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- Thread starter zkylon
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!!! what the fudge....
Any ppl in EU might want to do some queue up this week? Silver III at the moment
Sure, if you're on EUNE. And if anyone is on EUNE actually, gimme a nod. The spreadsheet only has 3 others
Mostmanlyman
Member
If your going to support and you want damage, then just go someone that does damage and make it a kill lane.
RIPAny ppl in EU might want to do some queue up this week? Silver III at the moment
Fallen_Hero
Member
Dynamic queue too good.
Fallen_Hero
Member
no prob fam
Selling your body for skins. For shame.
Hockey > Football
Duh, but there aren't any games on right now
Mostmanlyman
Member
Just played another one of my placements and went quinn top and destroyed. Our vel was complaining that we didnt have any tanks when where in champ select. Then after the game he was saying that he did the best and then i looked at the damage charts and i did the most and had the better score.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2091705289/226276957?tab=overview
2/0 in my placements so far.
Also i think quinn is such a good pick for top lane right now, i stopped this mao from getting so much farm by just scaring him off, i ended up just standing be hide his caster minions and freezing the lane alot.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2091705289/226276957?tab=overview
2/0 in my placements so far.
Also i think quinn is such a good pick for top lane right now, i stopped this mao from getting so much farm by just scaring him off, i ended up just standing be hide his caster minions and freezing the lane alot.
Peanut Butter
Member
I just won a game where our Leona was diving into the enemy team with a Titanic Hydra. Is that a thing now?
Dreams-Visions
Member
There was a range posted. 20-25. And yes, for an S+ I'd suspect something in the order of 10cs/minute would be expected. Along with significantly higher total damage.
But maybe not. Got any S+ matches lately? We can look at the numbers. I'm also suprised you find 200cs @ 20 minutes to be unrealistic outside of doing nothing but farming.
Edit: Here's my last S+
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2088691739/42941535?tab=stats
Significantly higher net worth, cs count and total damage than any teammates or really anyone else in the game. I had about ~180cs in that game @ 20 minutes along with a few kills. Then the lanes started collapsing so I just went to group and fight at towers n' shit.
Mostmanlyman
Member
No i dont think so, it costs alot for a support so that would be the only down side, it would also delay how tank you would get. She probably just wanted to experiment.
Peanut Butter
Member
It was sad/funny to watch because she ended the game 6/1/8 and did more damage than their ADC (Ezreal) and Jungler (Diana)
You're a Teemo top with ignite. This isn't helping your case, lol.
If you're getting 200 CS on ADC at 20 minutes, that's good, but chances are that you've been farming all game.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Lost all 10 of my placement games, ended up in Bronze II.
Man I'm rusty.
Man I'm rusty.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I think ignite would help your case, because you can't back easily.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I really have no idea what point he's trying to make or what "case" he's suggesting 0.6k worth of Ignite damage helps or hurts.
I guess I'll just continue waiting for him (or anyone) to post an S+ ADC effort. I just want to see what the cs, total damage, and other stats look like. Until then, I'll continue to believe that being at or around 200cs in 20-25 minutes is part of the target. Which is probably why they aren't handed out like candy.
But again, all conjecture until we can all see a few examples.
pretty much
Champion rankings are based on stuff like personal MMR and the performance of other people in the game as far as I'm aware. Not really hard rules for it. If you're pulling down 15+ kills in a 30 minute game I don't think 250CS is an unreasonable benchmark. With that kind of dominance you're not getting shut out of farm.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
That feel when you lose your Bronze 2 promos because your tryndamere couldn't press R in a teamfight.
Dreams-Visions
Member
on the subject of grades, I wonder how close this effort was to S+. It's kinda hard to get 40k+ damage on Illaoi in < 40 minutes while gearing mostly defensively.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2091931425/42941535?tab=stats
Only an S. I can't imagine the standard for Illaoi is that much higher. But I did kinda stop farming after I hit 200 (around 23 minutes, at which time I was I think 4/1/1) to group and carry. Got off some sick fuckin ults in some choke points. Healing back just enough HP when at like 10% hp to get a triple kill..feelsgoodman.
edit: while taking the most damage on the team, no less. S+ in my heart.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2091931425/42941535?tab=stats
Only an S. I can't imagine the standard for Illaoi is that much higher. But I did kinda stop farming after I hit 200 (around 23 minutes, at which time I was I think 4/1/1) to group and carry. Got off some sick fuckin ults in some choke points. Healing back just enough HP when at like 10% hp to get a triple kill..feelsgoodman.
edit: while taking the most damage on the team, no less. S+ in my heart.
Orochinagis
Member
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I am down to 0, thanks Bot lane
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If I recall correctly it's also based on other people's performance on the same champ in a range around your personal MMR.
you probably dont want to know
anyway, holy shit:
Jhin mid is only slightly better than Gragas mid
you probably dont want to know
anyway, holy shit:
Jhin mid is only slightly better than Gragas mid
Bad waveclear, low mobility and long cooldowns. People really want to force him mid for some reason.
What gives him bad waveclear? He has 3 'aoe' abilities
Dreams-Visions
Member
Yea definitely not feeling Jhin mid right now. Unless he's against a weak melee and the jungler is too dumb to go gank, he'll get his lunch money taken in mid lane.
bad wave clear = he really can't 1-shot a wave. at best, he can bring a few creeps down to 50% or so. Waveclear is really defined by your ability to wipe out a full wave with one or two abilities.
bad wave clear = he really can't 1-shot a wave. at best, he can bring a few creeps down to 50% or so. Waveclear is really defined by your ability to wipe out a full wave with one or two abilities.
Q is your main form of wave clear and it's just too easy to punish because of the short range. Mana costs also prohibit using the other abilities to really clear. Jhin just has no defensive tools to really make a solo lane viable. You open yourself up to clear these waves and there's no good response when people move in on you.
They are limited and/or weak against creeps.
You probably have to use all 3 of them on the wave and still have to put out a couple of autos to clear it. W deals low damage to creeps, you will have to W and auto in order to get some creeps low enough that your Q strong enough to clear 4 creeps. Your traps have 30 seconds cooldown.
You're going to get pushed in by Corki/Ahri even if they use less mana/abilities, and Jhin's waveclear is probably matched or surpassed by Zed, not to mention that Jhin has no actual defense against assassins.
As Jhin you're going to get pushed in by champs with waveclear, out roamed by champs that roam, and you're really susceptible to getting killed by assassins since you have no defense, especially when you often have to use all your abilities in order to clear a wave.
edit: If you want a long range character in mid lane, play Ziggs or Xerath instead.
Really, everything about Jhin's kit asks for a partner and people still tried to push him in mid lane. Bouncing grenade benefits from a partner who can help whittle down the wave. Flower traps are slow enough to go off that they only truly shine with additional CC. His root snipe, which is really the strongest thing in his kit, works best when allies tag targets from long range. And his ult is only useful when the enemy cannot approach his position. On top of being maybe the most fragile champion in the game it's just one of those things where it seems really dumb to not play him in a duo lane.
Peanut Butter
Member
#CinderhulkJungleJhin
yeah i'm pretty pleased with s-
key waveclear spell has 550 range, that's about it
Dreams-Visions
Member
Welp, today's S+.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2091993177/42941535/eog
feels like fucking SHIT. One day I'll figure out how to carry with Jayce. I got quadra kills (more than once), I took all the inhibs and T3's we ever got, by myself. I solo defended the Nexus 1v3. Some of my team even contributed some damage unlike my S+ teemo game. And yet somehow I still felt completely alone. If I wasn't at a fight, they'd get wiped maybe 4-1. If I was at a fight, I was often the sole survivor.
something zed something something useless late game something.
I'm getting too old for this shit. Any suggestions on what I perhaps could have done better? All ears. FWIW I was bored so I decided to experiment with the lifesteal and LW. Both actually felt really good against their armor. The Dance felt really nice given how long fights would last. Definitely saved me a few times.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2091993177/42941535/eog
feels like fucking SHIT. One day I'll figure out how to carry with Jayce. I got quadra kills (more than once), I took all the inhibs and T3's we ever got, by myself. I solo defended the Nexus 1v3. Some of my team even contributed some damage unlike my S+ teemo game. And yet somehow I still felt completely alone. If I wasn't at a fight, they'd get wiped maybe 4-1. If I was at a fight, I was often the sole survivor.
something zed something something useless late game something.
I'm getting too old for this shit. Any suggestions on what I perhaps could have done better? All ears. FWIW I was bored so I decided to experiment with the lifesteal and LW. Both actually felt really good against their armor. The Dance felt really nice given how long fights would last. Definitely saved me a few times.
Terbinator
Member
CDR build with no mana to mae use of it? Where is Manamune?
Edit: team comp isn't great either IMO.
Edit: team comp isn't great either IMO.