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League of Legends |OT3| Lizards are red, golems are blue. Give a leash or no gank 4 u
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GOT DAMNBecause I know some of you care:
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Maybe I'll just buy Fiora with my 6300 IP. I'll farm like a madman this weekend.
Brand is also really good. Are those all the skins or they usually do more? I don't have even one of those champs :/
Schmattakopf
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Edit: Nevermind, I dumb.
I'm excited for the Twisted Treeline changes.
I'm excited for the Twisted Treeline changes.
Skin spotlights for Hecarim, Fiora, Brand and Ryze
http://www.youtube.com/user/SkinSpotlights/videos?view=0
http://www.youtube.com/user/SkinSpotlights/videos?view=0
Holy shit that brand. ERghhhh I don't even play brand but I just want that skin so badly..
Holy shi, his death animation... wow
I hope to god that the rest of the skins are close to what zombie brand has become.
lazorexplosion
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Just realized the DFG nerf isn't just a 25% -> 15% reduction on the base activateable damage, its also completely removes the CDR. Holy fucking overnerf Riot.
Wow. So many things just overnight!
Elise, Spider Queen - Yay! Probably the second day 1 buy for me. First was Diana. Didn't regret that until her overnerf. Looks like a lot of fun. I like the rappel ability. Sounds deadly.
Sona - Sona is the most fun support I've played. The why is simple. I feel like she has the most impact. She's not a helpless "run away while someone beats on me if my carry dies" support. Her poke is strong, she has movespeed buff and the AE stun is game changing. She's one of the few supports that I feel like I am making a big difference in lane AND in teamfights besides just carrying some aura items.
Nerfs - wow. That's a LOT of nerfs. DFG nerf was necessary. It was becoming a must buy item on almost every mage. Too powerful for the money. Phage nerf is fine too.
champion nerfs are hard hitting this one. I have a feeling Ezreal is going to fade into oblivion without his attack speed debuff. Blitz and Sona squishier is bad for Sona
Jayce and Rengar definitely need a nerf. Jayce's poke is insane and Rengar.. well. He just wrecks.
Omg, what an awesome skin. I used to love playing Brand. He might make a comeback for me after this lol.
Jeez, after not buying RP for like 4 months, I think Riot's going to get another $50 out of me in short order. So many things I want:
Elise
Brand Skin
Leona sale
Zyra sale
That's what, 3k RP right there?
Elise, Spider Queen - Yay! Probably the second day 1 buy for me. First was Diana. Didn't regret that until her overnerf. Looks like a lot of fun. I like the rappel ability. Sounds deadly.
Sona - Sona is the most fun support I've played. The why is simple. I feel like she has the most impact. She's not a helpless "run away while someone beats on me if my carry dies" support. Her poke is strong, she has movespeed buff and the AE stun is game changing. She's one of the few supports that I feel like I am making a big difference in lane AND in teamfights besides just carrying some aura items.
Nerfs - wow. That's a LOT of nerfs. DFG nerf was necessary. It was becoming a must buy item on almost every mage. Too powerful for the money. Phage nerf is fine too.
champion nerfs are hard hitting this one. I have a feeling Ezreal is going to fade into oblivion without his attack speed debuff. Blitz and Sona squishier is bad for Sona
Jayce and Rengar definitely need a nerf. Jayce's poke is insane and Rengar.. well. He just wrecks.Omg, what an awesome skin. I used to love playing Brand. He might make a comeback for me after this lol.
Jeez, after not buying RP for like 4 months, I think Riot's going to get another $50 out of me in short order. So many things I want:
Elise
Brand Skin
Leona sale
Zyra sale
That's what, 3k RP right there?
Barrel Cannon
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Sona nerf..... I hate Riot. On the bright side hopefully all these support nerfs end making the NA meta shift a bit in bot lane and allow more stranger comps to form.
Where did you see these sales ?
I don't see them yet unfortunately. I've been waiting patiently. Just 2 things that I'll be spending my RP on when they pop up. Sorry if I got your hopes up
Incidentally, the Sona nerf is -40 HP, -2 Armor. Not sure if that's big enough to change everything for her but it does mean she dies easier at lower levels. The Rengar nerf to Savagery (150% -> 100%) isn't a big deal for laning phase, just means an extra E harass before jumping in. I feel like I'll have to deal with the ult cooldown far more than the Q change.
The Jayce changes are the ridiculous ones. -40 to 160 damage from his Hammer E? +40% cost to his Cannon E? He'll be a safe laner still but damn, killing with him in lane will be hard.
On another note, not really feeling the Elise skin. And her kit makes me wonder at her damage output in lane. Guess we'll see how things go for her with that Q (low cooldown, Current Health% as Human and Missing Health% as Spider) and her spiderlings.
I just wish she didn't have that stupid hat.
The Jayce changes are the ridiculous ones. -40 to 160 damage from his Hammer E? +40% cost to his Cannon E? He'll be a safe laner still but damn, killing with him in lane will be hard.
On another note, not really feeling the Elise skin. And her kit makes me wonder at her damage output in lane. Guess we'll see how things go for her with that Q (low cooldown, Current Health% as Human and Missing Health% as Spider) and her spiderlings.
I just wish she didn't have that stupid hat.
Barrel Cannon
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Inskipp
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I got to play one match on the new TT... Kinda laggy for me in the PBE, so I'll probably hold out extensive testing till it gets released in EU.
I dig it though. The altar- system feels more of an appropriate objective than the old creep- buffs. Also the fact that most of the stuff is centered around middle (while Vilemaw is top) makes it a lot smoother to navigate, instead of having to bounce all over the place for various buffs. Tower-damage felt weird though, it seemed to take 55-60% off minion- hp from a single hit, instead of the usual 40-45%, so you had to prep the minion for last hit before the tower actually hits the minion. Not sure if intentional.
Also, Vilemaw is epic. Twice the size of Nashor, and a lot more potent damage-wise than Ebonmaw.
Overall, I like the direction its heading at so far. One thing that I didn't check were the creep camp- timers, so I'm not sure if jungling is actually any better.
I dig it though. The altar- system feels more of an appropriate objective than the old creep- buffs. Also the fact that most of the stuff is centered around middle (while Vilemaw is top) makes it a lot smoother to navigate, instead of having to bounce all over the place for various buffs. Tower-damage felt weird though, it seemed to take 55-60% off minion- hp from a single hit, instead of the usual 40-45%, so you had to prep the minion for last hit before the tower actually hits the minion. Not sure if intentional.
Also, Vilemaw is epic. Twice the size of Nashor, and a lot more potent damage-wise than Ebonmaw.
Overall, I like the direction its heading at so far. One thing that I didn't check were the creep camp- timers, so I'm not sure if jungling is actually any better.
Barrel Cannon
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Twice the size of Nashor 0_0. I assume it's not as strong as Nashor though?!?!??
Yeah. They said they didn't want to touch her kit or how she plays, just her safeness from her base stats. So her changes are just 340 HP/6 Armor at Level 1 instead of 380 HP/8 Armor. Similarly, Blitzcrank is 423 HP/95 HP per Level instead of 468/100 HP per Level.
Inskipp
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Iuno, it feels pretty similar power-wise. I attempted to solo it 1-2 mins after it spawned (I was Rengar), but he wrecked the shit out of me really fast. Had to get some decent gear before attempting it with team- mates, and even then he managed to take off a good chunk out of me before we downed him.
That's the thing, DFG was a huge part of Eve. In my opinion nerfing DFG might have been enough to tone down what's almost the entire point of Eve, two %HP spells. Instead, they heavily nerfed DFG -and- are nerfing Eve's spells, if I understand correctly.
Bingo!
Last but not least, teacher Fiora is awesome. <3
Man. Sona is going to be even squishier. I know if I have to lane against her I'll be doing my best to harass her early. Back her out so she can't harass.
Guess that's the intent.
It probably won't hurt her mid game that much. Heart of gold->Randuins, Aegis should still provide some decent tankiness.
True. They really need some CDR reduction items for manaless casters. Hopefully it's on their radar.
To be fair, a 200 AP Evelynn would DFG+Ult you for 52%/57%/62% of your HP. Post-change, she'll do 42%/47%/52% of your HP.
At 400 AP, Evelynn would do 64%/69%/74%; post-change, she'll do 54%/59%/64%. So, for the most part, we're talking about losing 10% HP% damage on her burst. At 200-400 AP, that means one extra Q to land, typically (less for squishies, more for bruisers).
Unless there's an undocumented change to it, her Ultimate nerf is 2% -> 1% scaling. It's still 15%/20%/25% Damage on a 120/90/60 second timer.
On another note, I really, really, really want that AD Caster item they added to Treeline to make it over to Rift AD, Spell Vamp, CDR, ArPen, and Health?
On another note, I really, really, really want that AD Caster item they added to Treeline to make it over to Rift
AD, Spell Vamp, CDR, ArPen, and Health?Unless there's an undocumented change to it, her Ultimate nerf is 2% -> 1% scaling. It's still 15%/20%/25% Damage on a 120/90/60 second timer.
On another note, I really, really, really want that AD Caster item they added to Treeline to make it over to Rift
I see a revival of Talon with that item
Maybe I'd actually get to use him.lazorexplosion
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Yeah that's my opinion too. Kinda similar situation with the heavy Ezreal nerf on top of the trinity force nerf thing.
Here's an album of the new TT. Looks really good. As somebody previously mentioned, gives me a huge DiabloIII vibe. And Vilemaw looks badass. I really want to try it out!
http://imgur.com/a/yopKp
http://imgur.com/a/yopKp
Look, its Act IV!
I'm wanting that item that gives health on every kill or assist.On another note, I really, really, really want that AD Caster item they added to Treeline to make it over to Rift
Whoa at that Ezreal nerf. Pretty huge (and welcome). Also glad to see the Phage/Trinity Force changes only affect ranged attacks. Not really super interested in any of the new skins, but the spell effect changes on the Brand one look nice.
Hey all, complete noob here with a couple questions.
What is the best/most efficient way to spend IP/RP at the start? I've bought Sivir and Veigar with IP, and haven't bought any RP but probably will "soon". Are any of the RP bundles worthwhile, even though I think they all have the 2 champs I bought? I see people say you need to save all the IP you get leveling for runes. Should I just refund and wait to buy champs? I don't really favor any role, though I tend to prefer ranged to melee.
When does jungling become viable? I'm level 7, and trying it just gets me murdered. I've read it really takes full runes/masteries to work, but it seems odd to wait until that point to learn. Are there any decent jungling guides for new players?
What is the best/most efficient way to spend IP/RP at the start? I've bought Sivir and Veigar with IP, and haven't bought any RP but probably will "soon". Are any of the RP bundles worthwhile, even though I think they all have the 2 champs I bought? I see people say you need to save all the IP you get leveling for runes. Should I just refund and wait to buy champs? I don't really favor any role, though I tend to prefer ranged to melee.
When does jungling become viable? I'm level 7, and trying it just gets me murdered. I've read it really takes full runes/masteries to work, but it seems odd to wait until that point to learn. Are there any decent jungling guides for new players?
I see a revival of Talon with that item
Yeah Talon would be awesome with that, you know who would also benefit form it? jax
You didn't really spend a lot, so don't feel like you have to refund. Veigar and Sivir are both good cheap purchases that fill out a collection well. Yeah though, save up IP for the future for runes and stuff, just because they help a lot.
Dunno about when jungling becomes viable. Probably 20? I couldn't really say, even then your teams might not be able to deal with the 2v1 top. I dunno about jungling guides either. I checked some out and they seemed extremely outdated. This one seemed the most helpful, but it doesn't get going until like two minutes in.
People save IP for tier 3 rune sets (starts at level 20). One full set would set you back approx 5500 ip I believe. You'll have around 13000 ip getting to level 20.
Most efficient way is to get free alistar/tristana, play free champions and buy cheap (~1350ip, ~450 ip champions). You can spend RP if you play a free champion you really really like. The RP champ bundles are decent value, if you plan to play all of the champions.
Watching my girlfriend level, junglers started becoming common around level 13-14. Re: getting murdered - for EVERY champion to jungle, they need very specific tier 3 runes. But there are several of junglers than can work without them, like nunu and warwick and... others. I'd suggest starting jungling around level 13 with everybody else, since people need to be able to solo top (and trust me, youll have many games where they cant 2v1). Jungling becomes a permanent staple post level 20.
The ezreal nerf is over the top. So is the DFG nerf.
I am so salty
Both of them on a bruiser. Oh god. Those on an Irelia, Olaf, Jax, etc.? Man.
The RP bundles are a fairly good value (notably the Champion Pack one). As for the individual champs, I wouldn't spend RP on champs unless it is a 6300 IP one that is on sale. Just not really worth it otherwise, in my opinion.
As for spending IP, the easiest way would be to figure out what runes you feel like you MUST have by 20 and just save IP for that. I hit 20 with ~18,000 IP and that was enough for two roles worth of runes and then some. I could have spent half of that IP on some champs and been fine with just my standard top lane setup.
Realistically, I'd say to figure out a few champs you really want to play (say, 3-5) and get them and then just save your IP for runes. It's best to have runes at 20 (and buying new ones every level as you unlock more slots) and then grind champs rather than having champs but having to grind runes.
Some Junglers can do it earlier (Warwick notably). The harder part of learning jungle early is that most people don't jungle anyway so you're leaving your top lane to deal with a 2v1 situation. It's kind of weird how having a jungler just kind of eventually "happens" around the Level 20 mark.
Axispowers
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WOW, with all the new skins for halloween coming up I'm glad I got the $100 RP with the bonus, I'll be spending at least 6000 RP -.-
It's way too much, but I can't say either will be missed.
Jungling will be awhile. It was in the 20s that you really started to see jungling more regularly. Without a real strong jungler, it's more of a disadvantage because top gets wrecked 1v2. The low level games are better off 2-1-2.
It's perfectly fine to buy cheap (<1350) champs with IP, other than that, I'd save it for the runes you'll want to buy at level 20. It takes a LOT of IP to fill up a runepage. I saved from level 12 or so to 20 and had just enough to fill up 2 generic runepages (reusing most of the MR and armor runes across each page).
RP is best spent during sales. They have sales 2x a week for champions and skins. That's the only time I'd buy a champion or skin unless I really have my heart set on a brand new champion (I bought Diana immediately, will probably buy Elise immediately).
The champion bundle for RP is a pretty decent deal imo. I bought one pretty early and it was valuable. It covered a lot of roles that I needed a champion for and had some real strong champions that I use a lot (Kassadin, Karthus). I looked at it as buying the game for $25 - getting a solid base of champions. I don't play near as much as other people though so I had to save all my IP for runes.
Of course I've spent around $100 on league so far, so I may not be your best role model. 400+ games is a lot of playtime though, so I definitely feel like I got my money's worth.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
I'm okay with this.
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I think I need to buy Fiora now.
I dunno. It's still Hecarim.
lazorexplosion
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It's worth IP buying Nunu, Malphite, Morgana, Jax, Taric and Mundo. With that plus Alistar and Tristana for free and the champions you've got you'll have a very solid lineup for each role for very little IP. Add in any other cheap champions that take your fancy and you'll be set; it's more important to have fun with a variety of champions than scrimp and save every bit of IP for rune pages with no champions.
I did it yesterday, and not that I'm pro or good at Kha'zix or anything but I think he's a pretty weak fit for a jungler and goes much better top. I really don't feel his ganks are very strong, and his clear times aren't the greatest. In fact it's kind of annoying just trying to line up his W to clear.
Also, assassins are not really the best junglers right now. A good Skarner or Mundo would just run you over.
Thanks for replies everyone. Now I just have to start playing more. Last night was actually my first PvP game, by accident. Meant to do Co-op, didn't pay attention to what I was doing and ended up in a PvP game. Played Volibear on a whim, got destroyed early but came back late, unfortunately we lost, in part due to the fact that one player on the opposing team had as many kills as our entire team at one point late :/ Had fun with the champion though. Will have to try again now that I know what his abilities do.
I am surprised you don't have all the champion with every skins in the game
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