II
* Gold something
* Silver something
So you can see why, from Riot's perspective, it was much more important to get rid of the bottom three cases than to make sure people can choose between the top two cases.
Again since they put autofill in it's all going to go out the window and we'll be back to the pick order anarchy, which would be pretty disappointing if I were good at the game but fortunately I am not.
The main thing the system was supposed to do is completely eliminate the games where you got one of your worst roles. Which makes sense. I recall vaguely seeing a Riot post somewhere that said that if you looked at a Diamond I player by role, sorted by effectiveness in that role, it was like:
* Diamond I
* Diamond II
* Platinum II
* Gold something
* Silver something
So you can see why, from Riot's perspective, it was much more important to get rid of the bottom three cases than to make sure people can choose between the top two cases.
Again since they put autofill in it's all going to go out the window and we'll be back to the pick order anarchy, which would be pretty disappointing if I were good at the game but fortunately I am not.