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League of Legends |OT12| No more Lyte, just darkness.
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For the curious on the original source, or the actual post the quote was pulled from rather than the discussion around it.
And also:
aka, be careful on the context since it can influence the discussion.
So don't compare the extremes, though it's worth noting the volume of the extremes is highly relevant here (e.g., Syndra's case of ~55% around the single-digit mark, 125+ is around 3% over a course of ~10k entries) for the validity of the data. The post you originally quoted notes this about Taliyah's reported 79.5% win rate at the top end but it's simply lacking the data (~1300 games) behind it kind of reinforces a bit on the whole read into what the data tells you.
I'm still trying to figure out the relevance of the negative Lucian win rate chart with a 2% delta. Ultimately, I think it's a lot of ignoring the analysis of the data and just using surface stuff. Or, basically, using data as a conclusion rather than drawing conclusions from them.
And also:
aka, be careful on the context since it can influence the discussion.
So don't compare the extremes, though it's worth noting the volume of the extremes is highly relevant here (e.g., Syndra's case of ~55% around the single-digit mark, 125+ is around 3% over a course of ~10k entries) for the validity of the data. The post you originally quoted notes this about Taliyah's reported 79.5% win rate at the top end but it's simply lacking the data (~1300 games) behind it kind of reinforces a bit on the whole read into what the data tells you.
I'm still trying to figure out the relevance of the negative Lucian win rate chart with a 2% delta. Ultimately, I think it's a lot of ignoring the analysis of the data and just using surface stuff. Or, basically, using data as a conclusion rather than drawing conclusions from them.
Orochinagis
Member
Autofill needs to go, so tired of getting supports who bail out because the adc dont want to engage and gear themselves their lane they wanted to play (mid , top)
I've rarely had times where the autofilled support completely bails. I think most people are willing to put up with it in order to be guaranteed what they want in the next queue.
ahh i missed ur level-headed style of posting, scy (i did catch the salt before u edited it out lol)
i just stumbled on that post while browsing reddit, no idea about those other posts (did i ever mention how garbage reddit is for discussion?), just figured i'd copy pasta and see what people thought
i just stumbled on that post while browsing reddit, no idea about those other posts (did i ever mention how garbage reddit is for discussion?), just figured i'd copy pasta and see what people thought
Ghost is Bad
Banned
3 most difficult champs in the game bar none are yasuo zed and rengar. you have to totally outplay your opponent super hard in order to have even half of the same effectiveness of like 90% of the cast with these fuckos and the heavy nerfs to Armor Penetration and Yasuo being Yasuo means that it's basically only OTPs and godlike mids winning on these champs.
PhillipCostigan
Member
also zkylon's post was two comments spliced together, where one person gave an off the top of his head list in no particular order
and the comment on unique mechanics was zirene saying IN HIS OPINION that's a reason
if we're going to have a discussion can we please link original sources and paste quotes so that we can avoid stupid arguments based off misinformed or misrepresented first posts?
and the comment on unique mechanics was zirene saying IN HIS OPINION that's a reason
if we're going to have a discussion can we please link original sources and paste quotes so that we can avoid stupid arguments based off misinformed or misrepresented first posts?
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i literally quoted that post you're linking to, only removed the first paragraph cos it was talking about low sample sizes on champion.gg stats, no splicing whatsoever -___-
if i had posted ur same link we only get two people being like "wtf udyr..."
i fucked up by talking about difficulty instead of mastery curve but cut me some slack
seriously chill, i found this discussion interesting and useful
i literally quoted that post you're linking to, only removed the first paragraph cos it was talking about low sample sizes on champion.gg stats, no splicing whatsoever -___-
if i had posted ur same link we only get two people being like "wtf udyr..."
i fucked up by talking about difficulty instead of mastery curve but cut me some slack
seriously chill, i found this discussion interesting and useful
Haha, it came off way more passive-aggressive than I wanted originally so I started fixing it. rip2slow.
Yeah, I immediately went to go find the post since I was curious at the discussion that spawned it since Udyr in it shapes what the question that sparked him as an answer (aka, I went to go play Jeopardy).
The clarification one I quoted to was buried in a downvoted-to-hell Singed comment (since that one sparked a lot lulz I guess). Mostly just clarifying the question asked is pretty much a "What champs do new people lose far more with than experienced ones?"
He's referencing the "intransferrable mastery curve" bit since that's Zirene's definition for it.
haha it gave me a good chuckle at least
yeah
oh that was just my own interpretation, like u think about that list for a second and u can see common patterns -__-
i may be dumb but i know these words from somewhere...
i think i got that "intransferrable mastery curve" thing from costy lol
They should make it so if you do support, you get your primary role guaranteed for the next 2 games, I would not mind playing support for 1 game if it meant I got mid 100% for the next 2 games.
I've played 26 games of mid this season in ranked and 28 of my secondary/fill. That's not very primary orientated is it?
I think Costy and I were both being stupid about the Lucian thing.
The issue is, is that he has changed a lot over the season.
The issue is, is that he has changed a lot over the season.
Or you could just learn how to play support? It shouldn't be this hard. Stop playing utility mages like meatshields is a start.
I can't learn roles I don't find fun. I spent a month and a half playing jungle in the pre season trying to learn it and couldn't for shit. I spent over a year playing adc as my secondary 50% of games in s6 and couldn't learn it well, at least not to a high diamond level.
The problem is they're boring as fuck.
I've played Viktor since before his first rework in 2014 when no one played him. Him and Yasuo are the champs I have the most fun with in the game, other than that I don't find many other champs fun apart from maybe Cass and Azir, but I like winning so no point in playing Azir atm. Gimme a Zeus and that'd be another champ I'd have fun with. Or an Invoker like champ.
If you want an actual busted champ it's Ryze atm. I don't actually know if he has a weakness.
It'll be interesting to see what the champion diversity in the first few patches leading up to LCS will look like.
That being said I honestly want to hear an explanation about Kayle. Do people just not like playing Kayle? She has like the highest win rate in the game and has consistently been good for carrying in solo queue since like... summer last year. Lmao. Just wondering why i don't ever see her, except me playing it.
That being said I honestly want to hear an explanation about Kayle. Do people just not like playing Kayle? She has like the highest win rate in the game and has consistently been good for carrying in solo queue since like... summer last year. Lmao. Just wondering why i don't ever see her, except me playing it.
Kayle is one of the most boring champions in the game.
The only reason I played her was because I couldn't be bothered to learn other roles. She basically removes the decision making aspects that you would need to have on other champions. She empowers your team in the worst way. I used to like Kayle to be honest, but now when I play her I don't even feel like I'm playing the game.
She's not played in the LCS because her early game is atrocious, and her damage is also atrocious. She's good in solo q because she's hard to fuckup on.
The only reason I played her was because I couldn't be bothered to learn other roles. She basically removes the decision making aspects that you would need to have on other champions. She empowers your team in the worst way. I used to like Kayle to be honest, but now when I play her I don't even feel like I'm playing the game.
She's not played in the LCS because her early game is atrocious, and her damage is also atrocious. She's good in solo q because she's hard to fuckup on.
Dreams-Visions
Member
agree. Kayle is really unfun.
Orochinagis
Member
Kayle is really bad at support , Nami can outperfrm her with ease.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Why are you running into Kayle support...
lmao
Have you tried Blitz?
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2375069950/42941535?tab=overview
EZ S+'s. You like S+'s, don't you? Do you enjoy tilting enemy adc's? Nothing feels worse than getting your ass snatched multiple times by Blitz.
Orochinagis
Member
Why are you running into Kayle support...
Well, Kayle is a support you like it or not.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
no she's not lol.
Orochinagis
Member
is Kayle no longer a Fighter/Support class?
And no, I havent use her a support for a long time
And no, I havent use her a support for a long time
Ghost is Bad
Banned
u tryin to trigger me bruh
Peanut Butter
Member
r.i.p
Yeah, this is why I couldn't stand dynamic.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
guys please
kayle is a fighter/support/adc/bruiser/tank/mage
everyone knows this, have you seen her kit?
kayle is a fighter/support/adc/bruiser/tank/mage
everyone knows this, have you seen her kit?
Orochinagis
Member
I know, I am just saying Kayle is still listed as support on her main role if you click on the support Champs , bot is easy when you play against her as support
Stone Ocean
Member
Seriously tho, you guys take arguments way too personally, that's supposd to be my thing
Yes
funnest champ in the game
Stone Ocean
Member
I'd be really happy about seeing Lee again if the jungle wasn't so fucking stupid right now.
All the fun of playing vs Lee is gone when he can just brute force his way around my ass.
All the fun of playing vs Lee is gone when he can just brute force his way around my ass.