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League of Legends |OT3| Lizards are red, golems are blue. Give a leash or no gank 4 u
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Wolf Akela
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I guess Guardian's Horn is for ARAM.
uh i think thats a gross simplification of lol and a complete romanticisation of dota. while dota does have a higher top end in stuff like chen and meepo, but they still have stuff like drow ranger or skeleton knight who are way less mechanically demanding than the average league of legends champion
While I agree with you generally - that none of the kits recently have captured the imagination (cept zed), but i dont think you should assume people are retarded. people can remember 6 skills, they can notice renektons fury bar or his glowing sword or the sound of hitting 50 fury
No like seriously, how did Zac even get to be like this? How is he even on the PBE in this state? These numbers are unreal. He has everything.
No mana. Insanely low cooldowns. Absurd damage. Crazy initiation. High mobility. And all of it is AOE topped off by a passive that makes him undying.
Every single bounce of his ultimate does roughly as much as a Sejuani ultimate in terms of damage, and he bounces four times. The CC is arguable better too, and he winds up having 50% movespeed during the bounce. If he hits all of his bounces he will do twice as much damage as a Kennen ult.
His W is instant HP scaling magic damage. Four second cool down. Four seconds. If Shyvana or Sejuani stand next to you for four to six seconds they will be able to do as much damage.
This is a joke right?
No mana. Insanely low cooldowns. Absurd damage. Crazy initiation. High mobility. And all of it is AOE topped off by a passive that makes him undying.
Every single bounce of his ultimate does roughly as much as a Sejuani ultimate in terms of damage, and he bounces four times. The CC is arguable better too, and he winds up having 50% movespeed during the bounce. If he hits all of his bounces he will do twice as much damage as a Kennen ult.
His W is instant HP scaling magic damage. Four second cool down. Four seconds. If Shyvana or Sejuani stand next to you for four to six seconds they will be able to do as much damage.
This is a joke right?
Did anyone ever solo Baron as Rengar in live?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40861383&postcount=17300
Compared to that, PBE Zac sounds like he could rip Baron out of his pit at level 1, throw it at and kill Dragon, and have their corpses bounce off Dragon Pit and destroy the enemy Nexus.
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just like alistars kit is just broken
non ult aoe knockup
long range displace
aoe heal
huge damage reduction
omg best support ever
yeah, all he needs is a dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAoBblSYmOw
He doesn't even look like he is a part of the game. It's like a bad photoshop lol
He doesn't even look like he is a part of the game. It's like a bad photoshop lol
PhillipCostigan
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Just so you know, having tried him in the PBE, the AOE % health ability costs 4% of your health to use at all ranks, which you immediately get back because his passive heal thing by picking up his blobs gives him 4% health back.
The Q punch takes 6% health, the jump 12% health. Ult has no cost.
The Q punch takes 6% health, the jump 12% health. Ult has no cost.
Wolf Akela
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Another health resource champ sounds nice.
Gives zac a chance to have unlimited resources but you can outplay him easily. I like it.
But tell me if he can jungle well.
PhillipCostigan
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I haven't tried him jungle yet (Riot just limited customs to 6 people and PBE ping is ridiculous from here, so no normals yet) but his AOE thing would make jungle clears easy tbh.
He's made as a jungler, machete + 5 pots are his recommended starters. Ganks would be incredible.
Also, about that animation earlier, it's for his jump ability. He slingshots himself, hence why his arms are like that. His animations are incredible.
His E isn't a stun, it's a knockback, so you could failgank pretty easy if you do a bad E.
doesn't get rid of the fact that it looks like he's going to launch himself with a high-velocity dump
Vi's Q isn't a stun either but it ends up as effective as one anyways. Also the official site's flavor text uses the word stun.
PhillipCostigan
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It's not even as effective as Vi's. And it's most definitely a knockback, not a stun. Just played him.
Edit: the stun thing above their head comes up, as it does with most knocks, but it's such a small duration and your animation after it takes about as long.
In regards to his passive, the blobs have 10% of his health and 50% of his armour and MR, so 4 shots from an ADC total would finish him off. Also he can only revive with a max of 50% health, not full health. 5 minute cooldown.
Yeah, I didn't realize Rumble was considered that much of a problem I guess? If I'm reading the numbers correctly that's like, not only can you NOT use the ultimate to kill someone with instant damage anymore, but you also lose about 400-500 damage if you have 600 AP, even considering the increase to the damage over time from the ult? That's quite a bit of lost damage.
BigWeather
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Sorry for the really newbie question, but... Is there any way, short of the tutorials, to play solo with AI teammates and against AI enemies? Kind of like you can in StarCraft II?
Custom game.
On Zac:
- He is literally as big as a turret. I do not know if this is a bug.
- The health cost on abilities is substantial.
- His real passive releases blobs every time you use an ability. Didn't see this in the notes. You pick up the blobs you get back health. They are annoying to grab because Zac has extremely poor range.
- Terrible first clear. Maybe one of the worst for any dedicated jungler. Had a runepage I wouldn't use for a champ like that though.
- Slingshot is annoying. I hate abilities like this. Do I hold the button down? Do I tap it once to start it and another to activate it? It always seemed to break and was easily interrupted.
- It might make more sense to max Q first. Would need to see numbers.
- His AOE damage thing is weird. Gets to be very low cooldown with CDR. Spam that for damage. Kind of fun. Kind of annoying. I dunno, not sure yet.
- Death passive is funny. If you come back in with low health it doesn't feel like you can do much though since he has a health cost on abilities.
On Zac:
4 u corgi, easiest solo baron of my life:
- He is literally as big as a turret. I do not know if this is a bug.
- The health cost on abilities is substantial.
- His real passive releases blobs every time you use an ability. Didn't see this in the notes. You pick up the blobs you get back health. They are annoying to grab because Zac has extremely poor range.
- Terrible first clear. Maybe one of the worst for any dedicated jungler. Had a runepage I wouldn't use for a champ like that though.
- Slingshot is annoying. I hate abilities like this. Do I hold the button down? Do I tap it once to start it and another to activate it? It always seemed to break and was easily interrupted.
- It might make more sense to max Q first. Would need to see numbers.
- His AOE damage thing is weird. Gets to be very low cooldown with CDR. Spam that for damage. Kind of fun. Kind of annoying. I dunno, not sure yet.
- Death passive is funny. If you come back in with low health it doesn't feel like you can do much though since he has a health cost on abilities.
The way you describe it sounds mostly negative. Do you still feel he is the one of the best champions/massively overpowered?
PhillipCostigan
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His model decreases in size as he loses health, so makes sense to be big at the start.
On his E yes, not so much on his Q, definitely not on his W.
Agreed.
Haven't tried jungling him yet, but I can see why it would be a bit nasty. Still think maxing W is better, shorter cooldown and costs less health.
Hold down E if smart casting until charged.
In lane yes, in jungle no.
I like it.
Agreed. All his animations are wonderful.
He is not as strong as I imagined, mostly because the PBE notes were incomplete. He's just kind of a clunky guy. I guess I didn't realize just how short his range was, and it can be frustrating when his gap closer functions poorly in combat. Very weak to silence. Probably pretty weak to CC in general.
Can't say because I didn't play him enough. He will be strong if he can fit in somewhere. Not sure how he would do it lane. I can't imagine him winning trades or farming well.
His sustain sucks early on. That was maxing W first. I would probably try maxing Q first if I could get into another game because you can get more health off of it than you use. Maybe not early game though so who knows.
Chewed through pots like crazy on early clears but that was without leash.
Oh yeah, forgot to say the strongest part of his death passive is the spread on your goo. The far pieces can be suuuuuuuuuper far away in zones that are really hard for the enemy to get to.
That is by far the ugliest heap of pixels they've put in this game so far. Jesus fucking Christ it's so bad. So bad.
BigWeather
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Awesome, thanks!
PhillipCostigan
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I didn't think to check when I was playing him, but is it 320 - 160 - 80 - 40 damage to a target hit 4 times, or 320 - 160 - 160 - 160?
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