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League of Legends |OT4| No Country for Old Karma

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EXGN

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SK T1 v Jin Air Falcons: http://www.twitch.tv/ongamenet

SKT1 are a rising star team in the Korean Scene, Jin Air Falcons features a very well respected reapered.

I dont expect this to be as competitive as CJ Blaze v KTB, but reapered is known as an amazing theorycrafter, and may show us something great.

Plus, montecristo and doa!

I'm convinced that Jin Air Falcons is easily the worst iteration of ESG yet. Reapered needs to go back to top lane and find a competent jungler and mid laner, losing H0R0 to the SK Telecom organization was the worst thing to happen to ESG. Shit was embarrassing to watch.
 

drawkcaB

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Skarner changes continue to homogenize. Mana costs will be murderous. Skarner's E was never fun so it really sucks to see it being built up and becoming core to his kit.

Preferred the old Vi styled cone with slow marks where the slow was a strong but degrading slow. New E is...Christ how many champs have a line skill shot slow now? Big whoop. My personaly preference is still to give skarner a single target snare on E. Piercing an enemy with the tail to snare would be way cooler than some generic slow line skill shot.

If you suspect a possible red invade, ask your support to ward the bush in your red buff. The explorer ward is perfect for this. Drop it around 1:35-1:40. If you see their jungler in your red buff, just make a u-turn and head for theirs. Or if your laners are heads up, you can ambush him for first blood. Worst case, if you can run with less pots, you can grab your own ward.

I suggest maybe even asking him to ward the tribush and you ward the top of the bush north of the red camp. This gives you better early vision of the invade. If you see the enemy jungler with either ward he's almost certainly going to plant his ass in the red camp bush, so you don't actually need vision of the bush itself. Also, if you're running a slower jungler, like a Nautilus for instance, you'll see the enemy jungler in your side of the jungler well before your make it to the camp. At that point you can either call for mid or bot laners to assist in the jungle, or change course and go for his red.

I think the best advice I can give to anyone who suspects he's about to get invaded is do whatever you need to do to stay safe. Skip a starting potions and buy a ward instead of machete+5pots. Spec into utility and get the free ward. Start red then go blue instead. Whatever keeps you safe and relatively unimpeded. Invading and counterjungling is all about keeping the better late game jungler down. Deny your opponent that advantage and you win. Well, you win your match-up at any rate.
 

garath

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Preferred the old Vi styled cone with slow marks where the slow was a strong but degrading slow. New E is...Christ how many champs have a line skill shot slow now? Big whoop. My personaly preference is still to give skarner a single target snare on E. Piercing an enemy with the tail to snare would be way cooler than some generic slow line skill shot.



I suggest maybe even asking him to ward the tribush and you ward the top of the bush north of the red camp. This gives you better early vision of the invade. If you see the enemy jungler with either ward he's almost certainly going to plant his ass in the red camp bush, so you don't actually need vision of the bush itself. Also, if you're running a slower jungler, like a Nautilus for instance, you'll see the enemy jungler in your side of the jungler well before your make it to the camp. At that point you can either call for mid or bot laners to assist in the jungle, or change course and go for his red.

I think the best advice I can give to anyone who suspects he's about to get invaded is do whatever you need to do to stay safe. Skip a starting potions and buy a ward instead of machete+5pots. Spec into utility and get the free ward. Start red then go blue instead. Whatever keeps you safe and relatively unimpeded. Invading and counterjungling is all about keeping the better late game jungler down. Deny your opponent that advantage and you win. Well, you win your match-up at any rate.

Good advice here too. I typically look for the red bush ward at the very least but 2 wards covering both entrances is ideal.

Early game jungling is very much a strategy game trying to predict what your opponent is going to do.
 
Just a heads up to avoid General Discussion forums on League(Well, posting there). Apparently there's some drama where somebody has been revealing Usernames/Passwords of people, if any of you know the GEM drama rumor has it that RiotJay is behind these reveals using different account names. An Adjudicator named Larias has already been hit and his account got banned for posting porn(Knowing Larias, he's been a long time member of the community and wouldn't do something like that, so there might be weight to the story).

But yeah, it's a mess back there. The topics pertaining to this are:
A summary-
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3764021
And the topic where Laria got banned(About page 80 onward I think the person using his account starts posting)
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3763247

I'd avoid posting there like the plague, but it's fishy stuff.

Anyone else having trouble buying tickets? None of the purchase links are showing up for me on lolesports

Tomorrow at 12PM PST, not today :X Sucks for me too I'm gonna be at work but gonna get a friend to buy them hopefully
 

kiunchbb

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So the AMEX LoL cards is avaliable now, 1,000RP for signing up, 1,000RP for first $20, and 10,000RP if you direct deposit $20. 1,000RP for first 10 card purchase.

So 13,000 RP for free o_O

No credit check, minimum balance or activiation fee. I guess they are doing this to cut paypal out of the picture. You also get lovely crazy Lux picture on your card, to remind yourself how crazy you are for putting a LoL debit card in your wallet.
 

garath

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So the AMEX LoL cards is avaliable now, 1,000RP for signing up, 1,000RP for first $20, and 10,000RP if you direct deposit $20. 1,000RP for first 10 card purchase.

So 13,000 RP for free o_O

No credit check, minimum balance or activiation fee. I guess they are doing this to cut paypal out of the picture. You also get lovely crazy Lux picture on your card, to remind yourself how crazy you are for putting a LoL debit card in your wallet.

Hmm.. I can't find where to sign up for it.

edit: nvm. Of course LeagueofLegends.com lol. https://www.serve.com/leagueoflegends/?extlink=us-serve-partner-gaming-riot-forumpost-auth-201307

edit2: omg, I can't believe how tempted I am to sign up for this. 3,000RP for basically just using the card a couple times. I'm not going to go through the hassle of direct deposit for the 10k.
 

Einbroch

Banned
Signed up. I'm gonna load it up with $20, go to my grocery store and buy 11 $0.99 groceries (I always stock up on the $1 items that they rotate every week) and call it a day, never using it again.

Thanks for the free 3k points.
 

garath

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Signed up. I'm gonna load it up with $20, go to my grocery store and buy 11 $0.99 groceries (I always stock up on the $1 items that they rotate every week) and call it a day, never using it again.

Thanks for the free 3k points.

Honestly I can use a pre-paid card for those one off online purchases. Or even travel where the threat of getting it stolen is out there. I do NOT see myself using it regularly especially for the really poor dollar to RP conversions after the bonuses. It's really not worth it for that purpose.

It's pretty smart of AMEX though.
 

Edwardo

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So it's just a prepaid card? You just reload funds right?

I might as well get one. Probably won't change my Direct Deposit though.
 
Read the fine print. Apparently you only get 100 RP for each of the first 10 purchases

Receive 100 RP for each of your first 10 purchases using your American Express Serve Card, after which you will receive 1 RP for each Card purchase up to $3.00.

I'm still reading through it.
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
I really don't want to change my jobs direct deposit since it can take a couple billing cycles to process. Maybe there is some other way to load it up.
 

kiunchbb

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What exactly constitutes direct deposit? I'm not about to shuffle my existing DD from work. Maybe there is another source to use?

Direct deposit means linking your saving or checking account to the debit card. The same way you transfer money to your PayPal account. It has nothing to do with your pay check.
 

Edwardo

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I'm sure there are other fees associated with monthly maintenence, actually getting the card, etc.

can't trust dem credit cards! Heh.

I was thinking that too. But, is it actually a credit card? Or just a prepaid card? Or do they work the same way..

I really don't want to change my jobs direct deposit since it can take a couple billing cycles to process. Maybe there is some other way to load it up.

I think it says you can attach your bank account, probably a checking account, to it.
 

kiunchbb

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I was thinking that too. But, is it actually a credit card? Or just a prepaid card? Or do they work the same way..

It is a prepaid card, they are doing this because PayPal is charging riot a lot of money. PayPal is the only option for a lot of people without credit card. They are profiting from this by cutting PayPal out as the middle man.

I don't think there's a fee, I can't check until I get home since for some reason I can't apply using my phone.
 
It is a prepaid card, they are doing this because PayPal is charging riot a lot of money. PayPal is the only option for a lot of people without credit card. They are profiting from this by cutting PayPal out as the middle man.

I don't think there's a fee, I can't check until I get home since for some reason I can't apply using my phone.

4 Green Dot MoneyPak purchase fees of up to $4.95 may apply.

I work as a cashier, so if it's what I think it is, you have to pay a fee for the card, and a fee for whenever you want to reload it. AM has other cards of that sort at the store I work that, and Visa Prepaids work the same way.
 

Edwardo

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It is a prepaid card, they are doing this because PayPal is charging riot a lot of money. PayPal is the only option for a lot of people without credit card. They are profiting from this by cutting PayPal out as the middle man.

I don't think there's a fee, I can't check until I get home since for some reason I can't apply using my phone.

Gotcha. I was thinking that, but just wasn't sure.

Direct deposit means linking your saving or checking account to the debit card. The same way you transfer money to your PayPal account. It has nothing to do with your pay check.

Direct deposit is when your employer deposits your paycheck directly into your bank account. So, you get 10k rp when your direct deposit goes through. Loading money from a bank account, debit card, or credit card will get you 1000rp for the first load of $20. I don't think you get more after that.
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Direct deposit means linking your saving or checking account to the debit card. The same way you transfer money to your PayPal account. It has nothing to do with your pay check.

Oooooooh.

Welp, that's good to hear. Now to wait 2 weeks before I actually get the card. I went with the black League of Legends one since the other designs kinda suck.
 

Edwardo

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I work as a cashier, so if it's what I think it is, you have to pay a fee for the card, and a fee for whenever you want to reload it. AM has other cards of that sort at the store I work that, and Visa Prepaids work the same way.

I think that $4.95 fee only applies with the Green Dot MoneyPak reloads. I don't see anywhere that using a bank account to load with cost you any fees.
 

Telaso

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After reading through most of the terms of service for the card, the only thing i can find that would cost something is withdrawing money via an ATM. If anyone finds something otherwise let me know. I'll use this to get the 3k points and probably nothing else like most people.

Unless you are a resident of either New York, Arkansas or Vermont, or we otherwise waive one or more fees in accordance with the terms of a program, special promotion or offer we may sponsor from time to time, we will impose the fees for the respective transactions set forth in the schedule below conducted through your Account as well as any Sub-Account(s) unless stated otherwise. All fees are in U.S. Dollars and remain subject to change in our discretion and where notice is provided as required by Applicable Law.


ADDING/RECEIVING FUNDS
Funding Fee - Loading/Adding funds into your Account (does not apply to Sub-Accounts) $0


SENDING/WITHDRAWING FUNDS
Personal Send Money to another User $0


ATM TRANSACTIONS
MoneyPass™ Network ATM $0


Out-of-Network ATM $2 for each ATM withdrawal plus any fees assessed by the ATM owner or operator
 
So I suppose I just wait for the card now. It just felt a little sudden. No prompt or email. Just clicked that blue "Sign Up" button and then it started me back on the "Fill-In Your Name and other Things" page.
 

JesseZao

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Direct deposit is when your employer deposits your paycheck directly into your bank account. So, you get 10k rp when your direct deposit goes through. Loading money from a bank account, debit card, or credit card will get you 1000rp for the first load of $20. I don't think you get more after that.

I'm just wondering if you can have a payment from something like amazon turk deposit to the card to count. I haven't looked that closely to see how it's defined.
 

kiunchbb

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Direct deposit is when your employer deposits your paycheck directly into your bank account. So, you get 10k rp when your direct deposit goes through. Loading money from a bank account, debit card, or credit card will get you 1000rp for the first load of $20. I don't think you get more after that.

No, direct deposit mean money going directly from one bank account to another bank account. If you have direct deposit with your employer, that mean instead of writing you a check, your employer will transfer money from their payroll account to your bank account.

Wikipedia said:
Direct deposit also known as direct credit is a banking term that describes a deposit of money straight from the source into a bank account, by electronic funds transfer, or other means where the payment is initiated by the payer not the payee. The money is transferred directly to the recipient bank through a payment system.

A direct deposit with AMEX mean going from your checking account to the AMEX card, it doesn't mean your entire pay check have to go through AMEX.
 

JesseZao

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No, direct deposit mean money going directly from one bank account to another bank account. If you have direct deposit with your employer, that mean instead of writing you a check, your employer will transfer money from their payroll account to your bank account.



A direct deposit with AMEX mean going from your checking account to the AMEX card, it doesn't mean your entire pay check have to go through AMEX.

Except that the options are separate on their site.

3. Link a Funding Source
Bank, Card or Direct Deposit

Edit: Direct Deposit implies a recurring funding source using regular intervals.
 

Edwardo

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I'm just wondering if you can have a payment from something like amazon turk deposit to the card to count. I haven't looked that closely to see how it's defined.

Not sure, but Amazon Turk uses direct deposit right? It should work if they do. To get the 10,000RP you need to have a deposit of $20 or more through direct deposit though.
 

kiunchbb

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Except that the options are separate on their site.

3. Link a Funding Source
Bank, Card or Direct Deposit

Edit: Direct Deposit implies a recurring funding source using regular intervals.

I stand corrected then... so they do want you to put your entire paycheck into the card. Is that the cool thing to do nowsaday? Using debit card instead of a bank account ~_~
 
The skins are really cool, fun takes on the champions. We've had a tonne of grim-dark skins for so long, it's nice to have some goofy, funny skins every once in a while.

I like funny skins. My problem with the Janna skin is it completely takes you out of the game. It's something from our reality, not from the LOL world. I have an issue with skins that are overly silly, even when they're a really good idea (like Ryze's Uncle Sam skin) as it has no business in the game other than being a joke.

It's entirely possible to make funny, lore-possible skins. Riot doesn't do this very often. Instead, they make something that while funny is also irrelevant to the game. I wouldn't call it lazy, just easier.

If you don't like the skins, don't buy them. It really is that simple.

That's a dismissive statement that ignores a totally relevant argument. Even if I don't like the skin, I have to see it, and it ruins my enjoyment of the game as a whole. Not much, to be honest, more like an eyerolling at the worst. But LOL has kind of always been a game where the lore/world comes last and if that's how they want to roll, so be it. I'm in the minority but atmosphere means a lot to me when it comes to gaming.

I do own some silly skins for the novelty, but I'd sacrifice novelty for a more connected world.

But they're hardly bad. They're really well made, they have awesome effects and the concepts are cool.

Well made and well designed are different things. I get the idea behind Janna, it is clever. The thing about Hecarim is it's a skin based on an old internet meme and the style has already been done. I think there are other champs I would rather see an "arcade" makeover with that could be better if they're going to do it.

I like the skins and I'm gonna buy them (well the Janna one, I'll get the others for free from a friend at an event probably).

Fine by me.

Some people are impossible to please.

Condescending and dismissive, but whatever.
 
Honestly, the cashback rate on the card is so low that it's not even worth using the card beyond getting the initial rewards, and most of the rewards are through direct deposit. Not sure if I'll even bother.
 

Acerac

Banned
Honestly, the cashback rate on the card is so low that it's not even worth using the card beyond getting the initial rewards, and most of the rewards are through direct deposit. Not sure if I'll even bother.
3k points for very little effort. Not a huge amount but it seems worthwhile to me.

I'm divided on whether it's worth the couple hours to juggle direct deposits away from my bank and back for the 10k, realistically it shouldn't take more than 2 hours of effort for about 90 bucks worth of RP. Meh.
 

Einbroch

Banned
Honestly, the cashback rate on the card is so low that it's not even worth using the card beyond getting the initial rewards, and most of the rewards are through direct deposit. Not sure if I'll even bother.

Took me 3 minutes to sign up for the card. That's 1k RP.

Will take me another one minute to transfer $20 to my account. That's another 1k RP.

Will take me (an extra) 2-3 minutes to ring up 10 transactions buying 10 $0.99 items I was going to buy anyway. That's another 1k RP.

5.5-6 minutes for 3k RP is totally worth it. It's a prepaid card. Not a debit, not credit. No fees. Just use it those ten times and forget about it. That's 500 RP a minute, or $3.54 a minute. That's good, easy RP.
 

Boken

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I agree with those who say theres no real reason not to just sign up. Whether or not you want to direct deposit is up to you
 

Edwardo

Member
A lot of bank will give you $100 just to open an account with direct deposit, I even see $300 bonus a while ago. It really isn't that great of a deal if you compare to that.

Ya I wouldn't do it either. My old roommate used to switch from bank to bank to get these bonuses when he was short on money for a few months.

my bank switched my card from visa to mastercard. it was pretty upsetting.

Sovereign? They did that to me.
 

JesseZao

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There's also a generic "serve" amex design if you don't want to play with a vidja game card.

Also, you can split your direct deposited paycheck among multiple accounts. It's still a hassle, but I could see people dumping a small amount into it using this method as a budgeted allowance for something
 
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