No, that wasn't even the change that helped. Nunu used to have major mana issues as a jungler. Now he doesn't. His dragon and baron control also became insane because Consume does full damage to those targets. Those were the changes.
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I'm not saying cooldown is the sole reason. I'm saying it also added to the fact that people looked at Nunu and decided that he was viable again.
Jazzy Network
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Super sustain. Little to no mana costs. Hard to gank. Can poke constantly.
Princess Carl
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I hate watching him shine in high level play because he has the potential, just not with my group of friends lol....
...because of the changes. I'm not sure what you are getting at.
He's a beastly laner, can pretty much full heal every 10 seconds with consume and has a low CD nuke with snowball. He's still shit late game as top laner, though, so if you can survive to the 30 minute mark you'll essentially be facing a team with two supports.
Princess Carl
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ryze urgot nocturne again. love the synergy.
Right. I was just adding to his original claim since he didn't mention cooldowns. That's all.
Hmm, Abyss on mid is a good idea, I usually leave it for the far end of the match, but I think it may be better than rushing Rilay's if I'm fighting against a scary mid. But good tips, I'm a bit smarter at harassing with autoattacks and saving up mana with Lux, because I at least know how much mana her spells cost
I wish I could get a redo. Knowing this stuff and a friendly jungler handing me blue buff once might've made a huge difference. Not saying I'd beat him, since the guy was really good, but I would at least given him a fight.
Jazzy Network
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he is played in high play because they are playing him pre nerfs, no one will ever touch him after the nerfs.I hate watching him shine in high level play because he has the potential, just not with my group of friends lol....
...because of the changes. I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Hmm, Abyss on mid is a good idea, I usually leave it for the far end of the match, but I think it may be better than rushing Rilay's if I'm fighting against a scary mid. But good tips, I'm a bit smarter at harassing with autoattacks and saving up mana with Lux, because I at least know how much mana her spells cost
I like an early Abyssal if you're not doing that well in lane vs someone aggressive. I'd say it's a far better option than an early Rylais. On that note, I'd probably never build Rylai's first unless you're being hyper aggressive and they're always trying to kite you ... but you'd probably still be better with any other option. Rylai's is a nice item for after your core.
Edit: Or if you just want the MR and to cement your lead in the match, I guess, for the early Abyssal. Especially if their mid gets some MR to try and give themselves a chance vs you.
Vlad is a good laner but he needs to be played right. He can be aggressive and harass but he gets crushed if he gets too aggressive. Playing vs Vlad is to just make him lose a lot of HP every time he tries to go up. He may sustain really well but you can make it too costly for him to step up.
Princess Carl
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With Ahri I do 2 Doran's, Hextech Revolver, Boots, then Rilay's, so it's not like I'm rushing it. I get Rilay's before a WotA because of the extra health, but Abbyss might give me more survivability. I'm not a big fan of Rilay's anyways
I should probably go all out on him every time he uses his Q, but he can blood pool himself into safety. He's pretty tough :/
League needs a new ghost champion, and I'm interested in what they can do with how good all their new champions are looking compared to old stuff.
With Ahri I do 2 Doran's, Hextech Revolver, Boots, then Rilay's, so it's not like I'm rushing it. I get Rilay's before a WotA because of the extra health, but Abbyss might give me more survivability. I'm not a big fan of Rilay's anyways
That's actually what I meant by Rylai's first since Ahri almost always gets that early Revolver :x I just like Deathcap or Abyssal better before a Rylai's generally speaking.
That's kind of your goal. He Qs, you auto him or hit him with your Q (or Q+W). He W's away which costs him 20% of his health, minus whatever he sustains back. It's then down for 26s (-3s/level, usually leveled last) which makes his own harassment ability suffer. You just take these small wins over the course of three, four, five, etc. trades in lane.
*female ghost champion?
Edit: On that note, how have they not done a Yuki-onna type champ?
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
MLG is really stepping up their professionalism. Putting other tournaments on blast.
I use it. It's great on Singed and several AD carries.
There is also a summoner spell called Smite and you don't need a beta invite.
Schmattakopf
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This is why you don't put me mid.
they un nerfed his q but the other nerfs are still there.
- lower range on q and ultimate.
-higher cooldowns on e
useless champion is useless.
Don't do this.
Oh, awright, I'm probably gonna end up replacing it for one of those two (or even go to wuss town and get a RoA
). Gonna try Abyss first since Rab's too risky if you're not all that confident with your champ.Can't believe you're not even level 30 yet and manage to remember all this stuff
Can't believe you're not even level 30 yet and manage to remember all this stuff
To be fair, Vlad was one of my first few champs :x
I've won many games as Ashe with flash and ghost, kite all day never die op #1
It's awesome on a nasus...
Put ult up, ghost, and eviscerate the enemy team (if they haven't been fed by your own in the first 10 minutes)
Just started playing this with some friends, so far I like ashe and I like twisted fate, even though it took me a fair few games to get the hang of him
Really enjoying Jax atm. Fairly easy to get into as well.
No.
That really depends. I personally am more a fan of Rylais->Rab. Great survivability and your ganks become so very very goood. W sets up people for charm so hard with it.
Abyssal is also great, WotA only if I feel heavy pressure. The drain is not enough to really make a difference when going for blue alone in a pub :-(
He means champions who are actually ghosts.
But for real. Stop using Ghost in 99% of regular situations. So useless compared to Flash.
Hasphat'sAnts
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It's not an essential item anymore. Zhonya's/Hat/Abyssal/Rylais all come before Wota
There's a few champs who do prefer Ghost, however. But, yeah, Flash is generally better.
Since I was clueless I just looked up the current brackets in MLG. Apparently all series have been 3-0 defeats so far. Blaze is 6-0 and still needs to play Curse. Curse went 3-0 against BLACK.
TSM still needs to play BLACK, and TSM still needs to play Curse. *fake edit* TSM is currently beating Curse 2-0, so that may be the fourth 3-0 series in a row.
TSM still needs to play BLACK, and TSM still needs to play Curse. *fake edit* TSM is currently beating Curse 2-0, so that may be the fourth 3-0 series in a row.
What if the minions are trying to last hit us.
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