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kayos90

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SouthernDragon said:
Level 30? Man, I don't know what to tell you, but you should know better. Hell, Wrekt here is telling us that the meta has trickled down to the 100-200 win area.



Only if I'm on the opposing side. I remember I got paired up with someone bot who was not a support in any way.

It's the only game I can recall actively raging against someone else. It was, unsurprisingly, a 20 minute loss.
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Wasn't I in that game?
 
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SouthernDragon

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kayos90 said:
Wasn't I in that game?
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I know I was with GAF, dunno if it was an inhouse.

I was Sivir, paired with Garen. It might have worked alright if Garen had stayed in the bushes, harassed the opposing champions, and been on Mumble.

No mumble, took my last hits, and never entered the bush. Gave first blood, too. We were eaten alive.

I just gave up. :(
 
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Achtius

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SouthernDragon said:
I know I was with GAF, dunno if it was an inhouse.

I was Sivir, paired with Garen. It might have worked alright if Garen had stayed in the bushes, harassed the opposing champions, and been on Mumble.

No mumble, took my last hits, and never entered the bush. Gave first blood, too. We were eaten alive.

I just gave up. :(
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the proverbal garen in the bush
 
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EXGN

Member
SouthernDragon said:
Level 30? Man, I don't know what to tell you, but you should know better. Hell, Wrekt here is telling us that the meta has trickled down to the 100-200 win area.
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Ultimately it boils down to player skill. Doesn't matter what meta you follow (or don't follow), if you suck you're gonna lose.

I've played so many games with no jungler on my team, and me and top just zone the shit out of the solo top because he doesn't know to just let the wave push and buy GP5 items until he out levels us. We ward our blue so if the enemy jungle tries to take it we gank 'em.

There are a lot of people that are horrible at this game. You talk like everyone watches tournaments and follows the meta of how the game is played, but the fact that like 75 percent of the player base (a number I've heard before - maybe Rayven can verify?) is less than 1200 Elo can't be ignored.

The current meta is mathematically the best way to win, but so long as you have people that can't play to these theoretical standards there will always be ways to lose to a team/character/set up that is technically worse.
 
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Zissou

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I agree with the above. Meta matters when fairly skilled coordinated teams face off against each other, but at lower level play it may not necessarily apply, especially when people are just mindlessly following the meta without understanding WHY it works and what to do to exploit the fact the enemy team isn't following the meta.
 
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Mister Wilhelm

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A non-support bottom lane CAN work, but you need to have two players in great sync with each other.

If you're going to have a fully offensive lane, no matter what, you need to have one person building GP10 items.

The best non-support bot lane I've been in was with a Tristana when I was Xerath. Right off the bat I built Kage's and Philo's and she got wriggles ASAP. What we did was always ward the entrance to our lane while she farmed and I occasionally took a creep but focused on zoning out Cait and Soraka HARD. By level 6 they weren't touching any creeps or getting XP. Every time they came in, Trist would jump on Cait and I'd nuke her.

We took tower and dragon by level 8/10 and they were both still just getting to 7. Whenever Udyr came in to gank, I'd stun him and Trist would blow him away.

I was definitely behind on farm most of the game but our early lane dominance led to dragon control the entire time and we ganked mid and their red buff constantly after that. Udyr had half a jungle and started falling behind.

You can make it work but you have to succeed early game. HAVE to.
 
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Wrekt

Member
SouthernDragon said:
Level 30? Man, I don't know what to tell you, but you should know better. Hell, Wrekt here is telling us that the meta has trickled down to the 100-200 win area.
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Apparently people only follow the meta in blind pick. I've been playing a couple draft games and I've been matched up against 5 carries and no jungler every time.

My teams have followed the meta and won pretty easily though.
 
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Ketch

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coming into this game new is a kick in the junk. Just had a smurf ziggs complain that I was a newb followed by constant all chat of blaming shit on "the newbs on his team" and team chat of "this is pissing me off".

Edit: Don't smurf.
 
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Volimar

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Door2Dawn said:
I understand the meta just fine. I just don't give a shit about it.
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The problem is that your 4 team mates do, and when 4 people follow "the plan" and the fifth doesn't, the fifth is automatically deemed the culprit behind a loss, even if you carried the game.
 
kiunchbb

kiunchbb

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EasyTGT said:
coming into this game new is a kick in the junk. Just had a smurf ziggs complain that I was a newb followed by constant all chat of blaming shit on "the newbs on his team" and team chat of "this is pissing me off".

Edit: Don't smurf.
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I remember my newbie games were pretty fun, I did a lot of stupid stuff, but never had anyone screaming at me until I get to level 20s or so. There are even player helping me out pointing my mistake and stuff.

Volimar said:
The problem is that your 4 team mates do, and when 4 people follow "the plan" and the fifth doesn't, the fifth is automatically deemed the culprit behind a loss, even if you carried the game.
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It is a fair judgement to make, if you point out that your not going to babysit bot lane during champion select, most of time people will adjust to your play style (either changing to support to babysit you or move the ad carry to mid/top). I know because I played a fair amount of games as Eve solo q (dam gaf haters), bot lane will just put a sustain bruiser in bot lane instead of ad carry so I can roam.

If someone just go in, instant lock a champ without saying anything, go bot lane and steal cs from ad carry knowing the standard meta exist. I don't know what to say.
 
XeroSauce

XeroSauce

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Zissou said:
I agree with the above. Meta matters when fairly skilled coordinated teams face off against each other, but at lower level play it may not necessarily apply, especially when people are just mindlessly following the meta without understanding WHY it works and what to do to exploit the fact the enemy team isn't following the meta.
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When someone refuses to work with his teammates it isn't a question of meta, it's a question of "can you adapt to your team and theirs in any situation". That's why the "meta" works so well, because there are well-defined roles.

I've done Ryze/Sona bot, Alistar Shaco bot. It still works, but you have to work around the fact that there are 2 of you in lane. If your AD starts to complain, get him a kill or grab a GP5 and maybe even start roaming. Just because one person on your team is so adhesive to the meta doesn't mean you have to shite on their parade.

IsayFever said:
The word is "skim"
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Cheers.
 
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Zissou

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I didn't mean to imply you shouldn't work with teammates- of course you should! (if you want to win)

I understand the meta is probably the "best" way to play the game (and I generally follow it myself), I'm just not a fan of the mindless slavish adherence to a single set playstyle stifling creative play and thinking for yourself.
 
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SouthernDragon

Member
EasyTGT said:
coming into this game new is a kick in the junk. Just had a smurf ziggs complain that I was a newb followed by constant all chat of blaming shit on "the newbs on his team" and team chat of "this is pissing me off".

Edit: Don't smurf.
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Welcome! :)

Zissou said:
I didn't mean to imply you shouldn't work with teammates- of course you should! (if you want to win)

I understand the meta is probably the "best" way to play the game (and I generally follow it myself), I'm just not a fan of the mindless slavish adherence to a single set playstyle stifling creative play and thinking for yourself.
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Absolutely. Just make sure to coordinate and let your teammates know ahead of time. I love me some Jarvan/Leona bot.

kiunchbb said:
You know it is a serious problem when you guys don't even realize your raging. I can record a match to prove it! *instant lock eve*
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i just lol at your eve now

Hey, we actively ban her in inhouse games, that's a compliment.
 
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Jenga

Banned
people need to stop banning ziggs already

that dude is not even remotely OP, and he's barely a threat in lane (if you start boots)
 
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Jenga

Banned
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Heartseeker Vayne
Subterranean Nautilus
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PVP.net v1.54

Co op versus AI
Added Ziggs, Master Yi, Nasus, Ezreal, and Nidalee to the bot roster
Players can now add many more of the Beginner bots to Custom Games
Spectator
Major item purchases will now be visually distinguished on the Scoreboard
Ranked Teams
Match History and End of Games stats for Ranked Teams are now accessible via the Team Profile
General
PVP.net will now wait for 8 seconds after a queue dodge before requeuing


League of Legends v1.0.0.134
Nautilus, the Titan of the Depths

Staggering Blow (Passive) – Nautilus’ first basic attack against a target deals bonus physical damage and immobilizes the opponent briefly. Staggering Blow cannot trigger on the same target more than once every 12 seconds.
Dredge Line - Nautilus throws his anchor forward. If he hits an enemy, he'll drag himself to his target and his target to him. If he hits terrain, he'll drag himself to the terrain and the cooldown is reduced.
Titan’s Wrath- Nautilus places a shield on himself that absorbs additional damage based on his maximum health. While the shield is active, Nautilus' attacks deal damage over time to units around him.
Riptide- Nautilus slams the ground, causing the earth to ripple out in waves. Each wave deals damage and slows the targets hit. This slow decays over time. Multiple waves that hit the same target deal reduced damage.
Depth Charge(Ultimate) – Nautilus launches a depth charge towards a target that picks up speed as it travels. This charge knocks up all enemies it encounters while traveling and explodes on impact, stunning the target and launching them into the air.


Ahri

Spirit Rush
The allied ultimate HUD indicator will now remain green until all 3 spell casts are used
Cooldown between casts increased to 1 second from 0.75
Cooldown increased to 110/95/80 seconds from 90/80/70


Alistar

Pulverize mana cost reduced to 70/80/90/100/110 from 80/90/100/110/120
Headbutt mana cost reduced to 70/80/90/100/110 from 70/85/100/115/130
Triumphant Roar mana cost increased at later ranks to 20/35/50/65/80 from 20/30/40/50/60


Cassiopeia

Fixed a bug where Miasma's slow was not stacking with many other slows in the game
Noxious Blast ability power ratio reduced to 0.8 from 0.9
Twin Fang damage reduced to 50/85/120/155/190 from 60/95/130/165/200


Gangplank

Parrley mana cost increased to 50/55/60/65/70 from 40/45/50/55/60
Raise Morale range reduced to 1200 from 1500


Heimerdinger

Fixed a bug where H28G Evolution Turrets could survive when Heimerdinger died if they were being teleported to


Irelia

Transcendent Blades' allied ultimate HUD indicator will now remain green until all 4 spell casts are used


Kennen

Thundering Shuriken cooldown increased to 8/7/6/5/4 from 7/6/5/4/3


Maokai

Vengeful Maelstrom's allied ultimate HUD indicator will now turn grey as soon as it is cast


Nunu

Fixed a bug where Absolute Zero's slow did not grant assists


Rammus

Defensive Ball Curl armor and magic resist values reduced to 40/60/80/100/120 from 50/75/100/125/150


Riven

Blade of the Exile's allied ultimate HUD indicator will now remain green until the shockwave cast is used


Ryze

Overload mana ratio reduced to 7.5% from 8%


Shen

Ki Strike
Damage increased to 10-112 (+10% bonus Health) from 10-95 (+8% bonus Health)
Cooldown is now reduced by 1.5 seconds whenever Shen attacks instead of 2 seconds when being attacked
Now grants Shen 10/20/30 energy when he Ki Strikes
Damage now scale correctly with all sources of bonus Health (% health runes, Juggernaut mastery)
Added a buff timer for Ki Strike's cooldown (like Ziggs' Short Fuse)
Vorpal Blade
Energy cost adjusted to 60 from 70/65/60/55/50
Damage adjusted to 60/105/150/195/240 (+0.6 ability power) from 70/105/140/175/210 (+0.75 ability power)
Heal effect changed to 6/10/14/18/22 (+2% of Shen's maximum Health) from 18/26/34/42/50
If Vorpal Blade deals the killing blow, it will now trigger 33% of the heal effect for Shen
Allied damaging spells can now trigger the heal effect, in addition to attacks (Vorpal Blade cannot trigger itself)
Feint
Feint duration increased to 3 seconds from 2.5
Energy cost reduced to 40 from 45
Shield amount adjusted to 70/120/170/220/270 (+0.6 ability power) from 50/100/150/200/250 (+0.75 ability power)
While Feint is active, Ki Strike’s cooldown reduction on hit is increased to 3 seconds from 1.5
Shadow Dash
Cooldown reduced to 10/9.5/9/8.5/8 seconds from 10
Energy cost increased to 120 from 120/115/110/105/100
Restores 40 energy per champion affected (rather than a flat 50 energy if you affect one)
Now deals 50/85/120/155/190 damage (+0.5 ability power) to Champions
Taunt duration adjusted to 1.5 seconds from 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2
Shadow Dash now grants Shen 50% physical damage reduction from taunted targets
Stand United
Channel time increased to 3 seconds from 2.5
Shield duration reduced to 5 seconds from 7.5
Shield amount increased to 250/550/850 from 200/475/750


Shyvana

Fixed a bug where Flame Breath could shred the armor of shred-immune units (Dragon, Baron Nashor)
Dragon's Descent allied ultimate HUD indicator will now go grey immediately after using


Sona

Power Chord damage adjusted to 10 per level from 14 + 9 per level
Hymn of Valor passive attack damage and ability power aura reduced at earlier ranks to 4/8/12/16/20 from 8/11/14/17/20
Aria of Perseverance passive armor and magic resist aura reduced at earlier ranks to 3/6/9/12/15 from 7/9/11/13/15
Song of Celerity passive movement speed aura reduced at earlier ranks to 4/8/12/16/20 from 8/11/14/17/20


Soraka

Improved Soraka's basic attack to be more responsive
Starcall mana cost adjusted to 20/30/40/50/60 from 35/40/45/50/55
Astral Blessing mana cost adjusted to 80/110/140/170/200 from 90/110/130/150/170
Infuse
No longer affects Soraka when cast on allies and cannot be cast on self
Ally mana restore increased to 40/80/120/160/200 Mana from 25/50/75/100/125


Talon

Shadow Assault's allied ultimate HUD indicator will now go grey immediately after casting


Vladimir

Crimson Pact will now correctly work with all sources of bonus Health (% health runes, Juggernaut mastery)
Hemoplague damage amplification reduced to 12% from 14%
Tides of Blood healing bonus adjusted to 4/5/6/7/8% per rank from 8% at all ranks


Volibear

Fixed a bug where Majestic Roar could reduce minion movement speed to 0


Warwick

Eternal Thirst now deals 3-16 magic damage per stack, and restores an equal amount of health
Infinite Duress damage changed to 250/335/420 (+2.0 bonus attack damage) from 200/300/400 (+1.67 total attack damage)
Base attack speed increased to 0.679 from 0.644


Wukong

Cyclone's allied ultimate HUD indicator will now go grey immediately after using
Fixed a bug where Crushing Blow could reduce the armor of shred-immune units (Dragon, Baron Nashor)


Xerath

Arcane Barrage's allied ultimate HUD indicator will now remain green until all 3 spell casts are used


Zilean

Fixed a bug where Chronoshift could prevent a clone from expiring, allowing them to survive indefinitely until killed


Items

Sight Wards and Vision Wards now have a 0.5 second cooldown
Hextech Revolver spell vamp reduced to 12% from 15%


General

The disconnect notification will now only be shown to enemy players if a player disconnects and remains disconnected for 5 minutes. The message will continue to be shown without a delay for allied players.
Heal and Clarity summoner spells will now restore health/mana to the caster even if they are untargetable when the summoner spell is cast (Fizz's Playful/Trickster, Vladimir's Sanguine Pool, Zhonya's Hourglass)
Baron Nashor can no longer critically strike, but his base damage has been increased 10% to compensate
Updated Baron Nashor's character stats so that his attack damage reflects how much damage he actually deals
Kill messages in chat now have team colors and display who was slain
Added Colorblind colors for Morgana’s spell shield and Spectator pings
Fixed a bug where some particles would flicker unintentionally
Fixed a bug where kill indicators were missing golden borders

Co-Op Versus AI

Improved Ashe's use of Enchanted Crystal Arrow on long range targets
Sivir will no longer get Sanguine Blade on Summoner's Rift
Changed the disconnect adjustment to remove the Fighter instead of the Tank on Summoner's Rift
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Blizzard

Banned
Rammus

Defensive Ball Curl armor and magic resist values reduced to 40/60/80/100/120 from 50/75/100/125/150
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30 armor and magic resist loss? That sounds rather substantial.

Soraka can't give herself mana now? Bwaha? I guess if she can't restore mana, spamming starcall may be a bad idea (or maybe it's okay, and she just needs archangel's staff).

I guess that's an overall warwick buff? Or is the passive a semi-nerf? I wonder if he'll be better in the jungle now.
 
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Flare

Member
General
PVP.net will now wait for 8 seconds after a queue dodge before requeuing
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Clearly this is the best improvement.

Edit: And this:
The disconnect notification will now only be shown to enemy players if a player disconnects and remains disconnected for 5 minutes. The message will continue to be shown without a delay for allied players.
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kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
That Ahri nerf is good. Early game was the problem for many people against her. Now you have to use it as an escape or offensively with a longer CD.
 
Inskipp

Inskipp

Member
Those Shen- buffs
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Time to dust off my old Shen- rune page...
 
kiunchbb

kiunchbb

www.dictionary.com
Both Sona and Ahri nerf?!?!

Are they forcing me to play Lee Sin or Riven?

1 full seconds between cast on Ahri's ult is pretty huge, before you can circle around champion with hard stun to avoid them clicking on you.... with one full second I can target her while ulting with my feet or something.

A ult with 2 min cooldown.... NOOOOO
 
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kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
kiunchbb said:
Both Sona and Ahri nerf?!?!

Are they forcing me to play Lee Sin or Riven?

1 full seconds between cast on Ahri's ult is pretty huge, before you can circle around champion with hard stun to avoid them clicking on you.... with one full second I can target her while ulting with my feet or something.

A ult with 2 min cooldown.... NOOOOO
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I think the nerf was needed (not this much though) but it's sad that Riot succumbs to peer pressure so easily for crap like this.
 
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