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League of Legends |OT3| Lizards are red, golems are blue. Give a leash or no gank 4 u
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To be fair, most my Flask play is with Top lane with Elise, Vi, Kha'zix, etc. Champs that need some kind of HP and Mana sustain at all and just getting some is nice. Especially in a free slot since I don't fill up with items super fast.
What I'm anticipating is it'll go from 6 Charges to pay it off to 6 Charges + Reselling it. That would mean dropping the value to _50G_ on the sell.
But maybe they'll raise it because :lol
and here I thought it was because people 'just healed through' harass.
I actually really like Flask there
On that note, 345 Flask means Doran's + Flask uses almost all of the starting gold. Not sure if I like that quite yet. Cloth/Cloth/Flask -> Warden's Mail -> Phage/Brutalizer (order as necessary) was a really nice Vi start.
ElectraStar
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Dear God, good Lulu games are super satisfying.
What do people actually want in terms of early item choice?
From a design perspective the difficulty is you're designing a game for several different types of players in the same sandbox (assuming their efforts to get more casual people to play tt/dominion are ultimately a failure). Is early game item variety a necessity to a fun game experience?
There's also going to always be a component of follow the leader mentality to the metagame that may not reflect all of the possibilities because the vast majority of people make choices based on what they perceive as allowing them to keep up, not their own analysis.
It's also a situation where if the obscene damage potential of ad assassins/casters right now was toned down we might see a different environment entirely. You can say the problem is that cheap sustain is what allows them to reach that point...but you still need to actually discuss whether the point they're reaching is actually healthy for the game as well.
What doesn't help is that we have no idea what specific direction Riot wants lane activity to head in other than safe from anything but the most persistent/skilled low level ganks. They outright stated they want jungle to be wealthier but its clearly the opppsite; a huge swath of ap characters while playable are not rewarding enough for the risk they pose.
It's all really fun to see develop, but that's why they're having the extended preseason I suppose.
From a design perspective the difficulty is you're designing a game for several different types of players in the same sandbox (assuming their efforts to get more casual people to play tt/dominion are ultimately a failure). Is early game item variety a necessity to a fun game experience?
There's also going to always be a component of follow the leader mentality to the metagame that may not reflect all of the possibilities because the vast majority of people make choices based on what they perceive as allowing them to keep up, not their own analysis.
It's also a situation where if the obscene damage potential of ad assassins/casters right now was toned down we might see a different environment entirely. You can say the problem is that cheap sustain is what allows them to reach that point...but you still need to actually discuss whether the point they're reaching is actually healthy for the game as well.
What doesn't help is that we have no idea what specific direction Riot wants lane activity to head in other than safe from anything but the most persistent/skilled low level ganks. They outright stated they want jungle to be wealthier but its clearly the opppsite; a huge swath of ap characters while playable are not rewarding enough for the risk they pose.
It's all really fun to see develop, but that's why they're having the extended preseason I suppose.
PhillipCostigan
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Playing support Nunu is the key to high elo.
IsayFever
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Get that thought out of your head right now
PhillipCostigan
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It worked last game. Nunu OP.
Play AD nunu top. It's hilarious in low elo.
Nunu doesn't offer much in lane as a support himself, mostly a buffbot with the occasional snowball. If your ADC is bad, you're kind of screwed. If the game doesn't extend to the late game, you're kind of screwed.
Support is a terrible way to reliably gain elo through your plays. You're left at the whims of your team. However, a good support is a great way to make the most out of the advantages your team has. Essentially, the higher you get in elo, the greater the chance that a relevant support can create a winning situation.
@Nunu top - On behalf of all bruiser players everywhere, I hope you die in a fire.
Edit: Oh wait, you said AD.
Support is a terrible way to reliably gain elo through your plays. You're left at the whims of your team. However, a good support is a great way to make the most out of the advantages your team has. Essentially, the higher you get in elo, the greater the chance that a relevant support can create a winning situation.
@Nunu top - On behalf of all bruiser players everywhere, I hope you die in a fire.
Edit: Oh wait, you said AD.
PhillipCostigan
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Oh sure, but it's the same with most supports if your AD is bad. You could be the best support in the world but your AD could be about as useful to the team as a wispy fart and you'll almost certainly lose.
I'm just sick of winning top or doing better than the enemy jungler and losing because my other lanes feed so hard. Might as well play support and make an important lane win.
Nunu's AS buff is pretty significant in lane, especially if your AD builds damage first. you're effectively a walking a walking Phantom Dancer (minus the crits) which is a big advantage if you lane aggressively. He's really good at zoning too. That snowball could mean a kill if your AD is on the ball, and if you manage to catch the AD and support in your ult you're guaranteed at least a burned flash.
Wow. A lot of the stuff he said was similar to my rant. I should go pro.
I distinctly recall a Vi vs Nunu game I had where I at some point might have been in tears. It's a dumb lane.
It's a little worse for Nunu since he's melee and doesn't hard CC. He scales up an ADC really hard but doesn't add much, if that makes sense. Lot of multiplicative bonuses rather than additive ones. Basically, he won't set things up nearly as well as most other supports and his zoning leaves a bit to be desired. A winning lane with a Nunu support is a monster, though, and he's pretty much the best late late game support. 6 item ADC + Nunu buff is absurd.
Top and mid carry games harder than ADC for the mid-game (e.g., basically until 30m or so; hard to give a set time) mark, honestly. A lot of complaints about the game right now are kind of about the shift in dependence from ADC to top/mid (aka, who has better fed bruisers/assassins).
I'd totally do it if I could. Sounds like fun, y'know?
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
You're not Asian enough.
PhillipCostigan
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I dunno, if you win your lane hard as an AD and get some good items you're still gonna carry more than a top, at least from my experience anyway. I can destroy top, and nearly always do despite being new to the lane, but all other lanes for the enemy team are so fed that I don't even matter. If they have an assassin mid who gets fed early game and their AD carry gets fed too it's GG. That Riven game I had was the only time I ever carried as a top, and that was because the enemy team sucked hard too, just a little less than my team.
Lone_Prodigy
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With his passive I find he's rarely short on mana.
He likes the item, and I don't complain since MF's Q eats mana up.
IsayFever
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I guess chinese isn't considered asian these days
Press R to win. She's hard to mess up.
kiunchbb
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Mid does that against Leblanc all the times in season 2. She will go OOM from poking you, while you push to minion to tower preventing her to roam.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Because of the global movement speed increase, boots first are not mandatory anymore. You would get destroyed doing that in S2.
Pretty much! So, so strong. MF nerfs at some point?
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Unlikely. No one wants to see the Ezreal, Corki, Graves trifecta return. Other AD carries need some way to compete.
Mister Wilhelm
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I can only imagine my rage if I had been matched with the guys on the other team.
case of gaf gonna gaf basically
Wolf Akela
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I don't feel like I'm doing anything as Talon. :| I don't do damage. I had Merc, BT, BC and Doran Blades when mid game hit. I felt that I really wanted some attack speed.
It got worse when the enemy Amumu and Singed stacked a *lot* of health. They didn't get much armor and had no MR so I bought BotRK but it's like it didn't really add damage. Should I be getting crit items?
It got worse when the enemy Amumu and Singed stacked a *lot* of health. They didn't get much armor and had no MR so I bought BotRK but it's like it didn't really add damage. Should I be getting crit items?
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Omg. I want dragonblade talon, sona skin and the morg skin and I dont even play morg lol.
Wish foxfire ahri was on sale
Guess I'm buying some rp tomorrow.
Sorry for the double post but I'm on my phone. Talon is all burst. You don't want att speed. Go with a last whisper next. You can't burst down the tanky ones but you should blow up the squishies super fast.
Also dose abs Vayne and moar!
Really it's pretty underwhelming for a "super sale", but I guess I'm spoiled by Steam.
I hope not, so no one else but me has her :3Wish foxfire ahri was on sale
It's a Super Sale in the sense that every skin there hasn't been on sale before.
I could be forgetting a game, but the only two where I remember running into people from LoLGAF I won. One was a ranked game against someone from GAF, and the other was solo queue against a GAF 4-premade or something. They were like WE'RE GONNA DESTROY YOU but then the internet premade strangers I had been matched with ended up carrying me, so it was funny.
Looks like DL agrees with me about carry junglers being useless compared to utility jungles
Wolf Akela
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I just wasn't bursting. ;_; I think I did half health at best. I roflstomped Xin in lane for whatever reason, but I just couldn't burst him enough after lane. Only items he he had were Wriggles and BC. Just flat out lost whenever I tried to engage-disengage him afterwards. I'm looking at his numbers and still wonder where the damage should come from.
Lead off with rake, hit both out and in, then e for the silence and bleed then q, ult, auto for max damage. Almost all the ult daggers will hit if you do it immediately at close range. I don't have the numbers in front of me but its huge damage.
Edit: the key is hitting them with as many daggers as possible on his rake and his ult. The ult is 260 + .9 per dagger. That's why you want to cast it and cancel it in quick succession if you want max damage. They go in and out and almost all of them hit. I forget how many daggers there are but if say 3 hit, that's around 1300 damage at 300 ad (roughly)
Edit: this is making me want to play talon again. I have been playing so much khazix lately that I forgot how fun talon is. Especially after getting his skin tomorrow I think its all talon Saturday for me
I have a pretty darn good win ratio with him. He's an excellent roamer with mobo boots and his e to gap close.
kiunchbb
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Because that's an ugly skin, give it to me for free I still won't use it!
You're right, it's hideous, I'll just use it so you guys don't have to!
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