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League of Legends |OT4| No Country for Old Karma
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Ya I was googling random ults and saw something about some ults not being stopped by qss, but it ended up being nonsense. Just trying to touch up on my game knowledge.
Crystallize
I don't pop molly I rock Tom Ford.
IsayFever
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Numbers don't lie, check the scoreboard
davidpdong
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I went to Tom Fords once...man..that was pretty soul crushing.
Yes.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I feel like playing Teemo for some reason.
PhillipCostigan
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I dunno guys, I think Yi does quite a bit of damage.
let's play
you don't have to be the same rank to duo.
Mister Negative
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god bless, VES, god bless
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Wow, I forgot you could kill some people with 2 shrooms with the right items.
Always funny when an enemy champ manages to walk through all your mushrooms in a row.
Always funny when an enemy champ manages to walk through all your mushrooms in a row.
When I went through S1 I got clamped hard until I hit around 40-50 LP then I was getting ~20LP again. YMMV, but the clamp seemed to hit early instead of late for me.
Tri-Force Ez?
Yup. I also didn't realize Statik Shiv was a common ADC pick.
Sigismundo
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Hi kids. Someone please explain to me why Zac is good/overpowered cause I'm not seeing it.
Tanky, huge range initiation with knock up, slow, ae % health damage, ult that knock up everyone it bounces on plus a movement speed boost, infinite sustain with the % max health blobs, passive that gives him a second chance at life. Great for getting dove or diving. Or filling his role as a tanky initiator.
Did I mention really tanky?
Even in silver teams are finally figuring out how to follow up a zac initiation.
Because he doesnt use mana, has high burst, has sustained max health damage, cc, an awesome initiation skill, sustains forever and his passive is probably top 10 in the game?
Is Diana better mid or jungle?
Looking at lolking can get you some pretty good builds.
Looking at lolking can get you some pretty good builds.
Wolf Akela
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Strong initiate, very disruptive, *big* sustained AoE HP% damage, good sustain, annoying to kill. I won't be surprised to see him get nerfed a few times. He's just a strong pick as a solo laner and jungler.
First time with Ahri in SR, pretty cool combo with mobility on her ult that makes it really satisfying to pull off although the key to her kit, the charm, is a bit hard for me to pull off. And that Miss Fortune was a thing, she got into an argument with our jungler from picks and we all were wonder why she wanted to play Miss Fortune top from the start. She also went AFK so some period of time not like she ever did anything throughout the game.
Also it was pretty funny to ult into Baron pit steal the Baron kill and ult out.
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yeah, ahri is good fun, especially against skillshot champions
might have a pretty low cd (like 45s) because its core to his kit and engagement
Schmattakopf
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Duo carry.
Wolf Akela
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I saw a D5 Heim against B2 TF. That was brutal to watch. 
High base damage AOE magic abilities all on extremely short cooldowns. Innate sustain combined without mana. Highly spammable CC. Long range initiation can only be stopped with extremely deep and extensive ward coverage, and even then the most you can do is run away. During ultimate he might as well be untouchable with CC reduction and movespeed boost.
Fuck Zac's passive. When I played him on the PBE the compromise for a manaless champion was high health costs. Riot cut those out and Zac became a literal champion for babbies. Spam all your abilities whenever and wherever. Your passive will give you back equal and often more health than was spent. And that is only half of his passive. He gets two for literally no reason, and the survivability added by cell division only adds to what an obscene initiator and tank Zac is.
Wolf Akela
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I think Zac's costs were like 8-12% of current health back in PBE? They cut it all down to 4%. Instead of being a way to limit your spellcasts, it just encouraged it.
edit: It was 6/4/12% for his QWE.
edit: It was 6/4/12% for his QWE.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/zac®ion=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=gold#statistics
dat solo queue win rate. zac so OP
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the reason why zac is so prolific is because he has an incredibly good matchup against shen, who has top tier utility and will probably always be a high pick
are you at SEA regionals
dat solo queue win rate. zac so OP
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the reason why zac is so prolific is because he has an incredibly good matchup against shen, who has top tier utility and will probably always be a high pick
are you at SEA regionals
it is difficult to describe how dumb this post is.
maybe its because youre too dumb
maybe.
there is no correlation between zac and shen picks though, and zac is still a common pick without shen in games. winrate on sites like lolking is a meaningless indicator of champion strength, but champions with high pick rates that still maintain 50%+ winrates are almost always problem champions (i.e. Janna and Jarvan). zac's winrate is not particularly revealing of his power in either direction, particularly when it seems like most of the numbers are still being pulled from him jungling and not just laning.
i don't think zac gets banned out more often than shen at all levels of play just because he is some kind of counter.
i point out lolking to drive the conversation away from solo queue analysis and towards some kind of competitive gaming discussion
youre wrong about zac not being a valued as a couterpick. there needs to be better competitive stat tracking websites, but in EU lcs total, zac is half the pick/ban rate of shen. in NA, zac is 20% less.
More detailed draft analysis is more revealing though. look at OGN quarterfinals for example: http://lol.gamepedia.com/HOT6iX_Champions_Summer_2013/Picks_and_Bans/Bracket_Stage
ok so,
cjb v ktb g1, zac is first picked (shen banned), ok so far so bad. zac seems strong in and of himself and first pick material.
cjb v ktb g2, shen banned, no zac pick.
cjb v ktb g3, cjb pick shen, ktb pick zac 3 picks later.
cjb v ktb g4, cjb ban zac and proceed to first pick shen
cjb v ktb g5, ktb team features shen. no zac in either team. (blind)
cjf v njws g1, cjf FP shen, njws pick zac right after
cjf v njws g2, shen banned, zac pick by cjf
cjf v njws g3, zac is banned by cjf and njws respond by banning shen
skt1 v jaf g1, shen fp by jaf, skt1 pick zac right after
skt1 v jaf g2, shen banned, zac fp
skt1 v jaf g3, jaf bans zac and then fp shen (singed is used to counterpick shen this game)
mvpo v ctu, first 2 games feature a shen 2nd pick and a zac afterwards by the other team
mvpo v ctu, zac banned by ctu but dont first pick him, mvpo 2nd pick shen. (the hell was ctu doing)
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thats 3/13 games where zac is picked either 1st or 2nd/3rd with shen banned/or not picked yet
and 8/13 games where shen is an early pick and zac is a later pick, or when zac is banned, shen is picked early, or when zac is banned, shen is banned right after.
theres a reasonable amount of evidence that zac is used in response to shen with this limited analysis
youre wrong about zac not being a valued as a couterpick. there needs to be better competitive stat tracking websites, but in EU lcs total, zac is half the pick/ban rate of shen. in NA, zac is 20% less.
More detailed draft analysis is more revealing though. look at OGN quarterfinals for example: http://lol.gamepedia.com/HOT6iX_Champions_Summer_2013/Picks_and_Bans/Bracket_Stage
ok so,
cjb v ktb g1, zac is first picked (shen banned), ok so far so bad. zac seems strong in and of himself and first pick material.
cjb v ktb g2, shen banned, no zac pick.
cjb v ktb g3, cjb pick shen, ktb pick zac 3 picks later.
cjb v ktb g4, cjb ban zac and proceed to first pick shen
cjb v ktb g5, ktb team features shen. no zac in either team. (blind)
cjf v njws g1, cjf FP shen, njws pick zac right after
cjf v njws g2, shen banned, zac pick by cjf
cjf v njws g3, zac is banned by cjf and njws respond by banning shen
skt1 v jaf g1, shen fp by jaf, skt1 pick zac right after
skt1 v jaf g2, shen banned, zac fp
skt1 v jaf g3, jaf bans zac and then fp shen (singed is used to counterpick shen this game)
mvpo v ctu, first 2 games feature a shen 2nd pick and a zac afterwards by the other team
mvpo v ctu, zac banned by ctu but dont first pick him, mvpo 2nd pick shen. (the hell was ctu doing)
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thats 3/13 games where zac is picked either 1st or 2nd/3rd with shen banned/or not picked yet
and 8/13 games where shen is an early pick and zac is a later pick, or when zac is banned, shen is picked early, or when zac is banned, shen is banned right after.
theres a reasonable amount of evidence that zac is used in response to shen with this limited analysis
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