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League of Legends |OT4| No Country for Old Karma

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DeadNames

Banned
Pantheon was my first mastered LoL champ. Im really good landing my ult: stealing objectives, ganking, killng low hp enemyes that runs into their jungle, killing splited adcs...

Maybe, its no top tier champ, but i think that a Pantheon with 4 or 5 early-mid kills, is able to destroy at late game. In fact, he brings me to bronze 1 from 4 so easy.

The rework hypes me.

Me too. When I was just starting this game I could never find a champ I was good with... Maokai, twisted fate... I couldn't do it. Until I found Pantheon... Who accepted me as a baby.
 

bjaelke

Member
Has there ever been talk of a Sion rework, or is he secret OP?

They want to make him less schizophrenic.

Sion's AD kit has some bare-bones tools that can apply well to a lifesteal guy, but those could use updating as well (AS on this guy...hmmmmm), but importantly, the AP kit has little-to-no counter play or interaction at all. There's something to be said about the shield being interesting, but I think it's bad when combined with a single target stun and as a burst nuke overall. Additionally, he's basically a creative mess - a Zombie Axe guy that casts spells and does an assortment of disjointed things with old Arnold movie quotes. The only reason to even consider that is for legacy - which has value - but not enough on its own in many cases.

What I do think could be interesting about Sion isn't his kit, but the idea behind him - a massive, unmovable undead lifesteal tank. That has legs (heh) and can really be developed into a resurgence/HP Steal character befitting of the idea, and it gives us lots of opportunities with the art.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
dumping on people as skarner for g1. stealing dragons and barons all day, not viable, etc, etc.
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that skarner skin is one of my favorites in the game tho

also this upcoming sale is okay i might buy defender leona even though I just got iron solari

when is riven gonna go on sale :mad:
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
rivers was on sale around easter i think. i dunno if she'll come up again soon.
 
It's not that transparent unfortunately. Nemesis Jax, SF GP and Oktober Fest Gragas have all been overtaken in the skin sales and only just gone on sale now.

Of course, it was just odd for a little bit, because when they put the new guy in charge of e-commerce or whatever, the sales were definitely coming from the top of the list, rather than anywhere in the green zone.
 
It's telling you that not a lot of people know how to play against and punish Ziggs.

(I still like him though and own all his skins)

People don't seem to realize you shouldn't stand near your minions when fighting against Ziggs. Makes poking in lane so easy. My only beef is that I don't feel like I'm doing a lot of damage (Sorc+Deathcap+Zhonya+Athene/Morello+Void), even though the damage stats are okay.

I still need to practice satchel jumping though. I can't pull it off under pressure. I do OK when using it offensively. Managed to blow the enemy Graves backward which signaled our J4 to initiate.
 

drawkcaB

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People don't seem to realize you shouldn't stand near your minions when fighting against Ziggs. Makes poking in lane so easy. My only beef is that I don't feel like I'm doing a lot of damage (Sorc+Deathcap+Zhonya+Athene/Morello+Void), even though the damage stats are okay.

That's my problem with Ziggs. You look at base damage and AP ratios and they look ok. Stuff like, hey if a champ runs over just 3 mines, it'll deal X damage, nice! It never works that way in practice and his cooldowns on W and E so high that they dramatically cap his damage.

He's deceptively hard to use because of all the weird shit in his mechanics and there's little payoff for diving deep into learning him. Riot several months ago said they want to firm him up as a push and siege specialist but nothing's come out of it so far (his recent W buffs don't seem to do anything for this). I hope they do have a serious look at him, probably my favorite champ in terms of art, personality, etc.
 

Kenai

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That's my problem with Ziggs. You look at base damage and AP ratios and they look ok. Stuff like, hey if a champ runs over just 3 mines, it'll deal X damage, nice! It never works that way in practice and his cooldowns on W and E so high that they dramatically cap his damage.

He's deceptively hard to use because of all the weird shit in his mechanics and there's little payoff for diving deep into learning him. Riot several months ago said they want to firm him up as a push and siege specialist but nothing's come out of it so far (his recent W buffs don't seem to do anything for this). I hope they do have a serious look at him, probably my favorite champ in terms of art, personality, etc.

Yes, I love him too! But if his initial burst doesn't either kill opponents or bring them very low his damage drops a lot. He needs to harass with his Q for a decent amount of time, which is not hard at all to do in lane but pretty difficult in a teamfight, for the damage to add up.

I still say he has one of the game's easiest laning phases though, which means a lot for setting him up for an advatange, especially if you opponent is melee and has to walk up to last hit (ez targets). It also helps that most of the people I have trouble with as Fizz (melee champs with better sustain/defense or hard cc) are choice targets for bomb harass. but he doesn't really snowball so if your opponents get to "catch up" later it might not go so well.

I also have had some success with pushing a tower/doing a notable amount of extra damage with Lich Bane + his passive, but it's nothing like a Lich Bane on Fizz or anything. If his satchel charge were at a shorter CD I think it'd help a lot for control (pushing an opponent into more mines or moving them into a bad position), but it's really long and it's his only real escape if things go south.
 
That Sej skin is amazing. I really like how it seems like riot is starting to incorporate thick outlines into their models, I think it makes them look great. This skin and Woad King Darius both seem to have it a little bit, and I think it makes them look that much better.
 

garath

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I think I saw a Yi skin bundle on the store in someone's stream. Omg. Dammit Riot. Don't encourage more Yi players! lol.

I may get it.. wonder how much it is.

haha.

Wish their store was online.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I think I saw a Yi skin bundle on the store in someone's stream. Omg. Dammit Riot. Don't encourage more Yi players! lol.

I may get it.. wonder how much it is.

haha.

Wish their store was online.
complete mister yi bundle, 2002 rp.
 

garath

Member
I like the new warning that riot gives you for ranked inactivity. It saved me another division drop. Played a couple ranked games to keep my already dropped standings lol.

I think I'm just going to say f- it and play nothing but ranked anymore anyways. Whatever, it's just a number. I know I'll win more than I lose over time. The 1s and 2s here and there just aren't giving me an accurate look.

complete mister yi bundle, 2002 rp.

Jesus. That's a lot.
 
Watching LCS, watching how the C9 players click, it seems that they also have their pointer fingers in the air while they right click rapidly. I thought it was just a weird thing I did. Guess not.

Edit: C9 mercifully banning sona away from patoy.
 

Kenai

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I think I am going to get that Sej skin, which is terrible since I know I'm a bad jungler. i tried my best in a classic yesterday but their flithy Nunu constantly stole my blue and I had no idea what to do about it.

And Master Yi looks very cool. I almost wanted to spend the MASSIVE 450(/) RP on him, then i realized, he is still Yi. Annoying as hell, so gross.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
idunno skill order, builds, roons, masteries

i havent touched sej in like a month
i run attack speed quints
mpen reds
armor yellows
mix of armor and scaling mr blues

9/21 masterees

skillz: R>W>Q>E, can stop at three points in w because who cares. max q first if ganking often.

not sure about build without bulwark. golem+tabi still core, then build hp/armor/mr as needed.
 
i run attack speed quints
mpen reds
armor yellows
mix of armor and scaling mr blues

9/21 masterees

skillz: R>W>Q>E, can stop at three points in w because who cares. max q first if ganking often.

not sure about build without bulwark. golem+tabi still core, then build hp/armor/mr as needed.

Isn't mpen quints plus attack speed reds simply more stats?

1Mpen Quint=2,5 Mpen Reds
1AS Quint = 2 AS Reds

so 3 mpen quints 2 mpen reds and 7 as reds are just more stats
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Isn't mpen quints plus attack speed reds simply more stats?

1Mpen Quint=2,5 Mpen Reds
1AS Quint = 2 AS Reds

so 3 mpen quints 2 mpen reds and 7 as reds are just more stats
i guess. i don't own mpen quints and have no desire to. they are almost identical.
 

drawkcaB

Member
Bear Cavalry Sejuani available now.

Been waiting for this ever since the Russian server news reveal. Sooooooo bought. Rusian tank style gas drums on the behind and as the ult projectile are genius.

Kenai said:
I think I am going to get that Sej skin, which is terrible since I know I'm a bad jungler.

Sounds like a perfect time to try Sej and learn jungle to me! Very forgiving jungler. I've said this before, but she's really underrated. Top tier tank jungler.

dimb said:
not sure about build without bulwark. golem+tabi still core, then build hp/armor/mr as needed.

Agreed. She can pretty much go anyway she wants, frankly.

(I personally go Mpen or ASPD reds, armor yellows, 7xCDR blues, 2x magic resist scaling blues, and either %MS or Mpen quints. CDR blues + 4% CDR from offensive tree gives me 20% by the time I finish Golem. On Sej I want my ult up as fast as possible in the early and mid game. W and E aslo seem to really pick up damage wise once I get 20% and higher CDR).
 

garath

Member
I don't even play Sejuani but that skin is awesome. I may just start playing her. She really is a super strong tank jungler.
 

Kenai

Member
Sounds like a perfect time to try Sej and learn jungle to me! Very forgiving jungler. I've said this before, but she's really underrated. Top tier tank jungler.

I figured as much, considering how fast i ran through with her despite not knowing what I was doing. Only pre-nerf Diana was faster for me, and Sej has better ganks and a much more disruptive ult.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I figured as much, considering how fast i ran through with her despite not knowing what I was doing. Only pre-nerf Diana was faster for me, and Sej has better ganks and a much more disruptive ult.
sejuani clears are terrible now.
 

Edwardo

Member
that skarner skin is one of my favorites in the game tho

also this upcoming sale is okay i might buy defender leona even though I just got iron solari

when is riven gonna go on sale :mad:

The last Riven sale was Apr 2nd. She's gone the longest (excluding new champs) without a sale, so she should be next or at least soon.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
I remember when Vi could power through anything.

Now she's just a peasant.

(I'm only mad because I tried to use her ult to cancel a Nunu ult and lost)
 

Ghost23

Member
Bullshit how?

I think it's safe to say he's broken from the games that I have seen him (every game).

Yea I know "You just don't know how to play against him." But honestly if every game I see him has him at 15+ kills and fed to oblivion, I think there might be something wrong.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Compared to who? Outside of Zac she's in line with other tanks in the jungle.
no way, especially not after w nerfs to hp scaling. there are so many it is not even worth listing.

her clear times and damage are underwhelming, along with her dueling, and her lack of sustain makes her feel like one of the weaker junglers when it actually comes to clearing camps.
 
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