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Black-Wind
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Funny, I find that my enemies don't CS because they just REALLY seem to want to kill me or roam.
This TF just kept trying to harass anytime I was CSing so he missed out on all his CS (cause I pushed that shit hard and he didn't seem good as CSing under tower). Then I hit level 6 and he got pushed out of lane because he couldn't handle it.
This seems to be common ... I do somewhat well in Lane and BAM, my lane becomes a cluster fuck with 3 people from the enemy team in it and I can't CS proper at all or risk sparking a solo team fight.
IDK why this is ... feel like it's partly cause I'm Diana and anytime a ranged champ player at my low level has ranged advantage they think they HAVE to use it cause if I can kill creeps near their creeps then surely I'm asking for all their basic attacks to be tossed at me.
Mostmanlyman
Member
Yeah.
Like i will be having an amazing laning phase and great game but then one of my lanes starts to feed, and i just tell them "please play safe, just dont die and we can win mid game" then they go 0/8 and there laner is just shitting on everyone.
NecromorphTX
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Sir Abacus
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The new Alistar. I'm finally going to learn him I think.
AzureSkies
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video footage of us reacting when we do dumb stuff in normals and Nasus gets fed.
762 STACK NASUS IN 38 MINUTES
Orochinagis
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According to op gg I have 47% to win. yet I got paired with newbies
OnettHansen
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I played Zilean
Stranger In The Alps
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Peanut Butter
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6-4 during placements on my main after being Gold IV: Silver 2
6-4 during placements on a smurf that just hit 30 a day ago:
6-4 during placements on a smurf that just hit 30 a day ago:
Orochinagis
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And another lose, Like even my friend who was gold past season cant do anything, there is always a unranked who dont know what to do and fed the lane
This is just a recipe for heartbreak. Hand new players a bunch of easy-to-play champs, let them spend a few hundred games getting used to them, then when they decide they want to get serious tell them "fuck you, quit playing the champ you like and start learning Lee Sin." Then wonder why they quit playing!
Champs in general need to be easy to learn, hard to master. Champs that are easy to learn and easy to master (Warwick) are just badly designed. Champs that are hard to learn and hard to master (Azir) are also just poorly made. That doesn't mean they all need three-hit passives and items to place on the field and special collectibles that they can find in the bushes that they can combine to accuse their opponent of committing the crime and do tons of damage. But they need to have some high-level challenges, even if (ideally, in fact) they are strategic instead of execution.
But if there are champs that are a tier below just because they're easier to play they may as well not exist.
I mean, I think it's a definitional question to some degree. If you take Huni and give him my MMR and turn him loose, he's going to win twenty games in a row. So those games were presumably carryable.
But at the same time, like, if the question is can YOU carry every game you get placed in, I have argued previously that not just some, but a significant number of games you're in are probably either going to be a win or a loss no matter what as long as you play within, like, a standard deviation of your normal skill level. So from that perspective those are not carryable.
Sigismundo
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So how's Jhin? I poked my head into a conversation about him with friends and the consensus was that he "fucking sucks".
I figured it would be either that or overpowered pre-release.
I figured it would be either that or overpowered pre-release.
Damn good read up! TY so much. Now that I think about it why did I rush so much armor over mr. I also didn't know mundo deals magic damage. thought it was damage based on his health.
NecromorphTX
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Can be a good killer if he has a good support in early game, plus the E plus another stun skills can secure a free kill. Sadly, you need to calculate every shot, in tf can be useless if you waste the bullets.
Stone Ocean
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He's weak but I don't think he's too far off the mark. Reload time needs to scale down somehow, 2.5s all game is just too much. His ult is also super wonky to use and the bullets are too narrow.
MMR is more important than LP
Well thats cause you dont need to know that. He's a priority ban at our elo
But yeah good to know for me as well
btw j/k we need to know all we can bout all these champs!!
It's not like it's an across the board CD nerf. It went from 14->10s to 12s flat at all ranks. It's now better than it used to be pre-level 7 and either way ganks where you'd get the opportunity to use Audacious charge more than once aren't the norm (but not exactly rare either).
The reason against maxing W first is the game argument against buying a big ticket crit item first: you need AD beforehand to make any use it. Let's take a level 4 Xin Zhao who decides to max W vs. one who is maxing E. At level 4 Xin Zhao will have 70-75 Ad depending on his rune selection. A rank 1 W translates to ~19 damage before reductions on the 3rd auto. A rank 2 W translates to ~28 damage. Rank 2 E will provide an additional 40 magic damage. There's an argument to be made that between the bonus damage and attack speed steroid W will deal more damage over its duration than a single use of E, but in a ganking scenario you want burst.
Long story short, until you can start packing some significant AD, which basically means the completion of Warrior, W isn't providing a damage boost over E.
But this is all theorycrafting shit, I could be wrong.
Nope, it was for burst damage and to assist his clear speed. The CD going down was a nice bonus.
Dreams-Visions
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So Duskblade. I'm going to make that shit work on Jayce. Considering the passive doesn't start until Jayce hits with a basic attack, I'm envisioning:
A-gated shockblast combo > W activate > R switch to hammer form > Q + W > triple auto > E.
Everything after the autos start comes out in under 2 seconds easily.
Most enemy tops I can get down to 20% of their life with the basic combo. And because Nightfall doesn't activate until you auto, if you miss a QE shockblast combo, you can just wait and try again once they are off cooldown.
It wouldn't necessarily scale like shit either since Jayce wants to target squishes in fights like any other marksman.
Obv Jayce isn't an assassin, but a lot of his kit plays in a very assassin-like way. Crazy burst on a single target. Could be an interesting item for him.
A-gated shockblast combo > W activate > R switch to hammer form > Q + W > triple auto > E.
Everything after the autos start comes out in under 2 seconds easily.
Most enemy tops I can get down to 20% of their life with the basic combo. And because Nightfall doesn't activate until you auto, if you miss a QE shockblast combo, you can just wait and try again once they are off cooldown.
It wouldn't necessarily scale like shit either since Jayce wants to target squishes in fights like any other marksman.
Obv Jayce isn't an assassin, but a lot of his kit plays in a very assassin-like way. Crazy burst on a single target. Could be an interesting item for him.
now multiply that by every champion with some sort of burst and yeah duskblade is a stupid item
so I tend to not pay attention to free rotation since I have so many champs (some I didnt even play once). I'm stoked (cause I'll have a week to play Fizz)
Planning to play all the cheapest / easiest guys in my line up in ranked.
I'm thinking Fizz, Zed, and Viktor for mid
Top - Quinn & Vlad
I might even bring out Ekko too.
Might go back to ADC at some point too. But need to practice Trist in Normals first before bringing her into ranked. I've only played Trist in ARAM
Planning to play all the cheapest / easiest guys in my line up in ranked.
I'm thinking Fizz, Zed, and Viktor for mid
Top - Quinn & Vlad
I might even bring out Ekko too.
Might go back to ADC at some point too. But need to practice Trist in Normals first before bringing her into ranked. I've only played Trist in ARAM
Dreams-Visions
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Yea...but there really aren't too many marksman that can 100% someone in 2 seconds. Quinn can't until she has a couple of items at least and she's the only other marksman candidate I can think of. My memory is bad though...
To my best biased recollection, Jayce is unique among ranged marksman in that he can have just this item and a Dorians and 100% people. On paper, anyway. Mostly because other Marksman don't do significant damage outside of their autos. Jayce can remove 30% of someone's HP in lane with a single QE attack without procing Nightfall. If Jayce buys Tear + this item, I'm not sure how your standard top lanes against him.
Edit: He can literally QE poke you to about 70% HP, wait for his cooldowns then go in for a 100% kill unless you have flash or some cc.
imagine never autoing them
Ghost is Bad
Banned
Graves.
Dreams-Visions
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Yikes. As if he needed more help. So just those two then?
Orochinagis
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LAN servers are just funky right now
I am too scared to play fizz no matter how insane his burst is. Haven't touched him in about 2 seasons
Ghost is Bad
Banned
draven corki
Dreams-Visions
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Things will soon become very interesting. Especially bot lane with a strong fighting support. I'm imagining Blitz pull into a Graves/Draven/Corki with that item. Or a Braum passive proc. Not sure that this item will survive.
Peanut Butter
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Teemo can 2 shot someone under the right circumstances =)
Dreams-Visions
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oh there are a lot of champs that can do a lot of damage, especially late. my thoughts were mostly regarding early and midgame ability to burst with minimal items, unassisted. because Teemo can't Q more than once in that 2 second span, he's not a candidate imo. that's his only chunking ability.
Orochinagis
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gg bot lane, mid even camped in that lane
I can't believe we lost this match. I'm dumbfounded right now.
Riven started 10-1. She kept going into their jungle with no one else against a pure pick comp. She kept complaining that they have two many wards so 1.) then maybe you should stop going in their without the rest of your team but it may not matter because 2.) MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN HOW TF'S ULT WORKS YOU DUMB BITCH.
Absolutely stunned, speechless. This is probably the worst loss I've ever played in.
Riven started 10-1. She kept going into their jungle with no one else against a pure pick comp. She kept complaining that they have two many wards so 1.) then maybe you should stop going in their without the rest of your team but it may not matter because 2.) MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN HOW TF'S ULT WORKS YOU DUMB BITCH.
Absolutely stunned, speechless. This is probably the worst loss I've ever played in.
Orochinagis
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Terbinator
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Mega build issues again. I'm on my phone to work so can't go indepth but the Braum, Swain and Jinx IE no other items standout from a glance.
Truly, she didn't do shit. She had the odd nice play but nothing special. That match was 100% thrown. Every single champion on that team was completely and utterly shutdown until Riven started handing her ass to them on a plate.
Black-Wind
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Think I legit clean carried this.
This was a strange match to me ...
This was the first time in a long time that I tried those boots and the first time I ever tried the Death Cap (picked it up cause the team was dropping like flies cause they kept going in 1 by 1. Felt like trying more AP instead of rageblade). Once I got the the death cap and told them to group I was just melting people so fast and clearing waves with my Q ... it was shocking! I didn't think that would work. Only down side was that I was just barely staying alive cause I had to be the one to jump into them.
Whole match started poorly. Fizz tried to invade out JG at level one but Jinx scared him off. Then at a super low level me and TF are trading and we're both half-ish health ... and fucking Fizz TPs right on a minion and runs me back to base before running off the JG and stealing our chickens >:/
It annoys me to see that even with a damn rock monster tank champ everyone kinda just expects my Diana to be the first to jump into the fight and start something after it's clear I'm more fed than the rest. That mofo maybe used his ult ONCE around the group from what I could see ... and that's only cause Fizz cut off his escape. Why you running away from everything Mal? Why you behind us in team fights?
This was a strange match to me ...
This was the first time in a long time that I tried those boots and the first time I ever tried the Death Cap (picked it up cause the team was dropping like flies cause they kept going in 1 by 1. Felt like trying more AP instead of rageblade). Once I got the the death cap and told them to group I was just melting people so fast and clearing waves with my Q ... it was shocking! I didn't think that would work. Only down side was that I was just barely staying alive cause I had to be the one to jump into them.
Whole match started poorly. Fizz tried to invade out JG at level one but Jinx scared him off. Then at a super low level me and TF are trading and we're both half-ish health ... and fucking Fizz TPs right on a minion and runs me back to base before running off the JG and stealing our chickens >:/
Don't rush ruby sightstone
Sejuani is so gud.
Actually never have bought Ruby Sightstone. Not even worth it in my opinion.
Actually never have bought Ruby Sightstone. Not even worth it in my opinion.
It's worth buying later on in the game once you get your other items.
Stick to two roles and a couple champs in each of those roles. You already have some good winrates with jinx and sejuani, build on that. Don't build hurricane on jinx. Especially don't rush hurricane on jinx.