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VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I know it's from Touhou. Maybe that's why they renamed it, to avoid copyright issues.
It was a reference to weeabo stuff by the designer who is no longer around to potentially stop them. I dunno. Riot hates fun.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
They nerfed AP Lulu and AP Janna, this is confirmed.
SouthernDragon
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Where do you guys see these changes? The patch notes aren't out yet...
PBE patch notes. Most of the stuff in PBE get released in the real patch anyway unless the author made it all up
WAIT WHAT. THEY NERFED AP MUMMY. NOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo
Battlecast Urgot was a regular priced skin right?
I don't know. I think I've only played classic Urgot once and washed that out of my brain already.
Honestly, they set a new bar with Legendaries and I can't imagine them doing Legendaries like they used to anymore. They'll probably continue to do that half off for the first week and have intricate Legendaries in the future. I think the battlecast will be 975
Battlecast Cho'Gath is a pretty clear step above any of the recent skin releases besides Pulsefire Ezreal. He has new animations for almost everything. Entirely new spell effects and animations to trigger them. More voice work than most champions have. Like, you are seriously kidding yourself if you think this is going to be a normally priced skin.
Wtf? New animations too? Nvm. I thought it was just voices.
EDIT: I think it'd be a cool Legendary Skin if he had different amount of armor depending on his stacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_aVyShT8lw
yeah legendary, i guess i'll pass.
yeah legendary, i guess i'll pass.
They always nerf new champions on the 4th week, not the 2nd week, right?
I still say that the last three champions have been very unique and also surprisingly balanced -- Jayce is flexible (though almost always top). He's powerful but not ultra snowball DPS. Draven has a lot of damage potential, but it can take quite a high skill level (or luck with bounces lolol etc.) to manage it properly. Kyra has nice damage over time with the plants, and decent burst, but has no escape, mobility, or shield and is thus very vulnerable to ganks (seeds can technically help with this for 30 seconds but I feel like it's almost a waste).
I am scared about her though, since I think my first two normal SR Zyra games I was like 12/4 and 14/2 and won both. I was lucky the second one since we had a super fed Olaf though. The one thing I am ULTRA terrible at is hitting anyone with her passive. The delay always throws me off and I don't think I've killed anyone with it.
zyra is broken, she will get nerfs.
she can just put 2 seeds and spawn plants to farm.
they need to nerf her mana cost and maybe her range.
If you crushingly nerf mana, base damages (which don't have great ratios if I recall correctly, thus some people earlier in this thread commenting about her late game), and get rid of long-range attacks, I think Zyra might become a nearly useless/unused mage with no mobility, shield, or escape besides snare and knockup.
I really don't like the idea of kneejerk reactions without giving 4 weeks (or maybe 4-8 months of tournament play or something) for things to settle down.
And then Riot should post stats about how many solo queue 5v5 games she won, what the average KDR was, etc. So the community outcry can be educated!
I'm not sure anyone tried to gank me my last entire game. I think an earlier poster reported stomping a Zyra by repeatedly ganking.
I really don't like the idea of kneejerk reactions without giving 4 weeks (or maybe 4-8 months of tournament play or something) for things to settle down.
And then Riot should post stats about how many solo queue 5v5 games she won, what the average KDR was, etc. So the community outcry can be educated!
I'm not sure anyone tried to gank me my last entire game. I think an earlier poster reported stomping a Zyra by repeatedly ganking.
Zyra has been overpowered forever. It's not a kneejerk. It was obvious on the PBE and it's obvious now. The question is whether or not this being Morello's pet project will get in the way of game balance.
And please stop saying she is an easy gank. Xerath is an easy gank. Morde is an easy gank. Malz is an easy gank. Swain is an easy gank. Zyra has a long range, easy and safe pushing, free vision, slows, and easy multi target ranged roots. She has a lot of tools to deal with ganking.
And please stop saying she is an easy gank. Xerath is an easy gank. Morde is an easy gank. Malz is an easy gank. Swain is an easy gank. Zyra has a long range, easy and safe pushing, free vision, slows, and easy multi target ranged roots. She has a lot of tools to deal with ganking.
Mineeee.
I did the maths on the day of her release.
She has 500 base damage from her q,e,r at level 6. People usually have around 80ap at this time. So add in (48+40+56=144). So thats 644 damage plus scaling.
Now you add the plant damage.
Her plants do 78 magic damage (scaled with 80ap) every hit with an as of 0.8. If you combo right, the plants will have an as of 1.6 with the ult applied. And the range plant has massive range.
She snares for 0.75 to 1.5 seconds depending on whether you leveled E or Q first.
The pop up from her ult will probably make you stay in the range of the plants for 2-3seconds. I'll use 2.5seconds.
With the 1.6as from the plants, they will hit you around 3 times.
This means (78x2x3=468) damage just from the plants.
Add that all: 468+644=1112 magic damage. Add an ignite in there with a few autoattacks.
If you say her base damage isn't high, then I don't know what you do call high then.
The combo really isn't hard to pull off too. If you land a snare, you can pull it off with ease.
Edit: Double checked and I am totally wrong on this!
She has preemptive ways to deal with ganks but, once they're on her, she's more-or-less done. This isn't necessarily an "OMG TERRIBLE" thing since that merely puts her with all the other no built-in escape AP mids but I wouldn't say she's strong vs a gank. She's merely with the rest of the escape-less AP mids: Ways to deal with them on the approach but Flash reliant once they're on her.
Level 3 Q + Level 1 W + Level 1 E + Level 1 R = 155 + 0 + 60 + 200 = 415 Damage or 559 with 80 AP Scaling (combined ratio of 1.8).
It should only be 1.2 APS, not 1.6.
The plants deal 78 + .75 * 78 or 136.5 damage every attack cycle, not 156. Realistically speaking, you'll get ~4 attack cycles with the ultimate in use though (3.33s).
559 + (136.5 * Attacks) for her full combo damage or 1105 magic damage assuming ~3.5 seconds of plant time which is down to around 850 after baseMR. To put this in perspective, Ahri's full Level 6 combo (assuming 3Q not 3W) is 475 base + 2.86AP or 704 damage. Also put in perspective, a Level 6 Zyra at full HP would survive both of these bursts but still die to an auto + Ignite.
Zyra matches that by 1.7s (two plant attacks) and with just the one skillshot. And at a much lower mana cost.
Edit: If we want to take it to Level 18:
Zyra: 875 base + 1.8AP + (234.5 + .35AP) * Attacks
Ahri: 1235 base + 2.86AP [140 + .33AP of it being true damage]
Ah yeah I had a follow on error with the 500 when it was 400 (Rounded down)
And the ult increases AS by 50% not 100%. My bad there as well.
Regarding the plant damage though:
This is the scaling on their damage: 26 + (6 × level) + (0.2 per ability power)
26+(6*6)+(0.2*80)=78
You'll have 2 plants out so itll be 156 for both of them attacking at once.
But all in all, its pretty clear that zyra needs base stat nerfs and better ap scalings.
She can single handedly turn the tide in a team fight with her utility and since her base damages are so high, she'll still do a lot of damage mid game even if she is shut down.
I've seen under farmed and underleveled Zyras go legendary mid game.
And her utility is just so damn good and shouldn't be touched.
And the ult increases AS by 50% not 100%. My bad there as well.
Regarding the plant damage though:
This is the scaling on their damage: 26 + (6 × level) + (0.2 per ability power)
26+(6*6)+(0.2*80)=78
You'll have 2 plants out so itll be 156 for both of them attacking at once.
But all in all, its pretty clear that zyra needs base stat nerfs and better ap scalings.
She can single handedly turn the tide in a team fight with her utility and since her base damages are so high, she'll still do a lot of damage mid game even if she is shut down.
I've seen under farmed and underleveled Zyras go legendary mid game.
And her utility is just so damn good and shouldn't be touched.
-25% for attacking the same target so:
78 + .75 * 78 = 136.5, not 156.
Edit: I do expect them to change the plants to 20 + (5 * level) + (.2AP) and maybe dropping her E damage some more. That or, like you say, dropping some base damage everywhere and upping her Q/E ratios by ~0.10 to compensate. She does really well with limited items BUT she also farms and zones really well which makes her laning phase all the scarier.
Well, the reveal says she's a Jungler. We'll see if that holds true still.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6quuTICnyw8
jungle diana, looks really good.
jungle diana, looks really good.
Her skillshot looks odd. But nice.
Wolf Akela
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Played Nidalee in ARAM. Broken beyond belief. The spears are hilariously easy to land. You don't always have minions to block it. Whenever fights break out you won't really notice spears sneaking in. I was going 15/0/x with only 2x Dorans and shoes. I played mindlessly towards the end of my life because I wanna to go home already.
I'd rather have her than Blitz. Oh, enemy Blitz/Brand/Xerath started casting? Spear to the face.
Cass is another ridiculously powerful champ in Proving Grounds. Nearly won a 3v5 with an ally Brand. We did double WotA. 40% Spellvamp is so awesome. Ended up with 44/15/x.
I'd rather have her than Blitz. Oh, enemy Blitz/Brand/Xerath started casting? Spear to the face.
Cass is another ridiculously powerful champ in Proving Grounds. Nearly won a 3v5 with an ally Brand. We did double WotA. 40% Spellvamp is so awesome. Ended up with 44/15/x.
XeroSauce
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Those are horrible and yet amazing at the same time hahahaha
Jazzy Network
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Oh god I can't wait for Diana. (Real) Jungle AP finally. My Akali still ownz tho.
Who would pick Cheerleader Frejlord Ashe over Ice Bitch Frejlord Ashe? I am outraged I tell you.
Also Xerath. That safe poke! Except against Nid
Anyone else watching ECC: Poland? Just saw a great match between m5 and Elohell. Guardian Angels, everywhere.
http://tournaments.leagueoflegends.com/ecc-poland
CLGeu vs M5 RIGHT NOW
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The problem with Zyra is that she gets too good a damage for what you pay for, in this case mana costs. Either one of those things need nerf. Right now a lot of people max Q first but maxing E first is much much better. Although the scaling isn't as good as Q, the base damage is the same as Q and then combo this in with her Q and ult and it's crazy amount of damage. She needs a nerf stat. If I can play her without csing and win, she's pretty much warranting a nerf. Either nerf damage or nerf costs, maybe even mana regen - cuz she never ever runs out of it. Most likely it'll be nerfing the mana costs.
Inskipp
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Just had a hell of a match.
Probably one of the tougher soloq games I've had during this season. Got camped really hard early game, and lost my tower as well. Things were looking pretty grim until we managed to slowly turn it around during mid- game.
Having a farmed Kog also helped a lot.
Probably one of the tougher soloq games I've had during this season. Got camped really hard early game, and lost my tower as well. Things were looking pretty grim until we managed to slowly turn it around during mid- game.
Having a farmed Kog also helped a lot.
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