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Left 4 Dead 2 |OT| The South Rises Again
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OmegaDragon said:Yeah that's going to be funBefore or after the elevator?
I think both are going to be fun.
MMaRsu said:Oh right
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379971
Red Scarlet
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TheOneGuy said:
Well that was just the most extreme examples I can think of for keeping the frag rounds..they own witches from a distance (very useful on that upgraded witch mod..on that it is VERY VERY hard to get her before she is chasing someone..she is up and running within 1 second of her spotting you) and when they can repel a charger from running everyone into a wall to get 59 damage done via a spit, that is quite the counter/strategy to hold on to those frag rounds instead of a kit. In general on vs they are also great for pissing off the infected side since they get juggled around and that annoying beeeeeeeeeep death sound. I just own myself with them on expert too much so I tend to stay away from them on the closed area maps.
Right, that's what I'm saying. By removing those options from the game, you are removing perfectly valid strategies from the game. For the sake of... what, exactly? Balance? Balls.
And they only last one full clip; it's not like you can use them forever.
Didn't know they could repel a charger mid-charge, though. That's pretty dumb. Charger in general has far too many limiters already what with stupid five-inches-too-tall blades of grass, etc.
And they only last one full clip; it's not like you can use them forever.
Didn't know they could repel a charger mid-charge, though. That's pretty dumb. Charger in general has far too many limiters already what with stupid five-inches-too-tall blades of grass, etc.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I'm looking to get some matches on Left 4 Dead 2 (either version)
It's been a little tough organising versus matches on Eurogamer, so I have come to the promised land of Neogaf.
I've neglected this game recently, too much university work.
It's been a little tough organising versus matches on Eurogamer, so I have come to the promised land of Neogaf.
I've neglected this game recently, too much university work.
recently got this game (360 version). I enjoyed the first one. I honestly feel let down in this one.
Pros:
+ More weapons
+ Melee weapons are nice
+ New special infected and uncommon infected as well as old special infected
Cons:
- Human AI seems dumbed down in my playthroughs. Used to AI would grab extra healhpacks on their own. In my playthroughs so far, unless they are in the red they ignore the healthpacks.
- Human AI wont grab defib units
- Human AI still wont grab Molotovs or Pipebombs or the new Boomer Bile
- Human AI wont grab pills or adrenaline half the time
- Human AI seems designed to camp and be slow in responding compared to first one
: example: The Roller Coaster track. I understand that I'm the human, I need to lead the way, but there was waay too much, stop and camp a part of the track for 5 minutes no matter how much I try to force them to move up by running ahead. Cant sit there forever in those types of situations, they are designed to be rushed through from what I can tell. (Several cues from the AI to go silence the racket, yet they wont move :lol )
Versus is still cool. Havent tried realism yet, but I hear its a bitch.
Pros:
+ More weapons
+ Melee weapons are nice
+ New special infected and uncommon infected as well as old special infected
Cons:
- Human AI seems dumbed down in my playthroughs. Used to AI would grab extra healhpacks on their own. In my playthroughs so far, unless they are in the red they ignore the healthpacks.
- Human AI wont grab defib units
- Human AI still wont grab Molotovs or Pipebombs or the new Boomer Bile
- Human AI wont grab pills or adrenaline half the time
- Human AI seems designed to camp and be slow in responding compared to first one
: example: The Roller Coaster track. I understand that I'm the human, I need to lead the way, but there was waay too much, stop and camp a part of the track for 5 minutes no matter how much I try to force them to move up by running ahead. Cant sit there forever in those types of situations, they are designed to be rushed through from what I can tell. (Several cues from the AI to go silence the racket, yet they wont move :lol )
Versus is still cool. Havent tried realism yet, but I hear its a bitch.
SundaySounds
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Ganhyun said:
Make new friends?
The first time I got the game, I played through DC on single player. I struggled through that campaign,... on EASY. I can't believe you had the patience to play through other campaigns in single player! Compared to L4D, L4D2 definitely requires more co-op, stay-togetherness, and communication.Ganhyun said:
Go play some online multiplayer! Even if you end up in a game with some terrible players :lol
Special ammo is removed because it gives the team going second as survivors an advantage :/
Not my fault no one is capable of arguing with me.
Kits are removed on my server because you don't need them on most maps. It would just turn into who gets more infected damage with kits. With no kits, it's both who gets the farthest and deals more infected damage if teams do manage to make it.
notsol337 said:
Not my fault no one is capable of arguing with me.
And not my fault you guys fall for such stupid and obvious troll comments so easily :/
Remfin said:
Kits are removed on my server because you don't need them on most maps. It would just turn into who gets more infected damage with kits. With no kits, it's both who gets the farthest and deals more infected damage if teams do manage to make it.
How so?vertopci said:
More like no one feels like stooping to your low level of intelligence.
They're also far more douchy than any of my trolls have ever been. And you only troll when people challenge your SRS BSNS versus philosophy. It's kind of sad.
At least I try to keep things fun!!
Red Scarlet
Member
vertopci said:
Well, for maps like Hard Rain 2, it's not really an advantage of who goes first if they use it as an elevator counter.
Funny thing I saw yesterday..a match on Dead Center 1..both teams did a death charge to a player in the exact same spot. The other 3 people made it to the safe room. Both dead players got the same score, and so did each team. The 'tie breaker' did not occur.
RustyNails
Member
Hello Gaf. How do I get in on some of L4D2 action here? Is there a steamgroup for gaf? I bring with me about 1,053 hours of L4D and around 150 hours of L4D2 so I hope I'm not really bad compared to you guys
TheOneGuy said:
The team going first has to decide whether they want to keep the special ammo or not without knowing what is going to occur. The second team knows exactly when a tank or witch will spawn so they know whether to pick up the ammo or leave it. They don't have to guess at whether picking it up is a good move or not.
RocketDarkness
Member
I thought there weren't medkits, so the medkit slot would be available anyways...?vertopci said:
RocketDarkness
Member
But as Red said, special ammo is terrible most of the time. You'd only really want it for specific danger zones anyways...TheOneGuy said:
Hence why I think it's stupid to complain about it.RocketDarkness said:
There are lots of things I can understand changing, even if I don't agree with it, such as medkits. They do tend to slow down the game, and a speedier game might appeal to many. People like different experiences. Some people are all SRS BSNS, and others are not.
But this?
I guess some people think balancing things means removing them entirely. It's not a new phenomenon in SRS BSNS gaming, but it is one that has always baffled me.
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TheOneGuy said:
These items don't make the game fun for us. That is why we remove them.
Lostconfused
Member
Which is weird.Stallion Free said:
Red Scarlet
Member
RustyNails said:Hello Gaf. How do I get in on some of L4D2 action here? Is there a steamgroup for gaf? I bring with me about 1,053 hours of L4D and around 150 hours of L4D2 so I hope I'm not really bad compared to you guys
Yes, there's a steam group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GAF-L4D
You can also post in this thread and if you are looking for certain people here to add to your list, add them from here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379901
RocketDarkness
Member
Hence, danger zones.vertopci said:
Stallion Free
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TheOneGuy said:
Well I paid for the game, so I can butcher it as I please. That's why I play on PC. And seeing as that we have a group that plays that same butchered game almost nightly, I'm certainly not the only one.
Don't believe I've ever said you weren't allowed. The fuck do I look like, lord of all gaming? Fuck no. If people want to have fun by playing entirely different games than what they were given, that's their prerogative.Stallion Free said:
Just don't be a fucking elitist dick about it.
Red Scarlet
Member
He wasn't, but you are.
Sorry about my ping spikes, those first 1.5 rounds were pretty crazy. My internet is going at half speed for some reason.
At least I HPB'd this.
Sorry about my ping spikes, those first 1.5 rounds were pretty crazy. My internet is going at half speed for some reason.
At least I HPB'd this.
vultureparade
Member
I always thought the game was designed to give the second team to play survivors a slight advantage since they are the team behind in points.
The second team also knows exactly where witches and tanks spawn, so why aren't tanks and witches removed?
It sucks that people who want to play in tournaments now have to deal with a bunch of unofficial tweaks that greatly change the gameplay. Maybe I would be more understanding if so many of these changes weren't terrible.
On a related note, I'd love it if there was a way to select "unofficial dedicated servers not crippled by horrible mods" when playing a versus game.
marvelharvey
Member
I agree with most of those cevo changes, but I'd have preferred a single melee weapon in the saferoom for one player and there being a small chance of a health kit/defib unit off of the beaten path, to encourage a little exploring. Either way, I'm looking forward to the tank on Dead Center 1.
The changes, some good some bad.
For.
Common zombies will despawn if they fall behind survivors (and respawn in front)
Tank temporary immunity after spawn
AI tank will be frozen, will not throw rocks, and will have godmode
Player tank will have fire immunity and godmode for 2 seconds
No more prelights or getting rushed by melee cause tank was rock throwing!
Medkit/pill adjustments
Director pills are completely removed
All medkits (except the saferoom ones) are converted to pills
Against.
Tanks will spawn on every map (even maps that don't allow it)
No Defibs
No Grenade launcher
No Chainsaw
No Explosive/Incendiary Ammo
No Laser upgrade
I think all these items should be in, if the teams willing to look for them, more risky but the rewards suffice for finding them but keep in mind no duplicates, one item of each is the limit.
Also having a tank each round is just not the way it should be played, sure at the start its good then it becomes mundane with "Tank time" and if you mess up its like "oh don't worry we still got 4 more goes" of being the tank, the Tank just loses its edge and makes the game less risky with more times to pull a victory back, well thats my take on the tank encounters.
For.
Common zombies will despawn if they fall behind survivors (and respawn in front)
Tank temporary immunity after spawn
AI tank will be frozen, will not throw rocks, and will have godmode
Player tank will have fire immunity and godmode for 2 seconds
No more prelights or getting rushed by melee cause tank was rock throwing!
Medkit/pill adjustments
Director pills are completely removed
All medkits (except the saferoom ones) are converted to pills
Against.
Tanks will spawn on every map (even maps that don't allow it)
No Defibs
No Grenade launcher
No Chainsaw
No Explosive/Incendiary Ammo
No Laser upgrade
I think all these items should be in, if the teams willing to look for them, more risky but the rewards suffice for finding them but keep in mind no duplicates, one item of each is the limit.
Also having a tank each round is just not the way it should be played, sure at the start its good then it becomes mundane with "Tank time" and if you mess up its like "oh don't worry we still got 4 more goes" of being the tank, the Tank just loses its edge and makes the game less risky with more times to pull a victory back, well thats my take on the tank encounters.
vultureparade said:
First off, why should one team get an advantage? Giving one team an advantage is stupid in every way.
On the flip side of the tank and witch spawns, the second team playing infected also know about the tank and witch spawns allowing them to set up for it. So it evens out more or less.
Also how does it suck that people who want to play in tourneys have to deal with the mods? They are the exact people who want these changes. In fact these changes are tested by them and approved by them.
And if you're going to call these changes terrible back them up with an argument or don't say anything because otherwise you look like someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
vertopci said:
I would have played in the tourneys if it wasn't for the mods.
Also, your posts are really fun to read. It's pretty much the embodiment of a stuck up jerk telling people to fuck off if they don't like something, and insulting their intelligence regardless. Likely because that is how they read, regardless of whether or not you mean it that way. If you do mean it that way, then congrats! You're awesome at speaking.
I only recently upgraded my PC to be able to play modern games, so I haven't gotten into L4D2 yet (playing Batman first). I have a possibly silly question, though.
On the PC version, can you set up the controls so that you could use the 360 pad for movement and a mouse for aiming?
I don't have a pc headset either. Is it possible to somehow use the 360 one through a 360 controller?
Thanks.
On the PC version, can you set up the controls so that you could use the 360 pad for movement and a mouse for aiming?
I don't have a pc headset either. Is it possible to somehow use the 360 one through a 360 controller?
Thanks.
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2&2 said:
If you can wait about ~12 hours I will be able to test this out for you.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
I made a thread on the official steam forums about putting in new achievements for l4d2:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1098149
I'm all out of ideas now.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1098149
I'm all out of ideas now.
Red Scarlet
Member
I was mashing the 'score' button and updating how many points they needed. Paul really liked you guys he said, and would love to play with us again (Conceptor is a member of the GAF vs group, but he isn't a poster; he met me through zombie mod CS, then vert and co through L4D).
Here's the .dem files, Sanjay: http://redscarlet.paragonsigma.com/L4D/011910vsSF.zip
That log really hurt.
But I did kill you right before, so...
Here's the .dem files, Sanjay: http://redscarlet.paragonsigma.com/L4D/011910vsSF.zip
That log really hurt.
But I did kill you right before, so...
So, I don't know if it's considered legit, but I faced a team today on the Motel Scavenge map that would lob a bomb into the billboard while still in the safe zone and it would blow all of the gas cans right down to the pool area. Basically spotting them 3 free easy points every round, they didn't turn yellow either, so yea. I hope it doesn't catch on, we still beat them pretty easily, but it's annoying.