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[dimb]

because Yorick is a terribly designed champion that's awful to play against, so Riot wanted to give people something back for enduring playing against the assholes that pick Yorick.

Neither of them are that strong though. The nerfs are ridiculous appeasement to know-nothing whiners. Breaking Yorick by messing around with him before his rework is just dumb. This makes already dangerous match ups like Nasus extremely one sided against Yorick.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Neither of them are that strong though. The nerfs are ridiculous appeasement to know-nothing whiners. Breaking Yorick by messing around with him before his rework is just dumb. This makes already dangerous match ups like Nasus extremely one sided against Yorick.

My guess is that they don't want Yorick being played period until he gets reworked.

He just got evefied.

 

[dimb]

My guess is that they don't want Yorick being played period until he gets reworked.

Uh...why? Who cares?

 

[Stone Ocean]

Olaf and Garen everywhere, even in Diamond streams.

My decision to take a break from ranked is apparently wise.

Uh...why? Who cares?

Low elo players.

It's always the low elo players.

 

[PROGRAM_IX]

Switching roles often works when you feel you're in a slump regarding your own skill.

I played nothing but mid for two years and couldn't get anywhere. I arrived at the conclusion that I'm a really shit mid besides thinking it was my best role after practicing it for so long and it turns out I'm a much, much better jungler/marksman due to the way I play - I either focus 100% on my lane and farming or I focus 100% on roaming and ganking, and to be a good mid player you need to do both - and I've been playing better and better after focusing on those two for the past 5 months or so.

This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. In the world of assassins and gap closers galore, it is challenging to play an ADC in low elo. If you don't get an advantage in lane, you're pretty much screwed. Positioning in teamfights is just not happening.

Especially if you get stuck in the role.

^^ that's pretty good advice. On top of possibly finding a role you are more suited to, you learn more about the overall game by getting more comfortable with what the other roles are doing. Play some normals in a new role, get comfy with it and then spam it in ranked.

That's the thing, though. I'm relatively comfortable in all roles. I always say 'I'll fill' in champion select, and I dunno if there's one role I do better than the others. I thought that was how you were supposed to do it. >.<

That said, I will try calling any other role for a bit, see how it goes.

So what champs benefit the most from using smart cast? Other than all of them..

It's an every other day thing, so im used to it by now -_-

Orianna, Zyra, Ryze definitely, Lee Sin apparently. Committing to smartcast (QuickCast™) also makes for, to my mind, a more consistent experience with champions like Sona or Udyr who are stance-based. I found it quite nice on Viktor, too, although dat E can be a pain at first.

Yeah, I've been up and down from the bottom for a few weeks at this stage.

It's always the low elo players.

In fairness though, aren't the majority of players 'low Elo'? Doesn't seem that unreasonable to cater to them, even if it's a pretty lame change on Yorick.

 

[Boken]

what are you even talking about

 

[dimb]

In fairness though, aren't the majority of players 'low Elo'? Doesn't seem that unreasonable to cater to them, even if it's a pretty lame change on Yorick.

no. i don't think the yorick stuff has anything to do with low level players either.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

Neither of them are that strong though. The nerfs are ridiculous appeasement to know-nothing whiners. Breaking Yorick by messing around with him before his rework is just dumb. This makes already dangerous match ups like Nasus extremely one sided against Yorick.

I don't think they're strong, they're just incredibly frustrating to play against. I can beat a Yorick in lane, it doesn't mean he's not the most annoying champion to top lane as. All he does is infinite mana stack and throw ghouls at you until he has a late game carry to clone. He's just annoying to deal with.

Giving gold for destroying his ghouls at least gives you something for having to endure it.

Also it brings them inline with champs like Zyra who's plants give you gold when you kill them.

 

[Stone Ocean]

That's the thing, though. I'm relatively comfortable in all roles. I always say 'I'll fill' in champion select, and I dunno if there's one role I do better than the others. I thought that was how you were supposed to do it. >.<

That said, I will try calling any other role for a bit, see how it goes.

In fairness though, aren't the majority of players 'low Elo'? Doesn't seem that unreasonable to cater to them, even if it's a pretty lame change on Yorick.

Filling will just get you sandbagged into roles people don't want or can't play, don't do that. Be open to do other things if your team needs it, but focus on one thing.

Also the thing is that Yorick already sucks. Making his ghouls give gold basically just removes him from the game, it isn't really necessary. At least he's getting reworked soon, though. Teemo on the other hand can die in a fire.

 

[Boken]

nothing much, just sitting in brush

 

[Diprosalic]

please just open up OT5 already.

 

[Snowman]

Just got my new PC so now I might finally be able to play at above 30 fps and maybe even turn my settings up a bit

Wonder how much it'll effect my LoL-playing.

 

[Diprosalic]

Just got my new PC so now I might finally be able to play at above 30 fps and maybe even turn my settings up a bit

Wonder how much it'll effect my LoL-playing.

my condolences. i get nervous twitches if my fps drops below 60.

60@18 ping, that's how i roll 8)

 

[garath]

That's the thing, though. I'm relatively comfortable in all roles. I always say 'I'll fill' in champion select, and I dunno if there's one role I do better than the others. I thought that was how you were supposed to do it. >.<

That said, I will try calling any other role for a bit, see how it goes.

"I'll fill" is usually code word for "I'll support". Each role requires some dedication. You need to understand the matchups and dynamics of the role on more than a cursory level. Dedicating yourself to that role gives you more understanding of what happens in a variety of scenarios with a variety of champions. I play a great Elise in the jungle but one time I had to top and I picked Elise into Zac and got smoked (later found out the Zac was Plat but that's a besides the point). I didn't know anything about the matchup and I was not familiar with Elise in a laning role.

Basically it's a good approach to choose a role you like. Ask for that role. If you have higher pick order, take that role regardless. Learn all the good champions for that role and their matchups. You will get better at the game and advance more by doing so. It's great to be well rounded and you need that in ranked but try to stick to one position if you can to truly excel.

Generally if you have to fill another role, shrink your champion pool for that role so you don't get stuck not really knowing how the lane works. i.e. I don't top often, but when I do I choose Darius. He's rarely banned, rarely picked, straightforward to play, relevant late game even if you get smoked in lane and since I always pick him top (except for the previously mentioned stomping) I'm good at him in most matchups. Sure I can play a ton of top type champs but I've never actually played them top. At least not recently. So I stick to Darius.

 

[erragal]

Honestly, I'm throwing up my hands at this stage. I used to think I was a fairly competent support (Leona/Janna at any rate), but nothing seems to go right these days. I don't want to blame the ADCs, 'cos I'm sure I'm contributing to the losses, but support is not working at all for me any more. I mean, I have bad times in other roles, too, but support has been quite consistently bad for a while.

I dunno, I ward and try to watch out for danger, ping missing enemies, suggest dragon, save my carry, praise teamwork, etc. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
?

Janna/Leona are crazy reliant on your teammates playing well to accomplish much. Janna is usually used as a team based disengage pick with a protective/safe laning phase in most matchups reliant on shield ad buff with alert adc harassment for aggression. Leona can be bullied extremely easily against most of the popular support picks and requires alert adc reactions to follow up. Leona can also be a great anti dive champion but you dnt want to count on your opponents playing -that- sloppy.

I'd try to play zyra or sona to have more of a controlling impact over the lane; just avoid picking sona too early if you can.

Trying other roles is a great idea. Keep in mind that being the fill guy is great but you're often going up against specialists in many roles and not being a specialist yourself can be a disadvantage regardless of your innate/overally skill level.

 

[Boken]

cuter than lulu

 

[Diprosalic]

Program, duo with me botlane, then you know why you lose.

hint: it's me.

 

[Edwardo]

60@18 ping, that's how i roll 8)

Daaang. I'm at 60fps, but I've never played below 97 ping.

 

[Snowman]

my condolences. i get nervous twitches if my fps drops below 60.

60@18 ping, that's how i roll 8)

That's what all my friends say too, but it never bothered me too much 'cause I was used to it I guess. Just waiting for LoL to download so I can start playing at 60 like everyone else

 

[PROGRAM_IX]

no. i don't think the yorick stuff has anything to do with low level players either.

Fair enough. Noboby specified what 'low Elo' meant so I guess that assumption's on me. Can't comment on the Yorick thing specifically, never really gave him a go early on, and haven't wanted to since people seem to hate him so much these days.

Filling will just get you sandbagged into roles people don't want or can't play, don't do that. Be open to do other things if your team needs it, but focus on one thing.

"I'll fill" is usually code word for "I'll support". Each role requires some dedication. You need to understand the matchups and dynamics of the role on more than a cursory level. Dedicating yourself to that role gives you more understanding of what happens in a variety of scenarios with a variety of champions. I play a great Elise in the jungle but one time I had to top and I picked Elise into Zac and got smoked (later found out the Zac was Plat but that's a besides the point). I didn't know anything about the matchup and I was not familiar with Elise in a laning role.

Basically it's a good approach to choose a role you like. Ask for that role. If you have higher pick order, take that role regardless. Learn all the good champions for that role and their matchups. You will get better at the game and advance more by doing so. It's great to be well rounded and you need that in ranked but try to stick to one position if you can to truly excel.

Generally if you have to fill another role, shrink your champion pool for that role so you don't get stuck not really knowing how the lane works. i.e. I don't top often, but when I do I choose Darius. He's rarely banned, rarely picked, straightforward to play, relevant late game even if you get smoked in lane and since I always pick him top (except for the previously mentioned stomping) I'm good at him in most matchups. Sure I can play a ton of top type champs but I've never actually played them top. At least not recently. So I stick to Darius.

Janna/Leona are crazy reliant on your teammates playing well to accomplish much. Janna is usually used as a team based disengage pick with a protective/safe laning phase in most matchups reliant on shield ad buff with alert adc harassment for aggression. Leona can be bullied extremely easily against most of the popular support picks and requires alert adc reactions to follow up. Leona can also be a great anti dive champion but you dnt want to count on your opponents playing -that- sloppy.

I'd try to play zyra or sona to have more of a controlling impact over the lane; just avoid picking sona too early if you can.

Trying other roles is a great idea. Keep in mind that being the fill guy is great but you're often going up against specialists in many roles and not being a specialist yourself can be a disadvantage regardless of your innate/overally skill level.

All this advice is great, thanks. Also good to hear that focusing on being able to play everything isn't much of a focus. >.< I knew that I suppose, but I was still thinking 'I don't wanna be the guy who's calling a role and being a douche about it'.

Just got my new PC so now I might finally be able to play at above 30 fps and maybe even turn my settings up a bit

Wonder how much it'll effect my LoL-playing.

Did the same recently, and although LoL looks nicer, that's really the only difference I've noticed. I worry less about FPS drops (peak of 120 ) but can't say the extra has helped me in any way I can think of. I do remember being a bit worried the first time I could actually see the Elder Lizard burn on enemies though. I was like, whaaaaat is that? Turned out it doesn't show up to such a degree on Very Low. XD

Edit:

Program, duo with me botlane, then you know why you lose.

hint: it's me.

It's like looking in a mirror dude.

 

[Stone Ocean]

You can call a role and not be a dick about it. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Diprosalic]

just had a good botlane cait vs ashe, bullied here so much and got a sizable creep advantage. sadly, i couldn't kill her and my supp/jungler started feeding her when i recalled

::

what are the gameplay changes to new shitty looking garen? i guess you still can cancel the spin. did they reverse the PBE nerfs?

 

[Stone Ocean]

Absolutely nothing changed for Garen gameplay wise - thouhg some people don't like his new auto attack.

 

[garath]

You can call a role and not be a dick about it. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

Yep.

This is exactly what I do:

"Hi, pref jungle"

or depending on how I feel:

"Hi, pref jungle or support"

Then I observe what if anyone else says. Usually stuff like "mid", "pref mid/adc/top/jungle", "bot with so and so", etc. If I'm a higher pick than someone else that wants jungle I'll probably take jungle anyways, that's the way it works. If no one else wants jungle I'll take jungle. If someone higher pick requests jungle I'll say "ok, I can support". As that's my second role of choice.

Once in awhile someone lower pick is really insistent that they are the best jungler ever and they'll feed horribly in any other role, etc etc. I'll make a judgement call if I opt to give it to them. Lolking is handy for making those decisions.

Pick order is everything really. If I'm low pick I'll state my preferences but know I'm possibly going to fill. Most people know this and respect it.

 

[Newt]

This might sound terrible and all, but I've found that never giving last pick a chance to mid has actually really helped my chances of winning.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I just say jungle please, if I'm first pick or anything I just jungle, if I'm a lower pick I hope people allow me to jungle but fill otherwise. If it starts to look like I'm going to have to support, I ask if anyone else can support.

If not, I dodge because fuck that god forsaken role. Unless it's promos, then I suck it up and load up Annie.

 

[scy]

mid or feed

 

[bjaelke]

Theory craft and explain this build.

 

[Newt]

I just say jungle please, if I'm first pick or anything I just jungle, if I'm a lower pick I hope people allow me to jungle but fill otherwise. If it starts to look like I'm going to have to support, I ask if anyone else can support.

If not, I dodge because fuck that god forsaken role. Unless it's promos, then I suck it up and load up Annie.

Support is my preferred role after AD. Chart doesn't lie bro.

 

[Newt]

Theory craft and explain this build.

Well Zerkers is fine on Kayle if you're running mpen runes. They were building Nashers, which is good for sustained damage Kayle... but Lichbane for burst Kayle? Gunblade? Runaan's????


You found the Kayos smurf!!!

 

[PROGRAM_IX]

You can call a role and not be a dick about it. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

Yep.

You're absolutely right, but you may note that logic and self-doubt generally are mutually exclusive.

This is exactly what I do:

"Hi, pref jungle"

or depending on how I feel:

"Hi, pref jungle or support"

Then I observe what if anyone else says. Usually stuff like "mid", "pref mid/adc/top/jungle", "bot with so and so", etc. If I'm a higher pick than someone else that wants jungle I'll probably take jungle anyways, that's the way it works. If no one else wants jungle I'll take jungle. If someone higher pick requests jungle I'll say "ok, I can support". As that's my second role of choice.

Once in awhile someone lower pick is really insistent that they are the best jungler ever and they'll feed horribly in any other role, etc etc. I'll make a judgement call if I opt to give it to them. Lolking is handy for making those decisions.

Pick order is everything really. If I'm low pick I'll state my preferences but know I'm possibly going to fill. Most people know this and respect it.

I'll try this. I used to be

Spoiler

borderline

competent with certain champions in other lanes (if anyone remembers my Midplank posts...) so I know it can be done. Just have to do it. Thanks for the advice guys.

This might sound terrible and all, but I've found that never giving last pick a chance to mid has actually really helped my chances of winning.

Eh, at some level it makes sense. Mid is the pressure lane, and if someone's already under the pressure of being last pick, they might tilt hard. Not to mention the skill matchups, which are naturally going to be harder for someone whose Elo is lower.

 

[scy]

Theory craft and explain this build.

This is like one of those trick questions where halfway through you realize the correct answer is to just say that it's not a build, right?

Eh, at some level it makes sense. Mid is the pressure lane, and if someone's already under the pressure of being last pick, they might tilt hard. Not to mention the skill matchups, which are naturally going to be harder for someone whose Elo is lower.

A gap of like 60-ish MMR isn't that big of a deal for skill, especially if it's their main role. Besides, last pick means they can counter pick better, though maybe they'll just instalock Syndra into Fizz or something.

I mean, you could apply this generally across the board if you really wanted to just for how matchups with the enemy team may go. There's an inherent MMR gap between the two teams to begin with.

 

[Edwardo]

Support is my preferred role after AD. Chart doesn't lie bro.

Why is my chart the same

 

[Newt]

Why is my chart the same

This isn't my winrate, it's overall summoner winrate, lol. If it was my chart it would be like 60% for Draven, 60% for Sona, 50% with Kayle and feed for everything else .

 

[PhillipCostigan]

Man, new patch day was the worst day to get a Hearthstone key. Choices, choices...

 

[bjaelke]

Man, new patch day was the worst day to get a Hearthstone key. Choices, choices...

EUW is bugged. Easy decision

Spoiler

BF4

 

[scy]

Man, new patch day was the worst day to get a Hearthstone key. Choices, choices...

wat

 

[Newt]

wat

He's dying to play the new Garen.

 

[scy]

I was "wat" to him getting a Hearthstone key ;_______;

 

[Edwardo]

This isn't my winrate, it's overall summoner winrate, lol. If it was my chart it would be like 60% for Draven, 60% for Sona, 50% with Kayle and feed for everything else .

Oh nvm.. haha.. I thought it was individual.

 

[drawkcaB]

no. i don't think the yorick stuff has anything to do with low level players either.

Occam's Razor applies here I think. Every other minion in the game yields gold when killed even static ones like Teemo shrooms now. It's just a matter of consistency.

 

[Wolf Akela]

So much for Pentakill.

Man their Elise was surprisingly tanky. Even before she had Frozen Heart, and even when I had all my items could *barely* 1v1 her with her Spiderlings.

I tried swapping Berserkers with Zephyr but I didn't like having 375MS even though I was generally safe in teamfights. I probably should have sold GA for a Mallet while it was on cooldown so I could kite much better.

 

[dimb]

I don't think they're strong, they're just incredibly frustrating to play against.

the frustration of playing against yorick is vastly overblown fud propegated by a different era. yorick is not that bad to lane against. i would rather lane against yorick than like ten other top laners. i know i have said this before. his harass is not particularly strong. he has no powerful finisher like other harass champions (i.e. Nidalee or Jayce) so the most he can do is push you out of lane. he is extremely weak to all ins, and generally can be completely neutralized by even the smallest amount of sustain.

All he does is infinite mana stack and throw ghouls at you until he has a late game carry to clone. He's just annoying to deal with.

good yorick's do lots of damage and take lots of damage. provide vision in areas. siege well. dive well. it is hilarious to read "infinite mana stack" because he has more mana problems than probably anyone else in the game. this is what makes his already fairly weak harass even weaker. on top of that, the need to ability spam in lane makes him an even easier gank target than he already is.

like, there are so many top laners who are more "annoying". there are champions with better poke. better sustain. better cc.

Giving gold for destroying his ghouls at least gives you something for having to endure it.

Also it brings them inline with champs like Zyra who's plants give you gold when you kill them.

people do not deserve gold for destroying ghouls. by giving them a gold value it actively dissuades yorick from even using his kit. it is an atrocious change for a champion that isn't even a problem right now. it is not comprable to zyra.

Occam's Razor applies here I think. Every other minion in the game yields gold when killed even static ones like Teemo shrooms now. It's just a matter of consistency.

none of the other minions in the game have decaying health either that set up easy kills for free gold on minions that have to be used regularly just to be active in a fight.

 

[scy]

I think the bigger question is why is it 5 for something that is constantly in use like Yorick Ghouls. 2-3 Gold, sure maybe, but 5 seems like it can potentially be a lot of Gold over the course of laning.

Lane Shyvana to counter Yorick, all that free Gold thx Burnout

Edit: I should refresh more.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Elise's spiders are worth 5 gold each, are they not?

 

[drawkcaB]

none of the other minions in the game have decaying health either that set up easy kills for free gold on minions that have to be used regularly just to be active in a fight.

Unimportant. If you have to hit it to kill before its timer is up, it's a minion and should yield gold for consistency. Consistency and readablility should trump all in LoL, as is the designers intent. Whether 5g is too much as scy mentions is the correct discussion to have about this change.

 

[scy]

Elise's spiders are worth 5 gold each, are they not?

And a halfway decent Elise will keep her Spider deaths to an absolute minimum. It's not like you sit in Spider form while laning and send them out to harass. You only really use them when you're going all-in or if you're free to W sustain.

Yorick is looking at sending out 3-400+ Gold during lane phase alone, if not more. I'll be surprised if you can kill more than 10 of my Spiderlings in lane without being an AoE champion.

Of course, you can just use Ghouls to zone them from regular cs and if they go for the Ghoul one, it's still a net loss. Like, realistically speaking, you're not killing all of Yorick's ghouls unless you have persistent AoE (Sunfire Cape Renekton to free farm Yorick Ghouls inc) and 5g may still not be worth the time that could be better spent just ... diving Yorick or csing things that actually matter.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

by infinite mana stacking I mean when he gets Tear. Then his mana problems effectively go away.

And tbh I don't consider any top laner more annoying to lane against.

Like maybe when Jayce was strong or Darius was dumber. But even then they were always equal in their annoyance.

Just because Yorick's been nerfed and weak doesn't mean he's not annoying to play against. He's a really stupid, poorly designed champion.

I don't know how you can say any different.

 

[scy]

Just because Yorick's been nerfed and weak doesn't mean he's not annoying to play against. He's a really stupid, poorly designed champion.

It depends on what your definition of annoying is, I suppose. I find Singed more annoying since there's a threat there of losing my tower. Vladimir will eventually get to something in lane if I don't shut him down (multiple times). Nidalee/Jayce just find ways to chip you down and eventually secure the kill without risking their lane position. Teemo is heil Satan.

Yorick is just annoying in this sense of he flings stuff at me that I'd rather bush juke until I can just deal with them sustain-wise. It's like dealing with a lot of Elise Volatile Spiderlings but with less burst.

 

[brian!]

ranked data culled from faulty online overlords from a couple months ago and now
aka the migration of the lazie lazes
plat iz the new gold

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