SenorArdilla
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New champ unlocked. I suppose you could say, "Ivern'd this."
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League of Legends |OT12| No more Lyte, just darkness.
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That first blood tho.
Troubled Bat
Member
Dreams-Visions
Member
*slow claps* *slow claps*
I just got back into league after a long hiatus. After a few matches I started to go back to my beloved Pantheon jungle and owned pretty hard, so I maxed out my items pretty quickly.
What would be a good item to replace the jungle item, if at all? I lose the ward passive, but would gain better stats + another passive.
What would you recommend?
My usual end build (when I'm ahead) is:
Tracker's Knife (Warrior)
Rav. Hydra
Black Cleaver
Randuin's Omen
Banshee's Veil / Warmogs / Guardian Angel / Frozen Mallet / Dead Man's Plate / Sterak's Gage
Armor or Magic def Boots
Thought about replacing Tracker's Knife with Death's Dance, Maw or Youmuu's Ghostblade, but I'm unsure if it's actually worth it. I usually run Armor Pen reds.
I actually think about selling the boots too, since I usually jump to engage coordinated with my team, but it would also hinder my split pushing ability.
What would be a good item to replace the jungle item, if at all? I lose the ward passive, but would gain better stats + another passive.
What would you recommend?
My usual end build (when I'm ahead) is:
Tracker's Knife (Warrior)
Rav. Hydra
Black Cleaver
Randuin's Omen
Banshee's Veil / Warmogs / Guardian Angel / Frozen Mallet / Dead Man's Plate / Sterak's Gage
Armor or Magic def Boots
Thought about replacing Tracker's Knife with Death's Dance, Maw or Youmuu's Ghostblade, but I'm unsure if it's actually worth it. I usually run Armor Pen reds.
I actually think about selling the boots too, since I usually jump to engage coordinated with my team, but it would also hinder my split pushing ability.
Troubled Bat
Member
Are you mocking me, Dreams?!
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Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
Gonna try to go from Gold V to Plat V in a month. Only played about 20 ranked games and a few unranked this season so there's a bit of rust but I think I'll be fine. I don't have the time to get into mid or jungle due to general unfamiliarity with those roles but Janna has always been freelo in the past so I guess it's time to do some spamming.
Isn't ghost blade all the rage on mantheon these days
Yea ghost blade is pretty core nowadays.
A lot of people don't really build defensively on Pantheon anymore since all the new armor pen items keeps him relevant throughout the whole game as his ability to blow up a target is ridiulous atm. Your build is fine for a safe pantheon but since Pantheon is super strong early game you really want to go super aggressive on items early on.
Not sure the build path since Panth go top these days but ultimately I think it should be:
-Warriors with challenging smite so you wreck in 1v1 engages. Chilling is alright too early on but challenging is better later in the game.
-Youmuu's as the stats and the active gives you a significant spike in power and builds well with the character in general.
-Mobi or Swiftness boots. I don't really like merc's cause in the end Pantheon is the one that should be initiating and catching out people and mobi/swifteness helps you in these cases.
-Cleaver/Maw. Cleaver is usually the ideal but if they have a lot of AP building a hexdrinker early on and finishing it to maw is also great.
After that its mostly situational items. For offense Duskblade is pretty scary on him and people actually rush this after yoummu's if there super fed. Death's dance is also good too for the raw stats as well as the healing passive. Defensive wise there is Dead man's for catching people out easier, steraks for survivability and GA for revive.
Note if you super behind/ feed then you just want to skip youmuu and build cleaver and tank it out in hopes your teammates to finish the job.
yay solo queue
PhillipCostigan
Member
Flex Queue is essentially dynamic queue, now with separate solo/duo queue for those that want it.
can u do a tldr, cant read it all cos im at work
Hydrophobic
Member
It all looks pretty good to me. If I understand it correctly, solo players can also choose to queue into that ranked flex queue as well?
PhillipCostigan
Member
We have solo/duo queue which is like it was in previous years
We also have flex queue that is pretty much the same as dynamic queue this year, but with unique rewards
There will be extra rewards for those who place high in both solo/duo queue and flex queue
The changes and improvements made over the course of this season will hopefully allow us to support both queues, but if flex queue population ends up being really low because no solo players play in that queue then we'll switch it to 5-man only, but without the weird roster management stuff of ranked 5s
Info from reddit, queues and mmr are separate from each other.
There's a tradeoff though, you're not gonna be able to play ranked 5s with wildly different ranks among players:
Stone Ocean
Member
So basically solo = old queue and flex = dynamic version of ranked 5?
Going to get a lot worse.
Also, good luck being a 4 man in the new FQ. Who in their right mind would play FQ as a solo player above gold? I can see people getting to gold for the rewards, but lol fuck playing FQ as a solo player.
Plus throw in that you can say "I'm not playing this role" and queue times are going to be a disaster.
Hydrophobic
Member
What about someone who cares about their solo/duo rank, is high ranked in flex as well, wants to try hard and learn a champion but not at the expense of their solo/duo rank.
Pretty much.
Auto-fill is probably going to be active more often.
Sure, you can see it as almost a smurf account. It should see some use, even if it will have worse queue times.
Stone Ocean
Member
If it doesn't work out they'll just completely revert it to ranked 5s and be done with it
So then they feed and have a horrible time being gangpiled by the 4-man queue. Sounds fun.
The worst part of dynamic queue were the games when you were a solo player grouped up with four people. There is nothing fun getting flamed all game and ganged up on because your team is full of buddies and the jungle ignores you, they ignore your calls, and don't communicate what they're doing.
Going solo into FQ is going to suck and no one is going to do it (above gold, mind you).
That's because there isn't an alternative that is quite literally made for solo players.
Orochinagis
Member
So, how is the new champ, yay or nay
Yeah I rush the offensive items first and then build defense. Why isn't hydra used more? It's imo essential. Makes jungle clears ridiculously easy, faster, brings sustain, saves mana and makes for godlike pushing power.
I don't like to go squishy pant on endgame tho, so I like to get some HP later. BC is a good mix during midgame, before transitioning into def items.
So I should get the smite items and not the warding item?
Proportion of 1- and 2-players are going to be smaller in FQ, but it should be fine. DQ taught us that 4-player premades aren't that bad to play with. Of course it's going to be worse than solo queue, but that should balance itself out with 4-man premades getting sick of queue times.
Why wouldn't you just use FQ as a free smurf account if you enjoy smurfing?
But even 3-player premades are going to have problems finding 2-player premades in FQ.
I dunno, how many people actually have smurf accounts that are both plat+? That number can't be high at all.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah...I'm all for having a separate Flex mode and Solo/Duo queue, but I really don't think it's viable with League. Already there seem to be problems with ranked queue in general, and separating it further is...well....no bueno.
Sure, it might die and become 5-man only. 3-player premades can still play with 2 solo players though.
People that are higher ranks will get plat+ on their smurfs really easily. How many people are interested in smurfing is another matter. 1 in 10 players maybe? People that are plat+ are already a small fraction of the player base so it's going to be worse for sure. Maybe it's just really bad and Riot will shut it down for rank 5s only.
Less high-rank players mean that we might get some rank inflation though, gold players will likely have an easier time reaching plat in FQ if there are fewer real plat+ players.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It's the perception of things. It doesn't matter that if Dynamic Parties had similar winrates to SQers
Hydrophobic
Member
Does anyone know how dota does it w/ respect to party vs solo mmr? Are party and solo players mixed there?
IIRC they mix the players, yes. DV or another seasoned dota player can probably give you a more certain answer.
Orochinagis
Member
Eh, DQ raised unwanted roles to be more prominent yet players didnt or dont want to learn those roles, Riot can fix everything they want except that mentality.
Personally Riot need to focus on supports being more rewarding somehow
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Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
There is just one ranked q with everyone lumped together. Everyone has two visible mmrs, one is solo and one is party. 2,3 or 5 stacks affect your party and 4 stacks aren't allowed in ranked. Obviously the system still calculates for fair matches.
Lulu buffs can make it more rewarding, trust me I'm an expert
His bushes are a huuuuge pain to play against in-lane. Went against one Supporting earlier. That Fog of War is very stressing to play around.