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[Stone Ocean]

Yellowstar retired

One of my favorite LCS players. Sad to see him go.

I'm sad but happy at the same time. Better having him retire so he doesn't taint his fame any further by playing like shit.

Hopefully he'll stay in the scene as a coach or something. Lord knows some players could use his dieting advice 4Head

 

[Leezard]

Yellowstar retired

One of my favorite LCS players. Sad to see him go.

I'm sad but happy at the same time. Better having him retire so he doesn't taint his fame any further by playing like shit.

Hopefully he'll stay in the scene as a coach or something. Lord knows some players could use his dieting advice 4Head

For sure, an all time legend. He's not been the same since he left for TSM.

There's a rumor that he will be coaching the Paris-Saint Germain team.

 

[Newt]

This is cool.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Teemo's Camouflage is now Guerrilla Warfare. How nice.

EDIT:
I'm tilting so I'm going to stop for today.

 

[Envelope]

This is cool.

lmao that bard model

 

[Dobkeratops]

This is cool.

This is quite hot, I like it better than the final design and that's a huge compliment considering release Rek is still objectively the most attractive waifu of the game.

Seems like half the body/tail was meant to be partially burrowed at all times, like a mini baron? Would have been quite unique. That's the second worm-ish champ they stick legs on though, so lazy.

 

[Orochinagis]

This is quite hot, I like it better than the final design and that's a huge compliment considering release Rek is still objectively the most attractive waifu of the game.

Seems like half the body/tail was meant to be partially burrowed at all times, like a mini baron? Would have been quite unique. That's the second worm-ish champ they stick legs on though, so lazy.

Best big chested female on the cast.

I guess animate that design would be a pain to make it work

 

[drawkcaB]

I <3 Blast Cones.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

I <3 Blast Cones.

wait, you mean plants aren't terrible and they might possibly have been well thought out and playtested a lot and could be good?

 

[drawkcaB]

Barking up the wrong tree, I was interested in the concept from the get go.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

Barking up the wrong tree, I was interested in the concept from the get go.

I know, I was making a more blanket sarcastic statement, don't worry

 

[BreezyLimbo]

costy can you suggest a sort of 'bottle' to save plants for use later

that would really make this plant concept bloom

if you get my drift

 

[Quonny]

Still don't like plants and never will.

Nothing is more rage inducing than dying to RNG.

 

[drawkcaB]

The only issue I have the issues right now is how they get telegraphed to the player. I read that they show themselves as seeds or whatever 30s prior to being usable, but from what I can see they kinda just show up.

I could be missing something, but I'd argue that since I'm actively looking for the notice of the seeds and not finding it, it probably needs to be clearer.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

Still don't like plants and never will.

Nothing is more rage inducing than dying to RNG.

but... what RNG is actually killing you here?

 

[drawkcaB]

Still don't like plants and never will.

Nothing is more rage inducing than dying to RNG.

It's not RNG they way you're thinking of RNG.

 

[Quonny]

but... what RNG is actually killing you here?

Spawn locations and timings.

The whole thing could be avoided if they made it so these couldn't spawn if there is a champion within X units of the spawn point and would spawn as soon as there were no champions within X range. A single unlucky blast cone spawn right as your team is making a play could entirely change a game.

Honestly that's my main beef.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

You'll be ok

HotS has 2 characters that are permastealthed except when doing actions, and then after a 3 second timer go back to perma stealth. And there aren't even wards in that game!

You'll be ok.

Certainly I'll be okay because this is a fucking video game, but thank you for your concern? Now then, we can get back to discussing the mechanic.

Is there any hero in Dota 2 that has "super-invisibility", i.e. can't be discovered by gem?

Sort of. One character has an ultimate that renders them invisible underneath a cloud and thus can't be hit by auto attacks. They can be hit by aoe spells, like akali under her bubble thing. It lasts him about 4 seconds in dota I think? But he doesn't get any special abilities to go with it; he's just unable to be autoattacked. You always know where he is because he's under a cloud that is always above him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khLWZhuOLAw

So now that I think about it, no there isn't anyone who is completely undetectable by the true sight.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Invisibility

For the record, there are 23 different items and abilities that grant true sight and 29 items and abilities that give invisibility.

Point is, there are many, MANY ways to counter-play invisibility, from built-in abilities to purchasable items. I will take a wait-and-see approach to having 0 counter-play options for these champs. Drawing inspiration from the most casual of the moba games on the market (HoTS) does not instill me with any confidence. But as long as they don't get any power spikes by coming out of invisibility, I'm sure they can balance it to some degree. I just don't like the idea of "surprise! 3 in your lane now" mechanics without any way to give yourself a good opportunity to you know...NOT get ganked by them.

 

[dimb]

Plants seem huge for creating more dynamic jungle play. Having more options should enable more champions. Stuff like the blast cones are great at opening up gank and control paths that wall jump junglers could previously only take advantage of. This is part of what made Lee, Rek'sai, and Nidalee so prominent. It is probably the change I am most excited for and is the best solution to the problem. It does not take away from junglers or hamstring wall jumps, it just creates a more even playing field.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Certainly I'll be okay because this is a fucking video game, but thank you for your concern? Now then, we can get back to discussing the mechanic.



Sort of. One character has an ultimate that renders them invisible underneath a cloud and thus can't be hit by auto attacks. They can be hit by aoe spells, like akali under her bubble thing. It lasts him about 4 seconds in dota I think? But he doesn't get any special abilities to go with it; he's just unable to be autoattacked. You always know where he is because he's under a cloud that is always above him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khLWZhuOLAw

So now that I think about it, no there isn't anyone who is completely undetectable by the true sight.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Invisibility

For the record, there are 23 different items and abilities that grant true sight and 29 items and abilities that give invisibility.

Point is, there are many, MANY ways to counter-play invisibility, from built-in abilities to purchasable items. I will take a wait-and-see approach to having 0 counter-play options for these champs. Drawing inspiration from the most casual of the moba games on the market (HoTS) does not instill me with any confidence. But as long as they don't get any power spikes by coming out of invisibility, I'm sure they can balance it to some degree. I just don't like the idea of "surprise! 3 in your lane now" mechanics without any way to give yourself a good opportunity to you know...NOT get ganked by them.

Not much to be worried about. Invisibility seems to be reserved to champions whose invisibility is situational or lasts only a few seconds(Ie Khaz, Akali, or Shaco). If a lane is properly warded, then you'll see them coming form a mile away.

It's just that in-combat it's a bit harder to discern them, but again you can aoe them down.

 

[drawkcaB]

Plants seem huge for creating more dynamic jungle play. Having more options should enable more champions. Stuff like the blast cones are great at opening up gank and control paths that wall jump junglers could previously only take advantage of. This is part of what made Lee, Rek'sai, and Nidalee so prominent. It is probably the change I am most excited for and is the best solution to the problem. It does not take away from junglers or hamstring wall jumps, it just creates a more even playing field.

To add on this, the vision plant is excellent for counter jungling. One the reasons traditionally strong counter junglers (Nunu, Udyr, Trundle) were on the whole weak this season is because entering the opposing jungle and not having camps to steal or a champ to fight could set you back, particularly early in the game when these junglers are looking to make their mark. If you're a counter jungler you can now go in, pop a vision plant, and scope the place out. No opposing jungler and a few camps are gone? Don't bother wasting your time going in any deeper.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Spawn locations and timings.

The whole thing could be avoided if they made it so these couldn't spawn if there is a champion within X units of the spawn point and would spawn as soon as there were no champions within X range. A single unlucky blast cone spawn right as your team is making a play could entirely change a game.

Honestly that's my main beef.

That sounds like such a "stars aligned" situation that I don't see how its worth having a beef about. Blast cones can spawn in a huge area, take 30 seconds to charge up and teams only know of them if they get vision of the seedling, the amount of times one will spawn in the perfect spot at the perfect time without anyone having knowledge of it seems super low.

 

[Quonny]

That sounds like such a "stars aligned" situation that I don't see how its worth having a beef about. Blast cones can spawn in a huge area, take 30 seconds to charge up and teams only know of them if they get vision of the seedling, the amount of times one will spawn in the perfect spot at the perfect time without anyone having knowledge of it seems super low.

Yeah, but can you imagine the tilt you'll feel if it happens.

Right off the edge of the planet.

 

[clemenx]

Spawn locations and timings.

The whole thing could be avoided if they made it so these couldn't spawn if there is a champion within X units of the spawn point and would spawn as soon as there were no champions within X range. A single unlucky blast cone spawn right as your team is making a play could entirely change a game.

Honestly that's my main beef.

But as I understand it, everyone will know that they will spawn within 30 seconds so what you're describing shouldn't happen if everyone is paying attention.

Nothing will pop up with no prior warning.

 

[drawkcaB]

The raptor and wolf camps now spawn before the buffs, and the other two camps spawn after that. So Riot is guiding junglers to starting at either of the small camps. Right now, wolves are easier than raptors, so I don't know which way Riot will adjust things, but the difference it pretty noticeable.

 

[Stone Ocean]

The raptor and wolf camps now spawn before the buffs, and the other two camps spawn after that. So Riot is guiding junglers to starting at either of the small camps. Right now, wolves are easier than raptors, so I don't know which way Riot will adjust things, but the difference it pretty noticeable.

Shouldn't chickens be easier with talisman + AoE?

 

[drawkcaB]

Shouldn't chickens be easier with talisman + AoE?

Just to clarify, it's not that they're super hard now, it's just the camp is tougher than wolves, AoE champion or not. For those AoE champions who are weak(ish) at early clearing, it can end up pushing them to do wolf starts out of necessity. Although maybe that's intended? I dunno.

(Though we need to consider the midlaner being able to leash Raptors now, but I can't account for that in custom by myself).

 

[Nekofrog]

So how devastating would it be for for the enemy jungler if sion was to sneak in and steal raptors at level 1 in the new jungle?

 

[xZoneHunter]

Played for the first time after having a 5ish month break, man that was weird.

 

[Newt]

So how devastating would it be for for the enemy jungler if sion was to sneak in and steal raptors at level 1 in the new jungle?

 

[Talents]

 

[drawkcaB]

So how devastating would it be for for the enemy jungler if sion was to sneak in and steal raptors at level 1 in the new jungle?

No more than now, but it's probably harder to actually pull off without having all the healing effect from Talisman.

 

[Newt]

Add me on PBE, ign: Newt

 

[subtles]

I only skimmed through the changes as I'm a bit busy but the Ekko changes seem like he'll trigger the stun if he passes through PC with his ult without actually landing in it?

 

[drawkcaB]

Ivern feels like a boss in the jungle (along with his passive buff in 6.21). Base stat buff, passive buff, and AI fixes to Daisy (which are noticeable right away) - all the clunky shit has been taken out of this kit and he can finally be properly evaluated and buffed if necessary.

 

[Newt]

Talon feels broken as hell.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

thats because he was actually broken lel

 

[zkylon]

edit: KEEPING THE POST BELOW FOR POSTERITY AS PROOF OF MY IDIOCY BUT DISREGARD EVERYTHING IT SAYS LOL

oh boy do i have news about my friend

rito has not only banned my friend but also completely DELETED (wat) his account. this means that even if they believe my friend or whatever (which they apparently do based on some of riot support's replies), his account can't be recovered since they've apparently erased it from their database. i find that hard to believe but whatever.

the reason for this is that apparently someone used third party skillshot dodging programs on his account, as well as his account being used by over 20 different people in different countries. why riot didn't just block the account immediatelly or emailed my friend to confirm why his account was acting suspicious idk, they just permabanned him without recourse or evidence.

i'll copy here some rough translations of the replies my friend got. i kept as many spelling and grammar errors as i could, cos honestly it doesn't make me feel super great that the person responsible of permabanning you doesn't even spellcheck. they also didn't notify my friend that his account had been deleted until he emailed them again today

Hello, Summoner:

Your account xxxxxx has been deleted from our database due to the use of malicious third party software or League of Legends client modifications. We believe every player should play under the same ruleset and uphold the same level of sportmanship. It has been previously established and it should be well known to you that modifying the League of Legends client is against the term of use: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse [yeah they sent him the na terms of use in english, who knows why]. We hope you can understand how unpleasant it is for others to play against someone using a tool to get an advantage. The info that was requested of you was to verify that you were the account owner, and after our discussion, even if you didn't use the hacks yourself, another person with your accound did, and by getting an advantage no matter who used it, we unfortunately cannot recover your account, be more careful next time who you lend your account or what kind of websites you visit that could mine your information, Cheers.

my friend replies with something like "but i didn't do anything, my acc got hacked"

rito reply:

You're being banned because your account was accessed, from different countries, that's why at that time it was suspended until we could find the owner, we discussed it among ourselves and ask you for proof, and we reached the conclusion that you indeed were the owner, but how do we explain your account's multiple accesses? From different IP, in which there's chilean, peruvian, uruguayan [idk about this lol] and argentinian, in a timeframe of 24hs that it's impossible that it was you in every occassion, somewhere your account must've been published and many people accessed it, some of then using hacks, using a dodge script, that dodges skillshots and that's reason for a permaban, we discussed it here and we decided that if we gave you your account back since you probably weren't the one that used the hacking software, but we couldn't reach an agreement since you're responsible of your [sic]deedz and for some reason your account was used by many players and I'm talking about more than 20, cheers and sorry for the trouble

the "deedz" mispelling is like top 5 worst mispelling you can do in spanish, and yeah that's how they rambled in their email to the best of my translating capabilities. it just blows my mind how this is the response my friend got. seriously it's fucking insane

my friend replied to this email with what essentially amounts to "are u fucking kidding me"

finally

Hi again,

At no moment we ever meant to mislead you. I'm sorry. However, I'll insist that we can't grant you access back to this account. As my fellow coworker explained to you, the account doesn't exist anymore because of use of ilegal software. Case closed

Cheers,
VJ

Player Support Specialist

my friend has been playing this game with me since 2012, we've played daily for years, we watched worlds together (he was gonna host a viewing party for rox vs skt on friday, now he doesn't feel like it so much), we've played ranked 5s together, etc. he's never once been arned for misbehavior in any way, chat banned or banned in any capacity, he's been one of those people you get in your games that doesn't say a word. he's gotten a new job about two months ago, so between that and university he hasn't been playing any league since. last time i saw him he was still like gold 4, he never cared about ranked enough to cheat or get boosted or anything.

it's one of my closest friends, someone i know for more than 10 years and that i talk to every day, why the fuck would i believe some bumbling player support person that can't even write a proper fucking sentence and that provides absolutely no fucking evidence over my friend?

even in the riot posts above, they seem to believe him, they seem to be capable to admitting that he wasn't the one that did all that shit, so if you know this person isn't to blame, why the fuck do you permaban him. and isn't account security supposed to be kind of riot's thing? am i supposed to believe these assholes (cos honestly that preachy bit at the top about how unfair it is to play against a cheater when they later admit my friend didn't cheat is just gold) over my friend?

i mean, fucking jensen ddos people on solo q and he's allowed to play on lcs, while my friend didn't do shit and gets his freaking account deleted, how is that fucking fair

i'm gonna guess this kind of shit wouldn't happen in any of the main servers, where whenever i've contacted rito support i've interacted with non-incompetent people capable of composing a comprehensible sentence. sadly, that's not the case for riot latin america, who seem anything but. they didn't even sign the emails so you can like, u know, say "this rioter bullshitted me to hell and back" lol

in the end what i'm gonna do right now is enable two factor authentication cos you gotta know that if your account gets hacked, riot support doesn't give a shit and they're gonna fuck you over twice and delete your account while being condescending about it. srkitsune and whoever else plays in south america (maybe even lotion, but i bet brazil is better), pls activate 2fa because riot support is fucking garbage

i know costy can't do anything cos it's not his department or region or expertise or anything, and more than anything it's not his fault or reponsibility, but what a fucking joke

edit: also i post this like this instead of pm cos i need to vent cos i'm really fucking pissed off right now

edit: KEEPING THE POST ABOVE FOR POSTERITY AS PROOF OF MY IDIOCY BUT DISREGARD EVERYTHING IT SAYS LOL

 

[Newt]

Dafuq? 20 countries? That sounds really shady.

 

[drawkcaB]

Ekko jungle still sucks. The dream is dead. So long ol' boy.

Lol, Ivern's interaction with the new Krug camp is broken. He clears it in a flash.

 

[Newt]

Ekko jungle still sucks. The dream is dead. So long ol' boy.

At this stage, just throw Ekko in the dumpster to give Azir company.

 

[zkylon]

Dafuq? 20 countries? That sounds really shady.

20 users among different countries (they mention 4: chile, argentina, uruguay and peru)

but 4 different countries and 20 different IPs over a period of 24hs

my friend isn't a freaking international spy, he just got his account hacked

 

[PhillipCostigan]

zkylon can you send me the ticket number please?

 

[Stone Ocean]

Rito Costy on duty

 

[drawkcaB]

At this stage, just throw Ekko in the dumpster to give Azir company.

Pretty much.

I'm an Ivern main now anyways.

Spoiler

I actually haven't played a single Ivern game against actual people.

 

[ChrisD]

Spectating my brother's game and just... I'm lost with the chat.

His Malphite who was 0/0/0 at 19 mins in Team Chat:

"how much did you guys pay for your account, just want to know the market price"

When he refused to save the team's Yasuo and get a double kill on the low health Jinx and Alistar who dived to get him:

"sorry I can't play with you Yas your mmr is too low"

When he noticed the team's Sejuani was 1/8 (yeah it's pretty bad but):

"Sej got boosted. I'm going to get her banned tonight will talk with my buddy to make sure"

And then he qq'd about duo queues or something?


Now he finished the game by saying in All Chat:

"White team"



Like... What
At least there was no KYS? Upside to everything?

 

[zkylon]

zkylon can you send me the ticket number please?

he never got a ticket number, so i just asked my friend to forward me the emails since i think the ticket number thing is weird also

i'm guessing the email he got is from some riot support impersonator cos i check the email address and it's a fucking gmail address

so my theory is someone hacked his account, did whatever they wanted with it and got banned, then emailed my friend acting like riot support to scam him out of something, which fortunately didn't happen since my friend didn't gave them any meaningful information

my friend didn't notice cos the emails he sent me actually look like riot emails and you know, he was actually banned and worried for his account

i just gave him the address i used when i talked with riot support and he got a reply and ticket number immediately, so i'm hoping real riot support will help him?

if that's the case i think i def owe an apology to rito support, my friend is totally an idiot and probably still won't get his account back, but at least everything makes more sense now

OMG

 

[PhillipCostigan]

he never got a ticket number, so i just asked my friend to forward me the emails since i think the ticket number thing is weird also

i'm guessing the email he got is from some riot support impersonator cos i check the email address and it's a fucking gmail address

so my theory is someone hacked his account, did whatever they wanted with it and got banned, then emailed my friend acting like riot support to scam him out of something, which fortunately didn't happen since my friend didn't gave them any meaningful information

my friend didn't notice cos the emails he sent me actually look like riot emails and you know, he was actually banned and worried for his account

i just gave him the address i used when i talked with riot support and he got a reply and ticket number immediately, so i'm hoping real riot support will help him?

if that's the case i think i def owe an apology to rito support, my friend is totally an idiot and probably still won't get his account back, but at least everything makes more sense now

OMG

Yeah your friend definitely needs to get better at internet security

Please let me know what the real Riot Support says and let me know what his real ticket number is and I will see what I can do, if anything, to help.

 

[Newt]

Well, now we know how he probably got hacked in the first place.

Also, Riot doesn't email, I don't think. When I got my name change (LordNewt = Lord Newt) it was all done through pvp.net.

 

[ChrisD]

Ooouch.

That blows. You should give Costigan/Riot Support the fake Email address. Maybe there's something they can do to shut them down.