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League of Legends |OT7| She Ezreal To Me, Dammit!
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I always seem to get last pick in my promos
It's a chance to counter, but often you don't get the role you want.
Last pick is my favorite. Why wouldn't you want to know what you're picking into?I always seem to get last pick in my promos
It would be nice in theory but most of the time I end up getting a role i don't want or am not great at.
Vincent Alexander
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All right, Gaf. I'm ready to learn jungling. Hit me with some recommendations on your jungler preference, maybe along with a tip or two how to play? I've never jungled.
Wolf Akela
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What's your level?
Take it as an opportunity to learn those roles. My best roles now are jungle and support. I even go for them as first pick.
Avoid feral flare junglers and stick to junglers with decent clear speed and strong ganking potential to try to snowball your team, get ahead, and demoralize the enemy team.
KiwiLannister
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I'm a gold jungle main so while I'm not a pro I have the basics down pretty well.
So firstly, timers. If you don't know already, the timers are 5,6,7 minutes, for buffs/dragon/baron.
The first decision you make in the game is which buff you start at. There are a few things to think about here.
First is jungle safety. It's always better to get one buff and be alive then get two and live. So if the enemy 5 man invades your blue, you start your red (or preferably invade their blue back but sometimes it's difficult to get adequate help in solo queue). Also worth noting is a very common play is to start red buff, then invade the enemy red buff at level 2, and kill them at the buff. It's for this reason I personally will start red buff in 90% of games. Especially if I'm playing a jungler like Amumu that is particularly vulnerable.
Second is gank paths. Think about what lanes you want to gank early. If you have a Darius top against an enemy Nasus, and you're playing an early game jungler (eve, lee sin, elise, xin) then it's probably a good idea to start on your bottom buff and work your way up there for a level 3 gank.
Next is mana sustain. Some junglers burn through mana when clearing (Pantheon, Olaf, Amumu). In this case you might be tempted to start blue. Lots of people like to do that. Personally I will still usually start red, because you'll still be able to get blue before you go oom anyway.
The next thing is understanding the matchups in each lane, as well as between yourself and the enemy jungler. This should also be taken into account with the pick/ban phase as well: if you have the aforementioned Darius vs Nasus top matchup, you know two things. Firstly, there is a lot of kill pressure that Darius can exert on Nasus. Second, Darius will naturally push the wave. So the smart thing to do is pick someone like Elise or Pantheon that is good at tower dives and you can just kill under tower after level 6.
For champions, the best ones to learn jungling with are:
Amumu
Xin Zhao
Pantheon
Vi
Playing Amumu is a great way to learn how to protect your jungle, because people will try and punish your weak early game. Your strategy should be protect your jungle, farm up as much as you can, and try to obtain vision control. This is important. If you're behind or playing a jungler with weak early pressure (I personally love to play Diana jungle but she's useless early), you can make up for that disparity by getting some good wards in the enemy jungle. Lee Sin is much better than Amumu early, but some well placed wards can ruin some of his ganks and buy you some time to farm up.
Xin and Pantheon are a bit similar. Both have strong early games. They are both great picks for learning the jungle because they have simple mechanics. Xin has better sustain than Pantheon so he's more forgiving to early counter jungling or incidents where you get chunked. He's also not as mana dependent. Pantheon has an okay early clear but he has poor sustain so you don't want to spend much time jungling. When I play pantheon I get my buffs and go around looking for ganks immediately. If played right you can carry games with ease thanks to your global pressure. Xin scales into a better duelist than Panth who is better at getting picks and does more burst damage.
Vi is just a fun, easy to play champion. She scales really hard, has amazing sustain in the jungle thanks to her shield, has very fast clear speeds, and is great in teamfights with her ultimate. But don't copy the pro players, you want to be building tanky after your Elder Lizard unless you're really far ahead.
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Id say start with warwick. His lifesteal is great and that means you can take down the first buff with no help and 1 pot without dying. He is also pretty easy to learn and is cheap.
One other general jungling note (though I'm silver and thus even worse): Ganking is nice, but if you have double buffs, be VERY careful when you gank, especially if you don't have full health.
If you make a bad call with double buffs, and the enemy mid laner / ADC gets them, that can make a huge impact on your team losing that lane, to say nothing of your teammates raging at you. It's almost certainly better not to gank in a risky situation, than to give an enemy double buffs.
If you make a bad call with double buffs, and the enemy mid laner / ADC gets them, that can make a huge impact on your team losing that lane, to say nothing of your teammates raging at you. It's almost certainly better not to gank in a risky situation, than to give an enemy double buffs.
Vincent Alexander
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Thank you, all. I love ya. I'm going to read through and do some practice games tonight.
KiwiLannister
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Even though I also recommended Vi I feel like she's slightly difficult when you first play her.
Her pre-6 ganks require you to land a usually rather telegraphed skillshot, and her damages is all in one burst, and she's very vulnerable after blowing her q. She's also useless at ganking top lane and not particularly good at tower dives without having flash.
I feel like Xin is probably the best all around starting point with Pantheon and Amumu being the next to learn, with Vi after that.
Personally I learned to jungle with Jarvan.
Her pre-6 ganks require you to land a usually rather telegraphed skillshot, and her damages is all in one burst, and she's very vulnerable after blowing her q. She's also useless at ganking top lane and not particularly good at tower dives without having flash.
I feel like Xin is probably the best all around starting point with Pantheon and Amumu being the next to learn, with Vi after that.
Personally I learned to jungle with Jarvan.
BlindSwordsmanZ
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It's down and I am sad
For the last two days, though I have my normal 103 ping like always (used to be lower :'( ), there's been weird extra lag. It makes trying to last-hit torture.
WesternHeretic
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Well the game I was in vanish... no not only from my match history but I think both side had 5 DC.
Terrible Riot.. terrible.
xin has to walk up to gank while vi's give you different points of approach (through baron pit, etc.) and teaches you to be patient, and her level 6 is a lot easier to pull off and also teaches you when to go in or not, even though it is pretty forgiving at lower levels. she has an easy time clearing, an easy time escaping/fighting counterjungling, etc. etc.
shes fine ganking top, esp if you can do it through lane
xin has a good early gank and more complicated potential in his ult
oh like 20 minutes later i feel like i should be more specific and say that xin is not a bad jungler to start with, like while i feel like it can give you bad habits in the long run i dont think it's bad if you haven't jungled before since there are probably a lot more things to learn than the things im saying
Wolf Akela
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Am I the only one who thinks Ahri is in a great spot right now, probably even a tiny bit too strong? I'm doing really great with her and I always get fed. Looking at patch that nerfed her, her damage output is actually higher as long as you hit everything. The recent buffs to Q were pretty massive. I'm addicted to Grail but the mana cost reduction was enough to make me consider Morellonomicon. The damage amp on Charm is pretty long (6 seconds!) and if you had some CDR (DFG + Grail/Morello) you'll almost always have damage amp on someone.
Ghost is Bad
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stealthbomber da god.
The channel lost more than 4,000 views because sneaky was just fucking around with no idea of what to do. Thankfully Hai came to save the day.
pls
Ghost is Bad
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nah man sneaky was doing good twitch doesnt know talent at all.
Ghost is Bad
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Hardest nidalee counter
corki
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Don't get me wrong, I loved it. But I guess people expected something a little more professional coming from Machinima.
I can't speak for bronze players, as I am still 29, and people talk shit all the time, even when they're not on top of the game... Pretty ridiculous. I was also on a Coop vs AI game, to play around with Jinx. Had a Yorick (who went bot with me), Shyvana and Yi all talk shit throughout the game. Shyvana and Yi were level 7, and fed the crap out of the bots. Nobody really poked at them for it yet they became super agressive when we commented how tough the bots at top were... For once, I was scared we couldn't win against bots lol. Just had to push push push o.o
Also in normal games, I've had ADCs that just are eager to blame anything on the support. Don't fall back after spamming pings that Jungle is coming? Blame support. Same goes for people who blame you for losing lane while you jungle, yet they've had no ganks from other jungle either. Just crazy toxicity levels everywhere.
so after playing with some random jerk who was constantly complaining that no one was coming to help when he pinged (he was mid and would ping every time there was more than one enemy hero in the lane) I'm wondering about that..
Is it a good idea to come to help in the early game (like before 20 minutes) if your lane currently has enemy champions? I wouldn't unless the lane is empty or the enemy champions just got killed, because leaving empty while I run back and forth seems like a bad idea.
It seems like the majority of games where we lose there is a lot of running back and forth between lanes because someone is constantly pinging for help, rather than just sticking to your lane. Because all the time spent running back and forth is wasted this seems like a bad idea to me and is part of why we lose, but maybe we are just losing because the players who need to ask for help a lot aren't so good.
I think the match I just played was an extreme example (the guy called us all retarded noobs and said we needed to go play the tutorial because we didn't get to his ping on our mid base tower about 10 seconds after he did it.. meanwhile he was somewhere down our mid lane on his own doing who knows what else), but I'm wondering whether this kind of running back and forth every time your team is in a fight against more heroes is a good idea, at least during the laning phase.
Is it a good idea to come to help in the early game (like before 20 minutes) if your lane currently has enemy champions? I wouldn't unless the lane is empty or the enemy champions just got killed, because leaving empty while I run back and forth seems like a bad idea.
It seems like the majority of games where we lose there is a lot of running back and forth between lanes because someone is constantly pinging for help, rather than just sticking to your lane. Because all the time spent running back and forth is wasted this seems like a bad idea to me and is part of why we lose, but maybe we are just losing because the players who need to ask for help a lot aren't so good.
I think the match I just played was an extreme example (the guy called us all retarded noobs and said we needed to go play the tutorial because we didn't get to his ping on our mid base tower about 10 seconds after he did it.. meanwhile he was somewhere down our mid lane on his own doing who knows what else), but I'm wondering whether this kind of running back and forth every time your team is in a fight against more heroes is a good idea, at least during the laning phase.
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