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I can't image a non-contrived reason why Korra wouldn't and shouldn't kill Ozai. There was literally no benefit to leaving him alive and the only reason was a mix of kids show/Aangs relatively pacifist upbringing
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I can't image a non-contrived reason why Korra wouldn't and shouldn't kill Ozai. There was literally no benefit to leaving him alive and the only reason was a mix of kids show/Aangs relatively pacifist upbringing
I still don't get why people take issue with Aang not killing Ozai. Because realistically, I still think it was partly a decision driven by the Kids rating for the show. I know with Korra they've gotten a lot darker and have now allowed direct killing from our main characters, but Korra was always aimed at teens on up. I dunno. ATLA as mature as it was, was largely a show aimed at really young kids.
I understand thematically (in terms of pay off), why people are let down by it. But I'm still okay with it given the limitations they had (my only gripe is how they introduced the solution in the finale. I think that should have been done better).
I understand thematically (in terms of pay off), why people are let down by it. But I'm still okay with it given the limitations they had (my only gripe is how they introduced the solution in the finale. I think that should have been done better).
I agree, that was my biggest problem. Energybending had no buildup so after all that buildup of Aang having to make a choice we don't even get to see it, it's "lol i can just steel urs fiyah" levels of stupidity.
Although the resolution scene after that was so damn good I'm willing to overlook it. I just wish we saw more of it in Korra or got a better explanation. We were told it existed in the era before benders but Wan didn't really show any of that.
Admiral Woofington
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All Wan showed us is that the Avatar was created by being a tree loving hippie who got super powers by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Lion turtles. He was the Chosen Wan.
Thats not true, he had a spiritual battle with a kite. THATS why he became the avatar.
I didn't mind the exposition of the Avatar but it did take away from some of the mystique and wonder.
Also S4 should end with Korra uniting with vaatu. New series will star new avatar dealing with inner demons because they have both raava and vaatu in them.
I didn't mind the exposition of the Avatar but it did take away from some of the mystique and wonder.
Also S4 should end with Korra uniting with vaatu. New series will star new avatar dealing with inner demons because they have both raava and vaatu in them.
While it being a kids show probably played into why Nick accepted the way it went down, I have issue with those that say there is no reason why Ozai should have been allowed to live. Because he's a human being. Not a very good one, sure, but people presume that the killing of another human being is something they can just...do and go out for lunch afterwards, as long as the person your depriving of life is a 'bad guy'. It doesn't work that way. There are ways to desensitize yourself to murder of another human being, but none of them are a process you want to go through. One of the reasons TLA is as powerful as it is is that it makes a stand for the value of ALL human life, and what the act of taking it means not just to the person who you take it from, but the person who takes it away.
And I don't like the implication that the show is lesser, or that it would have 'obviously' had Ozai killed if it were for adults, as if that's obviously the right answer that is inaccessible merely due to the audience TLA was designed for. True, if TLA was allowed to get away with it, it'd probably have more deaths in the show, but sparing Ozai is one thing I like to believe would have been kept in, because that, if nothing else, is the core tenant of the show and it seems to me a far more mature one than going down the easy path of dehumanizing a person so you can kill him without qualms.
And I don't like the implication that the show is lesser, or that it would have 'obviously' had Ozai killed if it were for adults, as if that's obviously the right answer that is inaccessible merely due to the audience TLA was designed for. True, if TLA was allowed to get away with it, it'd probably have more deaths in the show, but sparing Ozai is one thing I like to believe would have been kept in, because that, if nothing else, is the core tenant of the show and it seems to me a far more mature one than going down the easy path of dehumanizing a person so you can kill him without qualms.
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I think Aang taking away Ozai's bending made perfect sense. Ozai would have been absolutely revered in Fire Nation society, for the most part. He had completed the hundred-year quest to fulfil the national dream of conquering the Earth Kingdom, expanded the territories of the Fire Nation, and was an exceptionally talented bender. If the Avatar were to kill him... that's 'taking sides', so to speak. How do you repair the situation after that? You think the Fire Nation is just going to pack up their toys and go home? No - they have Ozai's brilliantly gifted daughter Azula, a clear successor; and what's more Ozai will now be a martyr. There can be no peace when the Avatar has the blood of the Fire Nation's greatest on his hands.
Equally, Ozai can't just be captured. As long as he's alive, there will be loyalists. Look at the real life example of the White Army after the October Revolution in Russia - monarchists continued to fight even after the Tsar and his family were taken into Bolshevik custody and the situation was de facto irreparable. The only way you can reach any resolution to the kind of war that the Four Kingdoms had been involved in is to 'defang' Ozai. The Fire Nation is intensely militaristic, and the concept of being lead by someone incapable of bending is anathema to them - one of the reasons Ozai was so disappointed by young Zuko. If you keep Ozai alive, he's not a martyr, but if you remove his bending, he can't lead. It's a destruction of the very psyche that powers the Fire Nation. When that is combined with Zuko's defeat of Azula, Zuko at last becomes a credible successor figure - a firebender capable of, as far as the Fire Nation knows, defeating the exceptionally gifted Azula, but with enough of the old lineage to be accepted particularly as Ozai is still alive and his father, giving Zuko an air of the prodigal son. None of this happens if Aang kills Ozai - the situation would probably have become much worse and taken much longer to resolve.
My only regret is a) how none of this was really shown to the viewer, and b) how light-hearted removing someone's bending is perceived.
Equally, Ozai can't just be captured. As long as he's alive, there will be loyalists. Look at the real life example of the White Army after the October Revolution in Russia - monarchists continued to fight even after the Tsar and his family were taken into Bolshevik custody and the situation was de facto irreparable. The only way you can reach any resolution to the kind of war that the Four Kingdoms had been involved in is to 'defang' Ozai. The Fire Nation is intensely militaristic, and the concept of being lead by someone incapable of bending is anathema to them - one of the reasons Ozai was so disappointed by young Zuko. If you keep Ozai alive, he's not a martyr, but if you remove his bending, he can't lead. It's a destruction of the very psyche that powers the Fire Nation. When that is combined with Zuko's defeat of Azula, Zuko at last becomes a credible successor figure - a firebender capable of, as far as the Fire Nation knows, defeating the exceptionally gifted Azula, but with enough of the old lineage to be accepted particularly as Ozai is still alive and his father, giving Zuko an air of the prodigal son. None of this happens if Aang kills Ozai - the situation would probably have become much worse and taken much longer to resolve.
My only regret is a) how none of this was really shown to the viewer, and b) how light-hearted removing someone's bending is perceived.
I honestly don't believe that all the time, perhaps I watched too many other shows, but sometimes people just have to be eliminated. Unless you think characters like Dio or others villains from different media deserve to live?
Of course Ozai had such little time on screen it was hard to hate him simply due to the fact that he are told the horrible things he's done rather than shown. (Outside of Scarring Zuko)
Honestly, if a character is a threat after being defeated they need to be eliminated. Fist of the North Star shows us how badly showing mercy for the sake of mercy can be to the characters.
season 4 is not only possible, but may have already happened.
They probably own the merchandise rights, but for the show itself, they're stuck with Nick until they've made however many seasons they signed up for. If Nick decides to drop the franchise, they'll more than likely be picked up by someone else, hopefully someone who knows how to handle that kind of show. Honestly, does the other stuff that they put on that channel (excluding Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents) have a larger viewership than Legend of Korra?
If I remember correctly, they initially only wanted this to be a miniseries with just one season and that's why everything was wrapped up by the end of season 1.
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Book 3 is $12.99 in HD on Amazon instant video right now. I know it's all on Nick.com, but just in case anyone wanted to have it in their library.
Uh yeah. Season 4 is already paid for, and deep into production by this point. It's 100% coming out.
Nick definitely owns it. The fact is, Nick doesn't want to make programs that are more adult oriented. So the Avatar verse (as is) doesn't fit the direction the channel is going. But the Avatar IP is still worth a lot of money (especially later down the line). Nick has a history of not selling IPs, and sitting on them. But because Avatar is such a popular IP around the world, it's possible that other networks will try to approach them to buy it (with a good offer).
Nick could either take them up on this and pocket some good change (since as I said, the Avatar world as is, doesn't line up with the direction the channel is going demographic wise)....or they could just sit on it, and eventually make more spin off shows that are more aimed at younger kids (think a more dumbed down version of the show. Like the reboot of Teen Titans but in the Avatar universe).
EVEN if Nick does sell the rights to Avatar, I can't imagine it would happen in the next 5 years. Let alone, I don't think the creators want to jump back in to anything Avatar related for the time being. They've been wanting to start a new show for a while now. So I imagine the next 5-8 years for them will be trying to start a new series all together. So the odds of us getting anything after Korra within 5 years, is IMO very slim to none.
Thanks for this! I've been meaning to get into Korra for a while now.
I watched it. In the finale Korra goes back in time and kills Wan by his umbilical cord to stop any of this from happening. I'm thinking Bryke had to keep upping the fucked up deaths in a kids show but they may have gone too far with this one.
The worst part was when they spend literally an entire episode showing nothing but Bolin bleeding to death on a sidewalk in Repulic City.
I hate Bolin focused episodes.
Admiral Woofington
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Liked the Bolin focused episode more than I did any of the Korra ones in the first half of season 2 I'll tell you that much.
why did you have to remind me that teen titan's go exists @_@
also as for more avatar... I figure if we get anymore in the next 5 years after korra season 4, it will be with movie adaptions of the comic books. I figure the main reason they would be reluctant to adapt the comic books though is the fact that they would likely need to recast a lot of the characters and it's unlikely fans of avatar would be happy with that.
Hehe, harsh.
Well, I am still bummed out by the ending, because the creators were screwed over, getting only half of the season they were promised, ending the show on a melancholic note. I know they worked with the issue of Terra in the comics, but at the time the show ran, it was a downer ending for Beast Boy.
The biggest band of bad guys was defeated, the world once again saved and the Titans of the entire world still united. But on a personal level the Titans lost: they were away for so long fighting evil, they hardly recognize their city and Beast Boy's love of his life returns unexpectedly, but doesn't recognize him and tells him, even after a sweet day that she don't want to be with him.
I wouldn't rule out an animated movie or series of movies about Aang or Korra in the pipelines, like those DC Animated Universe Original Movies. In fact, remember this from 2012?
That article also mentioned an upcoming Sponge Bob movie that did pan out (the new one that's coming out). The rumors forced Bryan to comment of the possible movie:
They've definitely contemplated that possibility, and now with Book 4 production wrapping up soon (i.e. in a couple of months) Paramount will no doubt approach them (or maybe already have) about a movie.
That article also mentioned an upcoming Sponge Bob movie that did pan out (the new one that's coming out). The rumors forced Bryan to comment of the possible movie:
They've definitely contemplated that possibility, and now with Book 4 production wrapping up soon (i.e. in a couple of months) Paramount will no doubt approach them (or maybe already have) about a movie.
I would definitely rule it out. They don't want to show the series itself on television, and you think they're going to make a movie for it? You crazy.
I would love to see a korra movie just to see that movie budget animation. But with how Nick has been treating the show I don't really see why they would go and give $60 millions to a show which they barely seem to care about.
Spongebob is understandable since it makes up almost half of the programming at the moment and is still relatively big for Nick.
Wow. Korra has been humbled. Hopefully there'll be some character growth that sticks... I'll be pissed if she just goes back to being a belligerent ass. She was fairly reasonable this season, but it felt like it came out of nowhere. Then again this was the best season, and it focused a lot on other characters.
Hmmmm. Not sure.
I think most fans of the series agreed to easily with the idea that Nick "hates" the Avatar franchise and that is what happened with Book 3, or that they "don't care about." There is the very real possibility that, just like Bryan and Mike have said, Korra is a very valuable franchise for Nick but it suddenly didn't have a space in the overall Nickelodeon strategy for TV.
But that doesn't mean it devalues the franchise, far from it. Especially not Paramount, which has the movie rights for Avatar, both live-action and animated.
Byran and Mike have been clear about they didn't like in Nick's handling of Korra, especially Book 3 with the scheduling. They didn't appreciate how Nick sometimes seems oblivious to how different the Avatar series is from the rest of their productions, but never have they complained that Nick devalues the franchise. Far from it. Nick knows that ATLA is a huge hit online and in syndication (Bryan and Mike talked about this in their first Nerdist interview from last week) and most likely have plans for syndicating ATLA and Korra together as a single programing block about the Avatar series, especially now that they have 100 episodes, more than enough for constant syndication.
What I'm saying is, both Nickelodeon and Paramount obviously know they have a great property with Avatar, and in face of what Disney, Warner Bros. and now Dreamworks is doing with tv and directo-to-video animation (and in the big screen even), I won't be surprised Paramount, Nickelodeon or Viacom in general look for ways to get into that game as well.
now for some reason I am imagining a series of live action movies covering adult aang's life... which when announced would excite us all and then we would look and see
cast as aang and realize that they are just going to cast currently popular actors and it likely will feel nothing like avatar....
but alas I should be in bed right now so perhaps I should just pretend this thought is a horrible nightmare lol.
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avatar animated films akin to something like dc does with it's universe would be pretty great. it's ripe for fleshing out even further.
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Man, I would love some movie adaptations of the comics. Would be great. Although as others have said, I kind of don't see Nick shelling out the money for it given where they are at with it right now.
Icyflamez96
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I wonder how Korra's kids would be like.
She would adopt some adorable little orphans.
Well first who would be her husband. I'm sure she'll be a great parent if she does have kids as she's definitely matured a lot as a character since the start of Book 2.
Better not be Mako
Admiral Woofington
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Korra is gonna end up with some random male character and have kids. They haven't established an attraction between her and anybody else so too late for now.
And no korrasami won't happen.
And no korrasami won't happen.
Admiral Woofington
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Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up together again. Especially since they interviewed the VA and he said that his feelings for Korra are much greater than his feelings for Asami.
As long as Opal sticks with Bolin I'll be happy. I mean if Suki and Sokka can work so can Bolin and Opal.
I dunno they've been been pushing the Makorra thing quite a bit in the latter half of Book 3 with all those extended hugs between Korra and Mako.
We all know it'll be Amorra that wins in the end.
Admiral Woofington
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Korrasami won't happen because Korra won't just sporadically realize she's into girls.
Icyflamez96
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The VA's arent the writers though,
Not saying it wont happen.
Man I really think MakoXKorra would have been a very interesting couple, but I just can't bring myself to like it now for obvious reasons.
Not saying it wont happen.
Man I really think MakoXKorra would have been a very interesting couple, but I just can't bring myself to like it now for obvious reasons.
Not like that's ever stopped the shipping fandom.
Admiral Woofington
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No but they certainly know more about their characters from both being them, already having some book 4 ideas, and discussions with the creators/writers. They probably have a better idea of what to expect than we do don't they?
I wish we had a show about shipping wars. We put a bunch of crazy fan girls and boys on battleships, and make them battle it out to determine who wins. It'll be bloody.
You sunk my battle shipping!
It certainly won't stop me.
Korra has no viable, acceptable partner as of now. Asami would be the next choice, since the Bolin train crashed and the Mako train has left for good. A lesbian relationship would be fairly interesting and the two characters could have good chemistry.
I actually hope this happens, simply due to the fact that the characters as well as the viewers should be focusing on more than who is going to get laid.
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She and Asami realize they're into both girls and boys, because teenagers and stuff. Then they make out and everyone's happy Mako stays alone.
It certainly won't stop me.
Korra has no viable, acceptable partner as of now. Asami would be the next choice, since the Bolin train crashed and the Mako train has left for good. A lesbian relationship would be fairly interesting and the two characters could have good chemistry.
Yeah its a much better alternative to Mako at the moment even if I doubt it'll happen. Has Nick or Cartoon Network ever shown off a Same-sex relationship in one of their shows before?
Are they still frightened at the mere mention of it.
Still I suppose a shipper/person can always dream.
I think there are no such examples for children shows, especially not with the main character. But then again, I can't either remember a children's show that ended a season with the main character crying in a wheel chair and killing a character so visibly painful like the Queen or Ming-Hua. Korra could again set new benchmarks, especially with Nick stopping to care what they actually show.
Icyflamez96
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They have a better idea, sure, but I wouldn't really take anything they said as confirmation.
Again i'm not saying it wont happen.
Again i'm not saying it wont happen.
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