Mister Negative
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14% max health damage
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The latter, can't recall riot ever not doing it that way.
I mean his W passive (the bonus %HP damage) and his E doing % damage. God damn, that's insane.
I think he'll be Lucian V2. People will find some cheesy shit with him, he'll spend months in the PBE, be nerfed to shit, released, then buffed back to being OP.
Stone Ocean
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He probably gets 60% of whatever the CD of his spell is. So at rank 5 Q catching the boomerang would make the CD be 3 seconds.
PhillipCostigan
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you should really keep your balance opinions to yourself at times mate
Mister Negative
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It seemed like they showcased his transformation over time instead of his transformation upon using an ability.
Why? If you build Bork you'll shred through tanks. Between the % damage, bork active, and the MS bonus, you'll be unstoppable.
I do however like that you can't control the transformation.
Why? People were finding some cheesy shit like 10k damage on Lucian with his ult and he spent months in the PBE until he was released at an underwhelming state.
Also I think Gnar may have an interaction with Garen. At around 1:40 he says something that sounds a lot like "demacia"
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10 damage on his boomerang level 1 with a 20 second cooldown? Is that real? That might be the lowest damaging ability in the game.
I'd start W jungle. He'd be ok with a typical attack speed jungle page. That low damage Q might be a dealbreaker though. 10 damage to first monster, 5 subsequently is nothing
I'd start W jungle. He'd be ok with a typical attack speed jungle page. That low damage Q might be a dealbreaker though. 10 damage to first monster, 5 subsequently is nothing
PhillipCostigan
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none of that Lucian stuff is true. He wasn't nerfed to shit on PBE, they just changed the AP ratio on his ult. He was released in a fine state and was under appreciated, with some quality of life buffs making him see more play.
And first you're calling Gnar Ryze 2.0, now Lucian 2.0
At least wait to see it in action before making balance comments. We don't even know ratios or anything
10 damage on his boomerang level 1 with a 20 second cooldown? Is that real? That might be the lowest damaging ability in the game.
I'd start W jungle. He'd be ok with a typical attack speed jungle page. That low damage Q might be a dealbreaker though. 10 damage to first monster, 5 subsequently is nothing
It has a total AD ratio, and it can hit twice so it's probably not too bad in terms of damage.
Ah, that's good. I thought that would be it, since his abilities only listed one cooldown, but wanted to make sure.
I think overall, Gnar is a relatively well designed champ. His kit may seem overloaded, but he has definitive areas of weakness where he can be exploited, his mini form. If he's too lane dominant as a ranged top, they can make him squishier, if he's stomping everyone in Mega form in teamfights, they can make his bar fill up slower or tone down his damage. I think this is pretty healthy overall, it's not like Thresh or Yasuo where you can't really nerf certain parts of their kit without reworking the ability entirely.
10 damage on his boomerang level 1 with a 20 second cooldown? Is that real? That might be the lowest damaging ability in the game.
I'd start W jungle. He'd be ok with a typical attack speed jungle page. That low damage Q might be a dealbreaker though. 10 damage to first monster, 5 subsequently is nothing
Since his Q is the similar to Sivir's Q, I think Riot just want to lower his wave clear ability at lower levels and mainly use it as a kiting ability if the enemy champ tries to get close to you. Since Mini Gnar might be more on the squishy side from what I understand.
Also, there's this "If Gnar catches his boomerang or picks up his boulder its cooldown is reduced by 60%" but it still depends on you catching the boomerang.
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PhillipCostigan
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the weirder part is that Vi also has that, which is another champ Gypsylord designed :/
Well Vi has that too, but the thing to note on his W passive is that it is magic damage, and from the looks of it, Gnar is going to be played AD Bruiser/tank and won't get mpen items. 14% might be a bit too high, but with some magic resist it'll be a lot less scary.
He's got 400 range and melees have a window of time to get to him (mega gnar).
I dunno. On paper he seems broken as hell. I'll have to play vs him to see for myself.
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Gnar fucking won.
Mini Gnar's Hop is fucking adorable. Holy shit.
Man, I'm so excited for this champ now.
The MS increase on his W passive will work great with BotRK. So build wise, we're looking at Shyvana/Trundle build.
Man, I'm so excited for this champ now.
The MS increase on his W passive will work great with BotRK. So build wise, we're looking at Shyvana/Trundle build.
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Stone Ocean
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Can't wait to see her ult
PhillipCostigan
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PBE is online \o/
Gnar unavailable though, dang, will post impressions when he goes available I guess.
Bonus: Gnar TIPS!
Playing as Gnar:
-Managing your Fury is very important. Try to time out your transformations so you can get maximum benefit from both forms.
-Position yourself next to walls to bait your enemies into getting stunned by your ultimate.
-Know your strengths! Little Gnar is fast, squishy, and has high sustained damage. Big Gnar is slow, tough, and has high burst.
Playing Against Gnar:
-Gnar can't gain rage for 10 seconds after he turns from big to little. Use this chance to engage on his team.
-Gnar's animations and resource bar change as he gets closer to transforming.
-Gnar's ultimate stuns if he hits you into a wall. Be careful when fighting him near one.
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yeah seems like the store is down
The next patch coming out will have changes to over 30 champions.
* All of Gnar's cooldowns are really high! 20 second Boomerang (so even if you catch it it's lousy poke early) and 18 second Hop. He's going to be incredibly vulnerable if he whiffs his escapes. Worth noting that Hop is also his AS steroid, so in order to burst he'll have to blow his escape offensively.
* 14% max health damage is pretty strong, but every third attack means it's basically 4.5%, which is way less impressive. In lane you'll probably want to do something like AA->Q->AA and retreat quickly for your poke, which will do a pretty sizable chunk. Like Trist, he'll use E to go in for a kill, but unlike Trist he won't get a reset if he gets it, so he'll be more vulnerable.
* Unclear as to whether you get to chain Hops repeatedly if you keep landing on guys. This is actually kind of a risky mechanic since you presumably don't get control back until you're done hopping.
* Melee AoE Condemn is a fun-sounding idea. With good mechanics you could hard carry whole games with this sucker. I want to see how quickly you can go from Crunch into GNAR.
Looks like Gnar mostly scales with AD and AS, gets a lot of free slows and movement bonuses, and really wants cooldown reduction. I'm guessing Black Cleaver and BorK?
* 14% max health damage is pretty strong, but every third attack means it's basically 4.5%, which is way less impressive. In lane you'll probably want to do something like AA->Q->AA and retreat quickly for your poke, which will do a pretty sizable chunk. Like Trist, he'll use E to go in for a kill, but unlike Trist he won't get a reset if he gets it, so he'll be more vulnerable.
* Unclear as to whether you get to chain Hops repeatedly if you keep landing on guys. This is actually kind of a risky mechanic since you presumably don't get control back until you're done hopping.
* Melee AoE Condemn is a fun-sounding idea. With good mechanics you could hard carry whole games with this sucker. I want to see how quickly you can go from Crunch into GNAR.
Looks like Gnar mostly scales with AD and AS, gets a lot of free slows and movement bonuses, and really wants cooldown reduction. I'm guessing Black Cleaver and BorK?
To be fair, mobility creep has already progressed to a point where new champions who don't have some form of mobility have a really hard time making up for it. I'd like to list Vel'Koz, who does quite a bit of damage, some true damage to boot, but he's not really played mid as he was designed because he's really immobile.
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Gnar's range is 430
Still higher than Urgot
Stone Ocean
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Holy shit, MF's ult and her W.
And Kayle with the stun baton.
And Kayle with the stun baton.
Gnar ADC would be really interesting because Hulking out would frequently be a disadvantage for you.
By interesting you mean trash, right.
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