Mister Negative
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I played a game last night where a Swain went 19/2/5. If he gets fed he's absolutely ridiculous.
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Dreams-Visions
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yep he's one of those few where you can get to a point where you can't kill him without devoting so many resources that the rest of his team will kill you instead.
Mister Wilhelm
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The nexus on TT need a buff to their HP.
Things are fuckin' BRITTLE, man.
Things are fuckin' BRITTLE, man.
Wolf Akela
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250 + 60% AP is just too much. It's weaker than a LOT of basic mage spells.
They should at least keep the ratio and the higher cooldown. Reducing base damage is enough to neuter his lane burst.
They should at least keep the ratio and the higher cooldown. Reducing base damage is enough to neuter his lane burst.
Dreams-Visions
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Going to Korea now
I'll be sure to tell morello to buff Irelia
I'm a fucking idiot and forgot to buy Ogn tickets
bring us back some mementos. like, some starcraft 2 players or something.
they want jungle gragas, im tellin ya
Wolf Akela
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I'm wondering, how does CDR affect E when he hits enemies? Is it a flat -6 seconds, or half of the current cooldown?
SteveWinwood
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is that like japanGoing to Korea now
I'll be sure to tell morello to buff Irelia
I'm a fucking idiot and forgot to buy Ogn tickets
Then pit them against each other in games of lol and Dota
I'm a fucking idiot and forgot to buy Ogn tickets
wtf
Dreams-Visions
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well his lane burst is kept because the lvl 1 ult base damage is the same, and the ratio cut loses you like 20 damage since by level 6 you usually have dorans and maybe chalice.
but yeah later on it's crazy.
like:
ziggs lvl 9 q = 255 + 65%
lux lvl 9 e = 240 + 60%
syndra lvl 9 q = 265 + 70% (against champions)
brand lvl 9 w = 255 + 60% (320 + 75% with passive)
gragas own lvl 9 q = 285 + 90%
like, the aoe is much larger for gragas ult and the displacement is no joke but still it's super a weird number
I'm pretty sure it's calculated after cdr's applied, else it'd be pretty broken. like if you'd had 40% cdr it'd basically work like yasuo's e lol.
Going to Korea now
I'll be sure to tell morello to buff Irelia
I'm a fucking idiot and forgot to buy Ogn tickets
Get him/her to rework Garen while you're at it.
Wolf Akela
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Gragas early level is very strong which is why I love jungling him. I mean he gets a BF Sword lite with Lv1 W. His clears are just amazing.
his numbers don't hurt doe
league is always a numbers game
He's extremely easy to do well with. His kit is very safe, and it's not taxing at all to play him. There's almost zero counter-play to him after lvl 6, and in mid you hit lvl 6 fast.
Sure
He's utter shit right now. His W just doesn't last long enough anymore.
his not utter shit but he's shit in lane.
he can't deal with anyone right now, which makes him pretty easy to feed with
Sounds about right. Just finished a game where he fed Kat.
On that note, how do I help a lane that's feeding as jungler? I was able to contain Kat fairly well later on (started 7-0 but ended something like 9-6), but I couldn't do a thing early on.
TF can be really good if you are in sync with the jungler. The two man ganks can feed you a lot of kills early on.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
He's just too unforgiving now with the changes to his pick-a-card.
I don't play jungle but from a laner's perspective, if I know I'm losing (not 0-7 but like 0-2 maybe or bad matchup?) I like if the jungler comes and just helps me shove the wave and frees me up to do wraith camps or we can go two man gank another lane.
in general the pressure from the jungler showing up and forcing the other laner to play passive while allowing me to get exp even if I share it helps a lot
problem with this usually is that people don't like junglers pushing their waves but people's dumb
when u coming bak
It's not necessarily that it's unforgiving, but the whole act is extremely telegraphed when you can't hold the cards and have to use them right away. He also kind of just loses all trades and doesn't have any short distance mobility.
I try crazy supports sometimes, but even I don't do Nocturne.
I'll definitely try that.
Playing mid right now as Swain, steamrolling a Kha'zix but our ADC is afk ;__;
for feeding lanes
tell them to play safe, try to show up if you anticipate a dive or their jungler (if it makes sense for you to be there), try to show up so their opponents dont just dance on them,
but there are more things on the map besides hopeless lanes who probably dunno where the wards are and you'd probably be more productive doing those things. if you can help a lane that's feeding and also take an objective that's the bomba
tell them to play safe, try to show up if you anticipate a dive or their jungler (if it makes sense for you to be there), try to show up so their opponents dont just dance on them,
but there are more things on the map besides hopeless lanes who probably dunno where the wards are and you'd probably be more productive doing those things. if you can help a lane that's feeding and also take an objective that's the bomba
A feeding mid lane is rough. If there's a feeding top or even bottom lane, I think it's sometimes best as a jungler to almost completely ignore them after a certain point, and just focus on getting your own level as high as possible, and/or helping the other lanes a lot. Plus, if someone is dying a lot they do become worth a bit less gold.
It's justified imo. It's too much for such a perfect equipped top laner.
Wolf Akela
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He loses his identity though. It's one issue I have with League lately.I mean, what's the first thing that pops to mind when someone says Spirit Visage? "Best MR item", not "better heals". Renekton has always been about early game, because he falls off late game. As much as I don't like resourceless champs, his early game gets gutted. Damage-wise late game he falls off even harder, since he trades the massive shred for slows. I haven't computed the difference the altered ratios do though.
Yup, and it's also the fact that they messed up his late game when they were trying to buff it, but Riot commented in there saying they're gonna add more to the PBE for him.
Yep.
Wolf Akela said:
There shouldn't be a best "X" item. Every item should have trade-offs when being selected against the other items within their category. Spirit Visage was - and still is after the nerfs - dominating MR itemization.
No champion should be able to execute a brain dead combo like Renekton and almost always come out on top. Hitting the Q sustain was the nicest thing Riot could do to correct that issue.
no need to be too alarmed for renek fans I guess
I say "too" alarmed because you know, ahri "rework"
for me the worst lane to lose is bot. while you can blow up their adc if you're doing alright, losing bot lane means the other team gets a turret, dragon and now there are two douchebags running around stealing my blue buff and overall ruining my day. and you can't really do all that much because the roaming support warded the whole fucking map so you can't even leave lane without getting counterganked
Eww, I just laned with Katarina against what felt like quite a good micro Cassiopeia. I had never really noticed Cassiopeia doing such high early game damage before, and I probably misplayed it by trying to be tanky, passive, and avoid the damage/run away. Even when I would start fights up by hundreds of HP and with more magic resist, she would typically win. It feels really difficult for me to E with Kat in time to avoid the quick poison splash.
Fortunately the player's name was literally YOLO420SWAGYOLO and they had apparently been bragging all game and/or insulting their teammates, and since my jungler and top laner kept ganking mid I ended up managing to mostly avoid dying until we could do quick gank combos to kill them (even though they warded off and on). Eventually the player basically raged and was like "EVERYONE GET OUT OF MY LANE" and "SCREW THIS I'M GONNA SMOKE UP" or whatever.
So overall, better map presence with ganks and probably a better player, but my team worked better overall so we won.
Fortunately the player's name was literally YOLO420SWAGYOLO and they had apparently been bragging all game and/or insulting their teammates, and since my jungler and top laner kept ganking mid I ended up managing to mostly avoid dying until we could do quick gank combos to kill them (even though they warded off and on). Eventually the player basically raged and was like "EVERYONE GET OUT OF MY LANE" and "SCREW THIS I'M GONNA SMOKE UP" or whatever.
So overall, better map presence with ganks and probably a better player, but my team worked better overall so we won.
what changes were those? TF is still my favorite mid champ. Hi Q poke is good, he can stun, has mana sustain and his ult can win games.
Wolf Akela
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I think I didn't make my point clear enough. Renekton loses his identity of "manaless bruiser who can stop people with better late game from outscaling him". We'll jsut end up with groups of champions that play very similarly, where only the best one gets played. People will just pick other champs that function similarly except better. Ahri and Kassadin were choices for mobile ranged AP assassins. One gets nerfed, other is getting nerfed/reworked, people move on to the next functional AP assassin (Leb). It's rather obvious that Leb will get nerfed.
I think every champion has to have a unique identity of their own that can be written in 1-2 sentences. The direction we're having is that champions start sharing the same identities. Why is it good for all champs to have flat power output across levels? What if every hyper carry gets reworked so they don't have a weak early game or dominating late game? It just makes the champion pool very boring, devolving to 1-3 picks for the same function like what's happening right now.
Reduced the time he can hold a card from 10 seconds to... 4? It also made it difficult to utilize his ult because you have to quickly gate after picking a gold card otherwise it'll fizzle out.
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