They didn't hit her hard at all.
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League of Legends |OT7| She Ezreal To Me, Dammit!
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Honestly there are lots of strong AD carries and you can pick most any of them and do decently. Caitlyn, Corki, Jinx, or Lucian are good alternative picks. I actually think Ashe does decently if you want to play her.
Actually, apart from Trist and Kog being pretty clearly up a tier, the ADC realm seems pretty balanced. Corki, Lucian, Twitch, Jinx, Caitlyn, Ezreal all saw play in week 11.
I agree. Lots of variety happening right now.
I barely know what I'm doing in the jungle, but Skarner is so good right now that I'm totally comfortable taking him and wrecking face. It will never be not funny when you pull someone into your tower on a gank.
People seem to forget one thing. You can stomp kog and trist in lane since they are auto attack and item dependent. It's been like this since season 1 and it's the main reason why they never saw play for almost 2 seasons. If you get even a single lead on these 2 champs in laning phase by hitting some skills on them early on, they almost immediately lose laning phase.
In the era of lucian and the year of triforce bot lane(Graves, Corki, Ezreal), there was absolutely nothing-out-of-meta adcs could do against these mobile burst champs.
It's just no one knows how to trade effectively at bot lane anymore.
I don't know what it is but adcs just do not harass well. It's like adc players have become completely reliant on the support instead of learning how to harass when the enemy is mid-autoing a creep to cs.
It ain't hard people. Bot lane is fine at the moment. The incoming kog nerf is well warranted and the trist E nerf was enough to make her balanced.
People need to learn how to lane instead of complaining about the late game.
It's like i'm taking crazy pills here. no one else thinks this?
In the era of lucian and the year of triforce bot lane(Graves, Corki, Ezreal), there was absolutely nothing-out-of-meta adcs could do against these mobile burst champs.
It's just no one knows how to trade effectively at bot lane anymore.
I don't know what it is but adcs just do not harass well. It's like adc players have become completely reliant on the support instead of learning how to harass when the enemy is mid-autoing a creep to cs.
It ain't hard people. Bot lane is fine at the moment. The incoming kog nerf is well warranted and the trist E nerf was enough to make her balanced.
People need to learn how to lane instead of complaining about the late game.
It's like i'm taking crazy pills here. no one else thinks this?
You understand nothing. Tristana was impossible to trade with last patch with her w, and she still is pretty hard to trade with now. Sure, Kogmaw is easy to harass, but you won't be able to kill him when he's with his favorite late partner -- Nami. The issue is, is that these BT reliant ADCs that would tear Trist and Kog to shreds in lane are gone. Champions like Draven and Varus are good examples. Sustain supports are dominant atm, and even supports that aren't sustain are building items like Targons ie (Thresh). Sure you can deny Trist or Kog like 20cs, but since their kits can rely so much on level (Kog W, Trist Q) they will eventually be fine. Not to mention both of them have ridiculous base stats. The Trist E nerf wasn't enough, to balance out botlane they need to lower the cost of BT.
i don't think adc balance is too bad, i just don't like tristana and never did. you kinda forget about her until she pops up and you remember how shitty she was but you take her out, nerf kog a bit and you're gold
kog is kind of a cool champion tho so i don't want him to disappear completely
anyways, adcs are boring, vi's fun:
kog is kind of a cool champion tho so i don't want him to disappear completely
anyways, adcs are boring, vi's fun:
I didn't say trist was fine last patch. I said she's fine after the E and W nerf.
E is a 80 damage skill level 1.
At max rank it does 250 damage with a 14 second cooldown. E has no ad scaling while every other bread and butter skill for adcs do have an ad scaling. If you're complaining about losing to tristana E in trades then you're not trading well or you screwed up and fell behind in cs to get items.
Why are you talking about tristana W? How does trist W make it hard to trade? Are you vsing people who max it or something? If she uses it, she becomes a target and she disengages. The slow got nerfed too. Only time W is threatening is when you took too much minion damage or disengaged too late and took too much damage.
Don't tell me I know nothing about bot lane when I bloody mained the role for 2+ years and been supporting this season. I'm currently getting back into it and doing very well too. I actually have played kog and trist and know their weaknesses very fuckin well.
E is a 80 damage skill level 1.
At max rank it does 250 damage with a 14 second cooldown. E has no ad scaling while every other bread and butter skill for adcs do have an ad scaling. If you're complaining about losing to tristana E in trades then you're not trading well or you screwed up and fell behind in cs to get items.
Why are you talking about tristana W? How does trist W make it hard to trade? Are you vsing people who max it or something? If she uses it, she becomes a target and she disengages. The slow got nerfed too. Only time W is threatening is when you took too much minion damage or disengaged too late and took too much damage.
Don't tell me I know nothing about bot lane when I bloody mained the role for 2+ years and been supporting this season. I'm currently getting back into it and doing very well too. I actually have played kog and trist and know their weaknesses very fuckin well.
You keep missing the point. Tristana nerfs were a joke because they didn't touch what makes her broken: longest range and fastest AS of the game in late game + assasin jump reset + best ADC disengage. Like how the fuck does giving one of the best disengages in the game to a champion who can twoshot you from outside your view and also jump away make sense.
waifus ruin laifus
so punish her weak early game and dont let it get to late game
it's an inherent weakness in these carries.
don't let vayne outscale you. don't let trist outscale you. don't let kog outscale you. don't let jax outscale you (lol this patch). don't like nasus outscale you.
are you guys asking for a homogenized experience that doesn't allow for risky team comps?
so punish her weak early game and dont let it get to late game
it's an inherent weakness in these carries.
don't let vayne outscale you. don't let trist outscale you. don't let kog outscale you. don't let jax outscale you (lol this patch). don't like nasus outscale you.
are you guys asking for a homogenized experience that doesn't allow for risky team comps?
I'm not sure of what I think of Tristana at the moment. She has always been that really good late game hyper carry with a decent early game, but a terrible mid game since none of her spells scale with AD. While not all adcs might be able to stomp her out of lane, just about anyone should have a stronger mid game. There's a reason many pro players rush Statikk on her and just try to farm mid game and avoid fights.
I think Graves actually work fine to punish Trist in lane, she can't actually do anything when she gets bursted really fast. Trist might need her early slightly nerfed again, but I dunno, I haven't played with/against her enough to judge her strength perfectly.
I think Graves actually work fine to punish Trist in lane, she can't actually do anything when she gets bursted really fast. Trist might need her early slightly nerfed again, but I dunno, I haven't played with/against her enough to judge her strength perfectly.
it hurts me to see you guys fight :<
btw personally i'm all for different power curves and to have low scaling champs like graves and then high scaling champs like jinx and everything in between, i just don't like how high scaling = stupid amounts of safety lategame in trist's case in particular (and to some degree kog and vayne)
jinx is perfect tho
btw personally i'm all for different power curves and to have low scaling champs like graves and then high scaling champs like jinx and everything in between, i just don't like how high scaling = stupid amounts of safety lategame in trist's case in particular (and to some degree kog and vayne)
jinx is perfect tho
She is not risky in lane tho. Like, at all.
how many games do i have to play (having started from scratch) before i stop getting matched with insane people? i think i'm like level 8 or something
the most annoying thing is when people call a lane and then go to some other random lane and leave the one they called empty, or randomly switch lanes after 10 minutes without saying anything because they are having a hard time against the players in the lane they chose.
the most annoying thing is when people call a lane and then go to some other random lane and leave the one they called empty, or randomly switch lanes after 10 minutes without saying anything because they are having a hard time against the players in the lane they chose.
SteveWinwood
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Literally never.
Now you're very specifically talking about what pick supports can do and not AD carries. Even then, I don't think Kog should be underestimated before level six, and with low mana usage on abilities I think it's easy for Kog to keep up in farm even with some zoning. Trying to go in on Kog when he can run stuff like Braum/Ali/Blitz can be a pretty tall task.
Stone Ocean
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If you're using W to farm then you're not looking to harass. And it lasts several seconds, you can both farm and get some autos in.
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First of all, muting livestreams is only a matter of time.
Second of all, the issue here is not Twitch having to follow the law, it's Twitch following the law in the most tyranical and mindless way. Instead of working in things in a case by case manner, their software checks for copyrighted material withing 30 minute blocks, and if it as much as sees a 4 minute song the entire block is muted. Oh and it also searches for the game music itself, Oddone tried streaming with no music and the VOD got muted because of the League in-game songs.
Yeah but you can't discuss bot lane without the support
But if you want to ignore supports;
Kog really thrives on the level 2 and 4 rush over his opponent
He's pretty lackluster at level 1 and 3
He's lackluster at 5 if he lost trades before 5. His level 6 isn't a huge power boost compared to other adcs due to mana cost but its synergy with phage rush is amazing to kite and chase while poking
If he is unable to get level 2 and 4 over his opponent and they engage, kog is stuck at tower until he can recall and buy at least double dorans or a doran-phage
If you want to beat kog, have something with strong poke at level 1, 3 and 5 or something with safe and strong sustained damage.
I can see corki snowballing a lane very hard against kog.
I can see caitlyn abusing the range to bait W, fall back and poke kog out of lane with W on cd.
I can see ezreal winning if he's able dodge Kog Q and E (mostly E so he won't get kited) and move freely to hit Qs and auto
I can see jinx beating kog with rocket poke when kog is trying to farm. Plus jinx at 6 just out right beats kog
Lucian can easily beat kog if he gets the level advantage at 2 and continuously does it.
The strongest thing about kog in laning is his ability to have ADCs and supports in his E and using W to hit them while they are slowed and kited around
But if you want to ignore supports;
Kog really thrives on the level 2 and 4 rush over his opponent
He's pretty lackluster at level 1 and 3
He's lackluster at 5 if he lost trades before 5. His level 6 isn't a huge power boost compared to other adcs due to mana cost but its synergy with phage rush is amazing to kite and chase while poking
If he is unable to get level 2 and 4 over his opponent and they engage, kog is stuck at tower until he can recall and buy at least double dorans or a doran-phage
If you want to beat kog, have something with strong poke at level 1, 3 and 5 or something with safe and strong sustained damage.
I can see corki snowballing a lane very hard against kog.
I can see caitlyn abusing the range to bait W, fall back and poke kog out of lane with W on cd.
I can see ezreal winning if he's able dodge Kog Q and E (mostly E so he won't get kited) and move freely to hit Qs and auto
I can see jinx beating kog with rocket poke when kog is trying to farm. Plus jinx at 6 just out right beats kog
Lucian can easily beat kog if he gets the level advantage at 2 and continuously does it.
The strongest thing about kog in laning is his ability to have ADCs and supports in his E and using W to hit them while they are slowed and kited around
Lol, I missed it. I ended up falling asleep after they talked about Genja for 40 minutes.
Nvm I fell asleep when Edward was saying how he could've gone to Fnatic instead of Curse.
Wow, what a joke.
Stats for diamond bot lane ADC match ups include:
Kog with a strong win rate against Lucian/Trist
Kog with an over 50% win rate against Cait
Kog dumping on Graves/Vayne/Twitch
Kog mutilating Ezreal with a nearly 57% winrate
Kog demolishing Draven
The only AD carries with a good win rate against Kog are Corki and Jinx. This isn't really an issue of people not knowing how to play the role. The openings to shut Kog out just don't exist for most of the matchups.
Kog with a strong win rate against Lucian/Trist
Kog with an over 50% win rate against Cait
Kog dumping on Graves/Vayne/Twitch
Kog mutilating Ezreal with a nearly 57% winrate
Kog demolishing Draven
The only AD carries with a good win rate against Kog are Corki and Jinx. This isn't really an issue of people not knowing how to play the role. The openings to shut Kog out just don't exist for most of the matchups.
Kotetsu534
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There's a reason Tristana and Kog'Maw are in almost every competitive pick/ban phase. Played correctly, they are very safe and outscale everyone else in dps output (Kog'Maw is more dependent on the other champions in the game than Trist, though). The only carry close to them is Corki, because he was unaffected by the BT nerfs (Trinity Force, yo) and can still beat them up in the early to mid game.
Not really, but you can stomp people that are not very good with it.
Tizoc
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Surprisingly we won.
...but this build is a little uh
http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/911465196/205390904
Crab Milk Mickey
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However will Orianna players cope with 6 less base damage.
SteveWinwood
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so would you play a league with no runes and all the heroes unlocked?
That project looks fun.
We get replays and dota players can play the better game without having to be mad at pendragon while playing.
Stone Ocean
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Why the hell not? Fuck runes.
^^
Tizoc
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Least deaths, most kills. Diana came to help me at upper bot inhibitor at one point and was pissed because I 'ks-ed' both vayne and taric.
We lost 2 team fights in a row at one point, later on only Vayne and Taric remained, they took down our nexus turrets but thankfully our inhibitor respawned and saved our ass.
From there we pushed forward, took down fiora, icebird and spiderlady, their inhibitor, and then rushed their turrets. Vayne respawned, I take her down after she kills nasus then me and alistar took down the nexus.
SteveWinwood
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i just assumed there wouldnt be runes
there could be with a nice lua interface im not sure what hes doing though
EU LCS Summer Split Playoffs - Quarterfinals
(3) Supa Hot Crew vs (6) Roccat
Best of 5 Series
Followed by:
EU Challenger Series Summer Playoffs - Third Place Match
Ninjas in Pyjamas vs Unicorns of Love
Best of 5 Series
Approx:
Please use the LCS thread for further discussion. Let's keep this thread spoiler free.
(3) Supa Hot Crew vs (6) Roccat
Best of 5 Series
Followed by:
EU Challenger Series Summer Playoffs - Third Place Match
Ninjas in Pyjamas vs Unicorns of Love
Best of 5 Series
Approx:
Please use the LCS thread for further discussion. Let's keep this thread spoiler free.
I'm too cynical to believe the end of IP for runes wouldn't be shortly preceded by RP for runes.
Any rate, LoL gameplay with DotA2 everything else? Christ, I hope this guys can pull it off.
Sounds cool.
Ghost is Bad
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I would do it.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1484303716/202336775
Just got my first penta!
Kinda helped me forget how bad i've been playing lately including most of that game.
Just got my first penta!
Kinda helped me forget how bad i've been playing lately including most of that game.
Opinion: Freakin' Feral Flare Farming Fools Fail in Fantastically Futile Fashion
By: Jeff Rivera
I'm starting to dabble in jungle for ranked matches and the greatest gift the enemy team can give me is to pick someone who goes for Feral Flare. Last night an Udyr player was trying to farm his FF and it basically gave me free reign to gank lanes and rarely worry about a counter. I still barely know what I'm doing in the jungle, but man, it's sure nice when you know that if you drop down to the bot lane for a visit that the other guy is probably about to smite a wight.
Best of all, I kept a CS lead over him the entire time and was a full two levels up when the team fights started happening.
In conclusion, Feral Flare is dumb (in Silver).
By: Jeff Rivera
I'm starting to dabble in jungle for ranked matches and the greatest gift the enemy team can give me is to pick someone who goes for Feral Flare. Last night an Udyr player was trying to farm his FF and it basically gave me free reign to gank lanes and rarely worry about a counter. I still barely know what I'm doing in the jungle, but man, it's sure nice when you know that if you drop down to the bot lane for a visit that the other guy is probably about to smite a wight.
Best of all, I kept a CS lead over him the entire time and was a full two levels up when the team fights started happening.
In conclusion, Feral Flare is dumb (in Silver).
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