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League of Legends |OT4| No Country for Old Karma
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PhillipCostigan
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Just played Jinx.
Haven't had as much fun with a champion in ages. So much fun.
and she's really strong. So so good.
Haven't had as much fun with a champion in ages. So much fun.
and she's really strong. So so good.
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Stone Ocean
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Was it that hard to make an ADC without an escape that has a reliable kit, great range, strong late game and a good ult to compensate for the mobility?
We'll see. On paper, it looks like she'll have trouble vs Assassins diving her with non-movement based gap closers. Not sure how she'll really do against, say, Fizz, Zed, etc. that can bypass her E and outplay the W.
Lucian's biggest problem are the bad players. His Q is getting a slight tweak (though, really, it's not that necessary) and his ult power is being shifted some. Still, as long as people sit there and try to ult in the middle of teamfights, he'll forever be considered bad.
Stone Ocean
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Well I'm so far ahead on the IP train that I can easily buy each new champ as they release.
Feels good man. 47k IP. Just have to decide if I wanna buy RP for some skins ... think I'll wait for the Halloween skins to come out before I splurge ... hope Zombie Brand makes a comeback.
Feels good man. 47k IP. Just have to decide if I wanna buy RP for some skins ... think I'll wait for the Halloween skins to come out before I splurge ... hope Zombie Brand makes a comeback.
Stone Ocean
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She's more like Ashe/Draven imo.
Little to no mobility, good range, probably a lane bully, great dueling potential and a some really good CC.
Little to no mobility, good range, probably a lane bully, great dueling potential and a some really good CC.
That's my plan as well. I can get Mafia Jinx anytime, I'd rather focus on the limited time stuff, plus we'll probably get RP rewards this year again.
Maybe? I dunno. As someone who plays a lot of "I just dive people k" champs, 700 range isn't that big of a deal to me unless they're on the stronger zoning side. With a good zoning comp, I can see trying to dive 700 range to be rough but in most disorganized situations, not really sure how well she'll fare there.
I dunno. Triforce second rarely feels right and I'm not really sure if she has the kit to chain Sheen procs with impunity. But, at the same time, it does "feel" like TF is something she would want to have, though part of me just thinks that is due to TF's current power level.
Edit: I'm still thinking BT first to make the most out of her W's tAD scaling + the natural ASPD she gets (even Rank 1's 50% is pretty much comparable to most mid-level steroids anyway) might be ideal. Dunno. I'll have to put time in her to get a better idea for that.
He's not just bad because of bad players...he just doesn't really do anything better than anyone else. That and the fact that he's completely out of mana by using just 5 abilities. Bad players don't use him well, but what's drawing good players to use him? Is he a strong lane bully? No. Does he have good poke/harass? Maybe, but you'll run out of mana. Does he have a great late game? No, just average.
People want him to be strong because he's a cool champ. Even I want him to be powerful, but at the moment, I have to say he is not.
yesss i can't wait for Halloween skins. i'm going to buy a few.
Stone Ocean
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Are they at very low health running away from you outside of your auto attack range / you are running away and your E is on CD? Use ult.
Every other situation that is not using your ult to kill minions and monsters? Don't use ult.
It's either for chasing someone out of your range, or being chased. It's also really good for waveclear.
He's a late-game hyper carry. He has really good scaling on his skills (that are relatively low cooldown) as well as having a steroid that basically deals +50% tAD on next-attack whenever he uses a skill. He has a weak early lane due to his Q double scaling (that is, base damage and scaling increases) so it takes awhile before he hits his stride there coupled with a Level 6 power-spike that isn't great in direct confrontations.
Pretty much to use while escaping or while pursuing people beyond your max range. His ult's range is 1400. That's massive. Very few champions, much less ADCs, can even attempt to put out any kind of damage at that range.
i see it as a long range kiting tool
for those times when akali is just waiting for you to come into jump range, theres lucian ult
try diving a 1400 range 70% slow :/ her numbers sound really good tbh, but id rather have an OP adc than another lucian at this point.
shes gated by her weak laning phase since her Q sounds pretty shit in lane. her free AS% is pretty high, but her AS growth seems on the low side. seems to be an AD-favoured mm
Stone Ocean
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I don't see how her laning phase is weak. She has 600 range at level 1 if you rank Q first, that's enough to poke the fuck outta every adc in the game but two. If she gets an agressive support she can chain CC with her W and E.
And if all else fails she can farm outside of almost any adc's range during laning phase starting level 3. The splash damage might get the lane pushed though, so only time will tell.
And if all else fails she can farm outside of almost any adc's range during laning phase starting level 3. The splash damage might get the lane pushed though, so only time will tell.
It's not going to be that hard to get into her range, Cait's a problem because she can net back if she see's someone like Draven running towards her. Sure, she can slow but that won't stop getting some autos in. Also, 20 mana per shot is very expensive early on. Ashe uses 8 mana per q, and that should be a good reference point for you.
Stone Ocean
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Oh yeah, forgot about the 20 mana per attack. Thats going to hurt.
Going at least 7 in utility will be a must, most likely. Extra mana regen per 5 and mana per level.
Going at least 7 in utility will be a must, most likely. Extra mana regen per 5 and mana per level.
PhillipCostigan
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I didn't have a single mana problem with her. You're not going to be using rockets all the time.
Mister Wilhelm
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Lucian sucks right now. He needs some real work. His Q is bullshit in how it works and his ult is super situational.
I remember people saying this about Varus when he came out and I was like a broken record saying he was fantastic. Then he got nerfed hard after everyone went E first.
Lucian is not going to end up the same way. Sucks. Period.
I remember people saying this about Varus when he came out and I was like a broken record saying he was fantastic. Then he got nerfed hard after everyone went E first.
Lucian is not going to end up the same way. Sucks. Period.
Yeah, I agree. The point is, is that you're not going to be using the rockets to farm or harass a lot during laning.
Narrow linear skillshot with a ~.8s-1s windup delay (though negligible travel delay). Yes, it's really good if it hits but there's an if there. We'll see, I guess?
Sounds like she'll spike around 6, 7, 9 area. Part of the reason I see for the BT is because of this, honestly. Let her have the option of staying at long range with early points in Q while remaining relevant damage wise off her W through tAD scaling + all the natural Q ASPD.
Range is only relevant if you can stay at it, however. She'll have a weak laning phase in the sense that she'll lose pretty much every trading confrontation until she can set up and sit there with Minigun. Her W is cheap, though, and deals good enough damage so I can see that being used a fair amount in lane.
Stone Ocean
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Varus got tweaked multiple times before he was considered good. He was also released in a very different enviroment with very different dominant picks.
That's like saying Nami was always good or that Zed was good on release. He didn't suddenly get discovered because he was good to begin with, changes don't happen in a vacuum.
we're talking about laning early game
Rockets are great for harass. You can't hide right behind the minions due to the aoe. The mana problem is solvable with a tear/manamune (stacks on aa), but I'm not sure that's the most efficient way to built her.
Feel like it would just make her ultimately weaker in lane to build a non-Damage item that early, honestly.
Stone Ocean
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Yeah, I don't think rushing Muramana is going to do any favors for her damage.
yeah tbh, im not sure about maxing her Q first... it really gives her so little
so you get this amazing range, but you dont have the items nor the attack speed to back it up mid game anyway. you'd end up being a shitty kog
the scaling on her W and her E are amazing, so i think those are the first to max - stay in rank 1 rocket and just hit once in a while mid game.
so you get this amazing range, but you dont have the items nor the attack speed to back it up mid game anyway. you'd end up being a shitty kog
the scaling on her W and her E are amazing, so i think those are the first to max - stay in rank 1 rocket and just hit once in a while mid game.
Stone Ocean
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Looking at her stats better, I agree, Q looks like a really good one point wonder, no need to max it first - 600 range will be more than enough for laning phase.
Plus the slow scaling on W is bananas, from 30% to fucking 70. QEWWR, perhaps? Or E at level 4?
Plus the slow scaling on W is bananas, from 30% to fucking 70. QEWWR, perhaps? Or E at level 4?
PhillipCostigan
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No. Max E last.
There's a debate to be had on W over Q, although I just like Q more. You gain 80% attack speed from rank 1 to 5 and 20 range per rank. Like that's going to be so valuable in mid game fights.
W has really good scaling, sure, but it's cooldown limited. I feel like you'd jet get more damage out of Q.
There's a debate to be had on W over Q, although I just like Q more. You gain 80% attack speed from rank 1 to 5 and 20 range per rank. Like that's going to be so valuable in mid game fights.
W has really good scaling, sure, but it's cooldown limited. I feel like you'd jet get more damage out of Q.
The only reason I'm torn on this is from W being tAD with a so-so return per point (+30). Maxing E early feels weird too since the major parts of the skill don't improve per point + the cost increases.
My gut was max WQER but from people's impressions so far, not sure if that's the best case yet.
Stone Ocean
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It's cooldown limited but the CD scales pretty nicely with ranks. Mana cost remains relatively low as well.
Is it blocked by minions?
Is it blocked by minions?
PhillipCostigan
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yes. and it only hits one target.
PD over Shiv.
Maxing W seems really solid, and will probably give her a little bit of trading potential to make her laning slightly better.
I find Shiv to be a lot better than PD in a lot of cases. The wave clear is great, and the burst damage from the passive is really nice. The only champion I actually still build PD over Shiv is Draven, and that's simply because PD's passive works well on him, and that he doesn't need movement speed.
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PhillipCostigan
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She doesn't need the wave clear, and she needs more attack speed because she doesn't get the attack speed with rockets and rockets AoE crit, so the more crit chance you have the better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HgBL05N3eQ
dan dinh plays jinx
that passive looks absolutely ridonkulus
tower diving all day
snowballing team fights all night
dan dinh plays jinx
that passive looks absolutely ridonkulus
tower diving all day
snowballing team fights all night
Diprosalic
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just had the worst LoL game ever. we were winning hard but trynda was always split pushing and going in 1v5 and malzahar quit 5 times because he got "no gang". the enemy team was so underfed that we easily stopped them when they were pushing and then nobody from our team attacked. 60 min later they finally catch up in items and win.
everybody flaming the entire time. i'm alistar and can't do much.
i almost punched my screen.
everybody flaming the entire time. i'm alistar and can't do much.
i almost punched my screen.
With all the movement and ASPD she gets anyway, Shiv just makes more sense. Like, PD is rarely the better choice for basically any ADC honestly.
Not really sure how, though. It's a relatively long delay narrow skillshot. You can poke with it, sure, but it seems fairly easy to minion block it there. Trading with it shouldn't be ideal to lose 1s of AA. considering the high chance of missing it (unless they're snared by her E, I suppose).
Shiv will still ultimately be more damage in the long run, honestly.
I think people really underestimate the damage he can do if you're getting your passive to proc between each ability. He is also pretty safe with his e + movespeed, his abilities ranges are pretty huge and he has really good waveclear too.
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