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League of Legends |OT3| Lizards are red, golems are blue. Give a leash or no gank 4 u
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Hey guys, I'm trying to find a replacement for abyssal scepter (+70ap, aura: -20MR on enemies) on Gragas. I just realized the aura's range on it is only 600 which is tiny and pretty much worthless for Gragas (his Q is 1100 range). So naturally I thought void staff (+70ap, +35% magic pen), but I was also looking at lyandry's torment (+70ap, +200hp, +15magic pen, spell damage burns enemies for 5% of their max hp does double damage to enemies who are slowed).
So my questions are how much MR does the enemy need for void staff's +35% magic pen to equal lyndra's +15 magic pen, I did some rough math on my own and I think it's only like 45 MR... but I don't think I know what I'm doing.
Also, Lyandra's passive is weaker on AOE abilities, but does double damage if the enemy is slowed, and Graga's bodyslam is an AOE slow. So do you think lyandra's would syngerize well with body slam or not?
My final build should look something like this (in order of purchase):
Sorc shoes
Rod of the Ages
Rabadon's Deathcap
DeathFire Grasp
Lich Bane
Lyandra's torment or void staff
So my questions are how much MR does the enemy need for void staff's +35% magic pen to equal lyndra's +15 magic pen, I did some rough math on my own and I think it's only like 45 MR... but I don't think I know what I'm doing.
Also, Lyandra's passive is weaker on AOE abilities, but does double damage if the enemy is slowed, and Graga's bodyslam is an AOE slow. So do you think lyandra's would syngerize well with body slam or not?
My final build should look something like this (in order of purchase):
Sorc shoes
Rod of the Ages
Rabadon's Deathcap
DeathFire Grasp
Lich Bane
Lyandra's torment or void staff
Wolf Akela
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Abyssal's been buffed to 700 since S3.
Even with the +100 range..... it' still not even getting close to the max range of Gragas' Q or his ulti.
Just to note, Liandry's isn't technically weaker on AoE abilities. It doesn't last as long but deals the same damage per tick. So while it is less damage per Liandry application, you can just refresh it more often. Also, Gragas Bodyslam is not considered area of effect if it hits one target. This applies to all split damage abilities (e.g., Karthus Lay Waste) but not abilities that are area of effect but happen to hit just one target when used (Gragas Barrel or Cask on a single-target).
...that said, the damage from Liandry's isn't that great on burst mages in general. I wouldn't really consider it for Gragas.
As for Abyssal range, Gragas should be in it mroe often than not due to his all-in combo involving him Bodyslamming them (or Casking them to his feet). That said, Void Staff is the better option for dealing with MR above around 40 (43, to be exact) when compared to Guise/Liandry's. You get Abyssal for when you need the MR yourself, really. If you're going all out offense, the Void Staff would do more and should be timed for around when the enemy team gets their Aegis/Bulwark up.
First game as Kha'Zix and I end up against Froggen...
We still won, but they certainly made us work for it.
did you mid?
First game as Kha'Zix and I end up against Froggen...
We still won, but they certainly made us work for it.
High level games. D: I don't think I even recognize like three of those item icons.
un-updated lolreplays use some random icons for some of the newer items.
Inskipp
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Nah I topped against the Teemo. I only faced Froggen solo a couple of times and he almost wrecked me during those encounters.
I find it hard to pick Void Staff over Abyss. The MR is way too useful to give up.
I should check, though, while 30% mpen is usually less than 20 flat reduction, specially against squishies, if I'm not missing the reduction while playing Lux, since her range's 1000+ (though you probably live in the 500-700 zone, for the auto attacks).
30% of 50, might be less than 20, but it's is more than 0, that's for sure.
I should check, though, while 30% mpen is usually less than 20 flat reduction, specially against squishies, if I'm not missing the reduction while playing Lux, since her range's 1000+ (though you probably live in the 500-700 zone, for the auto attacks).
30% of 50, might be less than 20, but it's is more than 0, that's for sure.
35% means it's better at ~58 MR (~63-64 if we want to factor the 8% from Masteries).
Legato.Reborn-
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I've just recently started playing Kha, he's pretty fun eh Inskipp?
Inskipp
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Except I played him a lot when he released. Though, granted, I did Q first (Evolved W first) then rather than W -> Evolved W like I do now.
PhillipCostigan
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I played Riven for the first time last night. She's kinda OP.
Mister Wilhelm
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Sure, in lane.
crackbabyjr
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If you win lane. She does very poorly at coming from behind. A Riven that wins her lane will snowball hard though.
I demand help before you even have your buff done.
Jazzy Network
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Dat Baron steal.
pick a character that eats the rat for breakfast.
teemo is the only reason i worry about counterpicking top, because winning the game is less important than ruining a teemo's life.
xin zhao. E to him. after he blinds you Q and W. Darius can also beat him if you're good with pulls.
i finished my low elo jungling comic
I seriously hate whatever jackass at Riot thought it would be cool to make the teams blue and fucking purple. There may as well be ten people playing on the same team as far as I can tell.
Dat Baron steal.
Nice steal, though.
Edit: Before anyone points out that colorblind mode exists, I know that. It's just really common to see screens or videos without it turned on since that's the default. Kinda frustrating for me.
Wolf Akela
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kiunchbb
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lol you should just post it as a picture for the lazy people.
Fiora beats him pretty easily, level 1 q auto q auto half health gg. You can bully him all day, just make sure you ult before/after he blind.
Schmattakopf
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Agreed. I'm not colour blind but, really, blue and purple...
Should've mentioned the champs I can top with: Akali, Cho'Gath, Kayle, Jax, Malphite, Vladimir.
I gotta say I'm not comfortable with any of them but Malph and Cho, but I've played against Teemo with all of them and I can never beat him.
Best I'll be able to do is not die and initially follow him on CS, until the point it becomes impossible because one poison shot will take 40% of my health.
The Fiddle comic is great btw
I gotta say I'm not comfortable with any of them but Malph and Cho, but I've played against Teemo with all of them and I can never beat him.
Best I'll be able to do is not die and initially follow him on CS, until the point it becomes impossible because one poison shot will take 40% of my health.
The Fiddle comic is great btw
how to play xin zhao
QEWQ R>Q>W>E get E first if against a ranged champion
Boots + 4 pot start or flask. I prefer boots since it allows you to stick to opponents better while harassing, especially if they have some kind of mobility buff like Teemo or disengage. Flask is okay too if you aren't looking for an early kill or enemy has an early game/aggressive jungler.
Laning 1-5: EQW harass. Your cooldowns are much lower than most disengages like Vlad pool or Jax counterstrike so you can harass much more often. Also the final hit of Q is great for backing off to win trades.
Level 6: Tower dive them gg no re
Things to note: When you harass pre-6 you are committing and have no escape from ganks so make sure you are aware of enemy jungler position. Your E is equal to or outranges most ranged auto attacks except for a few (mostly ADCs) so you really won't have a problem against ranged champions like Kennen or Nidalee.
also play the mulan song 24/7
and the commando xin zhao skin
QEWQ R>Q>W>E get E first if against a ranged champion
Boots + 4 pot start or flask. I prefer boots since it allows you to stick to opponents better while harassing, especially if they have some kind of mobility buff like Teemo or disengage. Flask is okay too if you aren't looking for an early kill or enemy has an early game/aggressive jungler.
Laning 1-5: EQW harass. Your cooldowns are much lower than most disengages like Vlad pool or Jax counterstrike so you can harass much more often. Also the final hit of Q is great for backing off to win trades.
Level 6: Tower dive them gg no re
Things to note: When you harass pre-6 you are committing and have no escape from ganks so make sure you are aware of enemy jungler position. Your E is equal to or outranges most ranged auto attacks except for a few (mostly ADCs) so you really won't have a problem against ranged champions like Kennen or Nidalee.
also play the mulan song 24/7
and the commando xin zhao skin
Barrel Cannon
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What runes do you use? I'm having trouble jungling her for first couple minutes of game. She feels super squishy for some reason to me. By the time I do red I have very little health left compared to most of my other junglers. I'm thinking of removing my AP runes and buying some MP runes?
Wolf Akela
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I'm gonna buy Draven next because I always seem to get fed when I play him. :S
PhillipCostigan
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I ran a bunch of test clears today and I would generally say to not expect much from her first clear. It is going to be hard no matter what. After my tests it seems like attack speed reds and armor yellows are the best option on her. It is less awful with allies helping out. Attack speed is way more valuable than mpen on a first clear, especially since Machete is easily her best item option. All tests starting armor had tougher clears.
I need to check into more stuff with quints and blues. I used to run a mix of AP and CDR blues, but I didn't feel they were valuable enough to warrant running. Right now I just use four flat armor blues and five scaling MR blues for general defensive stats. I do not own health regen quints, but I am wanting to buy them because I feel like they might be the best choice for Sej. I haven't run them at all so I can't say with any certainty that this will be true.
Even with her tough start I think Sejuani will almost always be worth it. Her initiate and team fight are both incredible. My W was at 177 damage per second to frosted targets, and this was at the 25 minute mark, and before you factor in stuff like Liandry's.
Wolf Akela
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I don't even know what the 2nd panel is about.
PhillipCostigan
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It's actually gotten to the stage where the amount of trolls and dickheads on EUW has made my mates switch to East, and I think I might follow suit. It's just impossible to have a good game unless you're with a premade 5.
Whether people insta-lock, lock in as a mid, top or jungle champ after you call it (and even if you're locked in they'll lock in as another role just to troll) or just do anything so they don't have to play support. They troll and flame the whole game if you don't just dodge before it starts (which I hate doing, but fuck if I'm gonna let other people ruin my enjoyment of the game).
I don't want to just play as a premade 5, because we rarely get that. It's just infuriating. It just seems like it's gotten especially bad on EUW recently.
Edit: I know Riot has said before they don;t like the idea, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that a low-priority matchmaking queue à la Dota 2 needs to happen. Let the trolls play with the trolls and stop ruining other people's games.
Whether people insta-lock, lock in as a mid, top or jungle champ after you call it (and even if you're locked in they'll lock in as another role just to troll) or just do anything so they don't have to play support. They troll and flame the whole game if you don't just dodge before it starts (which I hate doing, but fuck if I'm gonna let other people ruin my enjoyment of the game).
I don't want to just play as a premade 5, because we rarely get that. It's just infuriating. It just seems like it's gotten especially bad on EUW recently.
Edit: I know Riot has said before they don;t like the idea, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that a low-priority matchmaking queue à la Dota 2 needs to happen. Let the trolls play with the trolls and stop ruining other people's games.
Legato.Reborn-
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Learn Yorick and add him to your top line up.
When you see Teemo in draft, pick Yorick. You will shit on his little head.
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