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League of Legends |OT12| No more Lyte, just darkness.
- Thread starter zkylon
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I feel like the issue here is you think that either of these champions kill tanks relatively fast by any stretch of the imagination.
PBE IGN is Calvero
See, this is the issue right here that separates me and you.
She SHOULD have to care who her target is. She (and to a certain extent vayne) breaks the rock/paper/scissors dynamic. In my version of league, fiora would be a burst champion that blows up squishies and loses to tanks. At the very least have to buy a botrk to somewhat deal with them.
no but seriously what's wrong with hentai
she's a squishy, hypermobile dmg dealer type that is all about the 1v1 me bros and splitpushing. i see your point about her being a diver cos she does do the whole crash into your whole team and fuck up your carries thing like diana or irelia or whatever, but to me she just feels like a slayer with diver qualities than other way around
costy im asking "why isn't riven damage agnostic" and your reply to it is "because riven is not a slayer, a champion class defined by being damage agnostic"...
she's a squishy, hypermobile dmg dealer type that is all about the 1v1 me bros and splitpushing. i see your point about her being a diver cos she does do the whole crash into your whole team and fuck up your carries thing like diana or irelia or whatever, but to me she just feels like a slayer with diver qualities than other way around
Ghost is Bad
Banned
whats the point of playing fiora if she loses to tanks
shed be literally worthless lmao
shed be literally worthless lmao
BreezyLimbo
Banned
what are all these muddy role names
just have assassin, tank, mage, ranged assassin, and jungler(I guess).
like what makes a slayer a 'slayer'.
just have assassin, tank, mage, ranged assassin, and jungler(I guess).
like what makes a slayer a 'slayer'.
what's a ranged assassin lol
also as costy just said, they're the assholes like yasuo and yi and fiora that bullshit all over your team with untargetability, infinite mobility, megaheals and whatnot
Doesn't riven lose to certain tanks?
Is she worthless?
You must be right though. I guess nobody plays her.
Well, I guess the question is where would you put it in her kit and not make it feel disgusting? Basically all of Riven's kit is on-demand vs Fiora being mostly windows (timered, ultimate). There's not a lot of room in Riven's kit to put that and keep it as being spammable and on-demand.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
what's a ranged assassin lol
also as costy just said, they're the assholes like yasuo and yi and fiora that bullshit all over your team with untargetability, infinite mobility, megaheals and whatnot
adcs
granted it encompasses mages as well but...yeah, the mage tag could be nixed.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
riven smashes tanks LOL
PhillipCostigan
Member
she's not damage agnostic because she wasn't designed to be so. She deals flat damage on all of her abilities. She's designed to kill squishies and other divers/juggernauts, not tanks. She has some defining qualities, mainly her mobility that separate her from other divers who have their own unique mechanics. Riven's not designed to fight your front line, she's designed to be very good at killing your back line. Fiora is not. Fiora, Yi and Yasuo are designed to fight whomever they can reach.
I don't what else to say. She's designed to not be a slayer, Fiora is designed to be a slayer. Am I misunderstanding your question? your question was why is it ok for Fiora to have the mechanic in question and not Riven, I answered that.
what's a ranged assassin lol
also as costy just said, they're the assholes like yasuo and yi and fiora that bullshit all over your team with untargetability, infinite mobility, megaheals and whatnot
You see, in my version of league, champs like yasuo would use mana as a resource. All champs in my game would use mana as a resource because it provides additional ways to tune them.
A certain ability does too much damage or is too powerful overall? Increase the mana cost or increase the cooldown or nerf the damage. Now you have 3 tuning levers instead of 2.
PhillipCostigan
Member
so your argument boils down to "I designed a different game in my head where this mechanic doesn't exist so therefore it's bad for League of Legends, a game I did not design in my head and is fundamentally different from the game I designed in my head"
lol
lol
BreezyLimbo
Banned
atleast I compare things in league to hots
that makes it more fun
that makes it more fun
Ghost is Bad
Banned
cmon man at least breezy has a brain.
I was asked to elaborate and I did.
lol
Maybe you should try elaborating sometime instead of throwing out one liners.
I've kinda warmed up to HOTS. I no longer think it's completely shit, it has some merit.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
you applied logic from a game you designed in your head to a game with completely different mechanics and think that mechanics described solely in a vacuum are unfair.
joke doesn't even begin to describe what you posted lmao
shoulda played drow ranger :^)
Debatable.
Where did I describe things in a vaccum? I clearly used examples of current items in the game that could help balance things out. Did you read my post? lmao.
This is a little disingenuous since Riven isn't really fond of killing tanks and some of her worst match-ups are people who get too tanky for her. Granted, most of this is their ability to deny her gameplan rather than anything else but still.
Like, I want to agree but it has a little "But you know" attached to it.
You've never actually elaborated on anything, mostly just hinted at it and left the actual elaboration as "the numbers would be right!" or "It would be balanced!" instead.
"I'd do this instead and it'd be good" isn't really putting anything on the table to discuss. It's basically head in the clouds fluff without any actual meat to it. It's hard for something to hold up to scrutiny when there's nothing there in the first place.
Literally every last bit of the talk of %Max HP as True is speaking of it as a high level concept and nothing in terms of execution. The same for everything else for that matter as well.
PhillipCostigan
Member
ok I'm going to bed now because after reading this Trump stuff I can't take anything seriously right now lol
Ghost is Bad
Banned
1 post about fiora (a champ whose core build includes armor shred lol) building botrk (an item that makes it easier to kill squishy targets) lol.
keep reaching.
Wait. Wut....
Nowhere in my post did I ever say that my ideas would be easy to implement. It's hard work. I would even go as far as to say that my overall idea towards changing the game is pretty outrageous considering the legacy it has. If I had all the exact numbers and the perfect balance for all the scalings, I would be making my own moba right now instead of talking to you.
I guess I'm not allowed to discuss it in general terms? I have to mathematically break down how I would redesign each kit in the game in order for you to be satisfied? Hold on, I'll get back to you on that. Gimme 10 years lmao.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Gonna miss this President, goddamn. Trading in 8 years of this for 4 years of...that.
New WW looks fine.
sempai, then?
New WW looks fine.
sempai, then?
Dreams-Visions
Member
Understood. Updating future language accordingly.
actually the Lucian auto attack sound with the Project skin is probably my most disliked feature. The "tink tink" sounds so...
...they can do better than that.
Did you really just say botrk is good against squishies? lmao.
Sigismundo
Member
Legion Commander is the true 1v1 me bro hero anyway so
Dreams-Visions
Member
Damn. It just never grew on me. Maybe everyone else likes it. That's cool too. For me "tink" sounds so soft. Reminds me of the sound a toy would make...rather than what I expect the weapon of a badass cyborg marksman's gun ought to make.
Oh well.
She damn sure is. None of that "suppress" can't fight back shit. She is literally "fite me bro!" <3
Dreams-Visions
Member
How does updated Lucian feel so far? Looks like that last game would have been tough to feel out.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
you claim to play the game in 2k17 and you still dont know how worthless botrk is vs tanks lul.
I want to play more games on him, Draven and Kalista to see how they are.
Dreams-Visions
Member
kk do keep us posted. ty
Of course botrk is worthless on its own against tanks. You need a last whisper item to go with it.
But you just said it's good against squishies. lul
The gold efficiency of the item needs to be addressed, but I don't think it's good against them.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
TIL easier = good. everything i knew about english was wrong guys.
you can keep making your hypothetical game all you want in your head but don't make a low-effort shitpost and then get offended when everyone calls you on it.
you can keep making your hypothetical game all you want in your head but don't make a low-effort shitpost and then get offended when everyone calls you on it.