Legend of Korra Book 3: Change |OT| SCHEDULEBENDING
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TacticalFox88
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I do wonder something genuinely.
Do the writers (regardless if we're talking about TLA or LoK) actually sit down and consciously be aware of the subtext and implications we discuss here?
Like when writing dialogue or certain scenes they have a Veelk, Azula, like long verbal discussion of the character development and whatnot.
Do the writers (regardless if we're talking about TLA or LoK) actually sit down and consciously be aware of the subtext and implications we discuss here?
Like when writing dialogue or certain scenes they have a Veelk, Azula, like long verbal discussion of the character development and whatnot.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Doubtful, or they'd stop trying to make Makorra a thing
I think they do. Whether you like it or not, the show is really carefully written with the lore being deep and well entrenched in ancient Eastern culture and myth, which takes a lot of effort in and of itself to embody that respectfully and entertainingly. I would like to think they put in the same amount of effort into character motivations and little quirks that imply one thing or another. Bryke seem to be creators that are very aware of their fanbase and probably hear most criticisms across Tumblr and Avatar forums.
So it is quite confusing why they fucked up so badly with Book 2. Book 1 and Book 3 were pretty good, but the misstep with Book 2 really disenchanted a lot of their fanbase.
Oh? a skype chat for korraGaf would be fun.
We still need participants. SO, anyone is free to sign up. Just PM me that you are interested, and what days work best for you (schedule wise). I think getting people on the same schedule will be the hardest thing to do. So we might have to rotate people out depending on that (well assuming we even get more than what we need to even do a single poodcast lol).
I'm down! Would we just talking about Korra or are we going to be watching all the episodes at the same time too?
I would love to hear about the uncensored "nick are amazing and helps us with everything" no pulled punches development schedule of Korra.
From S1 turning from a 5 minute short to a full (half) season, book 2 being a clusterfuck that took a year+ to release and book 3 getting screwed by the network with book 4 dropping out of nowhere...it would be super fascinating to know what went down.
Especially book 2 which took way to long to come out and was poor in every way imaginable to the point where even the creators admit that they had no idea what Jinora vs Kaiju was about.
Korra development must have ben toxic as hell.
From S1 turning from a 5 minute short to a full (half) season, book 2 being a clusterfuck that took a year+ to release and book 3 getting screwed by the network with book 4 dropping out of nowhere...it would be super fascinating to know what went down.
Especially book 2 which took way to long to come out and was poor in every way imaginable to the point where even the creators admit that they had no idea what Jinora vs Kaiju was about.
Korra development must have ben toxic as hell.
We could branch out and talk about ATLA too I suppose. I guess we need to decide on a format. Like, is it going to be loose? I think at its core, it should probably be based on the episode of Korra that has just aired (so we'll do it after the episode is put up online, and everyone in the podcast has seen it).
So I imagine the priority of the podcast will be to the current episode aired, and maybe some talk about the series in general (where it's going, or where we want it go. Criticisms or compliments. Theories. Whatever). Then I guess it's up to you guys if you want to extend it beyond that. I would just say, no one wants to listen to a 1 hour + podcast full of people rambling. So while I'm cool with a loose format, probably need to reign it in somewhat though regardless what we decide.
I suppose, I'll try to get as many participants I can. Once I get PMs from people telling me they are interested, I'll start PMing everyone that is interested, try to get a consensus on a schedule. And then I'll ask them about the format etc.
How pro is this going to be too? I have no mic.
I'm not sure about the general format for podcasts for television shows, but I think it would probably good if it was something like: initial impressions for anyone who wants to go first, then one by one we talk about what we liked, then one by one we criticize. Or vice versa. Then theory time.
How pro is this going to be too? I have no mic.
I'm not sure about the general format for podcasts for television shows, but I think it would probably good if it was something like: initial impressions for anyone who wants to go first, then one by one we talk about what we liked, then one by one we criticize. Or vice versa. Then theory time.
I don't think it will be too Pro. Unless someone wants to step up and lead it (for that perspective). But I have a very basic mic, and don't have professional equipment lol. I'm pretty much game for anything tbh. If it happens, cool. If it doesn't, that's cool too. Basically, as long as some people are willing to do it, I'll be down. As far as like what the format is, or the quality, I guess that is something that is kind of tentative based on how it plays out.
Yeah I'm down for a KorraGaf Skype thing.
Well the closest thing we've got to that at this point is the recent Nerdist Writers Panel Podcast that Bryan and Mike were on.
You can really tell by the tone of their voices just how disappointed they are with how Book 3 was treated by Nick. They also talk a little bit about how much of a disaster the live action ATLA film was.
But yeah it would be interesting seeing a full account from them once the show is over about the difficulties of making and airing Korra.
Cloud Strife
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Same here.
Septimus Prime
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Yeah, it really humanizes her and raises the stakes of her and Zuko's final showdown. Without that episode, she would just be yet another personification of evil, like Unalaq.
A bit premature without Book 4, but would you have liked a Korra with a more interwoven narrative a la TLA? One where Amon was a recurring threat and we first learned of Zaheer in season 1 (sans bending). None of this one book one story stuff, but decompressing the narrative greatly.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Well when it's in fear of being cancelled/not renewed every season they have to make the season's somewhat standalone
I'm saying outside of that only for a story perspective.
Yes, that would've been really neat. Although I understand why the show is such a mess with its seasons. If they could plan a four season show from the start zhey could've Unalaq helping with treats, establishing both his spirituality, Korras friendly position with him and his ambition. The Anti bender movement couldve grown with every arc when benders wrecked shit and Vatuuh couldve been the last and threatning boss.
And generally more exploration of the characters instead of constanly pushing the plot.
When writing it? That's doubtful. After? Perhaps.
The really wierd thing about writing is that it's like any other skill. You'd think it would be a very concious, structural process where there is a lot of thought put into how a scene should play out before it's even done, but truthfully, that's not how it happens to writers who do it for a living, or even as an expansive hobby.
In cognitive psychology, there are 2 levels of processing. Level 2 is your reasoning, where you are conciously working through some kind of problem and paying attention to every step of the process. Level 1 is intuitive processing, where you do things intelligently, rationally, but without thinking about it. The most universal example I can think of is driving, since the vast majority of people do it. Do you remember how, when you first started out driving, you consciously check all the required tasks like a list. Check both mirrors, check mirror, pay attention to speedometer, use signal lights, etc. But as you drive more and more, you stop paying attention to these things, yet continue to do them. You only really become concious that you look in the mirror when something out of place is in it. Your level 2 processing has become level 1.
This applies to just about any skill, provided enough practice, and writing is no exception. In fact, it often happens to me in this very thread. If anyone remembers that post I made defending Aang's decision to spare Ozai? I sat down wriitng it expecting it only to be one or two paragraphs. By the time I finished it, I was surprised when I looked up to see 2 hours had passed since I wrote it. I wasn't really thinking about what I was doing, I was just putting one word after another. Afterwards, I went reviewed it and made some changes, which was my level 2 processing complimenting my level 1, but the largest chunks and ideas of that post, I could have been asleep while writing it. Several authors describe this phenomon, where they don't understand where the flow of the narrative they are putting down on a keyboard is coming from, but something obviously is happening. It is the figurative muse that so often pervades writing.
I guess this only obstensively answers your question which is to say: I don't really know, because the really stupid thing about this that it's perfectly possible that they did not give any of TLA a much thought at all, and just wrote down whatever came to their heads, and we just got really really lucky that they were possessed by a muse at the time. Or they could have been as meticulous in analysis as we are. Same thing with LoK. It could just as easily be the result of them just going at it, but this time just not being lucky, or they could have put thought into it, and it just came out shit anyway because they're not good at their jobs.
Speaking of, I have been working on a rebuttal/thesis in google doc since I read that post. I didn't forget/ignore it. Veelk, we coming for you.
I may or may not reply. That was weeks ago, and I got school nowadays. The time has passed and the iron has long since stopped being hot.
Yeah, all writers work differently. I'm just talking about scientific findings. Because intuitive processing is fucking wierd, man. It literally works as if you have another conciousness in your brain that you aren't aware of.
There was an experiment where a dot randomly appeared on a computer screen. At first, people had a bad time predicting where the dot would go, because it's random. But as time passed, people became more accurate as they went along, getting up to 70% accuracy. They didn't report any strategy for guessing the appearance, it just seemed like luck. But then they changed the algorithm for the randomly appearing dot, so it used a different system of generating the random location the dot would appear. People's accuracy immediately dropped to the rate at the start, and they had no idea why they could no longer accurately predict the dot.
But it's present in everything we do that we become familiar with. It's really frikken wierd. So they may or may not have double checked TLA/LoK with level 2 or not, but it really just depends on the quality of processing, not the type.
They seem to be basically doing this in retrospect. They made Unaloq a member of the Red Lotus and it seems pretty likely they'll play a largish part in Book 4, probably the main villains.
I wouldn't even be surprised if Korra meets the big boss of the RL and he reveals that they were involved with the Equalists as well. We never did find out how Amon learnt to take away people's bending or why he decided to rid the world of it.
yes
honestly, amon could have carried the show for a few books, had they done it correctly. he could have been red lotus, could have joined with vaatu and become ~dark avatar~ etc
Icyflamez96
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Just imagine if Korra started out with friendly versions of Zaheer and Ghazan instead of Mako and Bolin getting frustrated with Korras personality and turn ultimately against her to protect the world themselves. P'li could join along the way when Ghazan and Korra seek for a third member for pro bending, since Zaheer is unable to do so. And Ming Hua at a random point. We could have two nice romances, Ghazan being easy going and funny wihtout being the buttmonkey, Zaheer constantly quoting Guru Lahima as solution for everything, etc!
I guess I don't understand the point of this comic when we're going to find out the real reason she cuts her hair in the new season. At least with most fan art and comics I can see that they might take place sometime else and fit into headcanon.
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Atraveller
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Put some highlight funny moments on youtube afterwards.Oh? a skype chat for korraGaf would be fun.
Lord_Byron28
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Really the only season/book that falls apart on cohesiveness is the jump from book 1 to book 2. I would've kept Amon's backstory with Tarrlok. Except instead of Amon using bloodbending he mentions he was mentored by someone he met at the north pole and he got his powers from the spirits. Meaning he was Unalaq's apprentice. Amon also mentions unbalance and unrest in the spirit world and that the spirits are getting more dangerous. Amon still has the same motivations he just got powers from the spirits and Unalaq is making orders behind the scenes. Zaheer and crew is only briefly mentioned throughout the season. Jinora starts showing off her spiritual prowess by seeing spirits and playing with them. Amon takes away Korra's bending towards the end of the season. To restore her bending her and Jinora travel to the spirit world. The episode plays out similarly to Korra and Jinora's first travel through the spirit world. Korra when lost in the woods gets advice from a mysterious meditating man who quotes a lot of airbending gurus he gives her a piece of advice/quote that she will later remember and help her airbend for the first time. The rest of the trip goes pretty similar to Korra and Jinora's first trip with Iroh except Jinora doesn't get kidnapped. When Korra gets to the top of the mountain she taps into her avatar state and speaks to Aang allowing her to use energybending. Jinora and Korra return to the physical world with most everyone taken out and their bending taken away. Korra has recovered her ability to bend and with the advice of Zaheer she airbends. Korra defeats Amon and uses energybending to take away Amon's abilities. Amon flees the scene. Amon and Tarrlok suicide scene still happens.
Book 2 is pretty different. Unalaq isnt so obviously evil. Korra doesn't regress and while still has a lot to learn and still acts out from time to time she isnt anything like S2 Korra. Unalaq actually does mentor Korra in some spiritual things and explains to her that the spirit world is in distress and as harmonic convergence approaches they will increasingly get more violent and that opening the spirit world will help the world grow. Korra opens one portal like she did early on in S2. Unalaq provides many good points as to why the spirit portals should remain open and how both worlds would flourish and better off. Meanwhile Mako has his detective side story as he does in S2 (except without making Lin stupid). Mako eventually uncovers a corruption plot and that a lot of the cops in the force are crooked and are bribed by Varrick. Asami on the other hand while having her business deal with Varrick she also pursues technology to help non-benders and runs a self defense training class for non-benders. After the events of Amon, Korra had worked with Republic City in getting more representation in the council for non-benders and as a non-bender herself, Asami took an interest in helping other non-benders defend themselves. She even gets Bumi help her out from time to time and provide help. One or two of her students play very minor roles in the final battle. Bolin has mostly the same role as he did before. The civil war aspect still does occur but it isnt nearly as one sided initially. Korra uses her past lives for Aang for advice on how to deal with the civil war. Similar events occur with republic city refusing to help and Varrick drumming up controversy over it. However one major dark spirit attacks the southern water tribe forces. Korra fights it off but gets knocked out. She washes up on the shores of that island and beginnings happens all over again. Mako, Bolin and Asami still have a big plot/battle with Varrick as they uncover and stop his corruption/influence be for it takes over nearly the entire city. The show also takes more time and has a similar showcase on Tenzin's family but is better spent. Instead of making it seem like Aang was a bad father prioritizing Tenzin over the others. Also Katara does have a bit more of a role in the family plot and the civil war aspect since she is alive and important. Towards the end Korra and Jinora do make another trip to the spirit world to try and close the portal. The meditating man who quotes airbending gurus(Zaheer obviously) that Korra met last season appears again and tells Korra that while Unalaq may be underhanded and corrupt but that Vaatu represents freedom and isnt inherently evil and brings a necessary balance to the world and that the spirit portals should remain open. He also points Korra and Jinora to the library for more info. They do get info but Jinora gets kidnapped like what happened in S2. Similar events happen to the end of S2 minus laser battles and Jinora magic. Iroh also helps out and fights in the battle helping save Jinora. Jinora and Iroh also help Korra find Raava reborn after she gets killed.
Book 3 plays out mostly the same except Korra recognizes Zaheer and there is more philosophical arguments. Also one of Asami's students becomes an airbender.
Spring-Loaded
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Can't wait for an appropriate time to post this
Icyflamez96
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Yep....
animate these comics instead plz
animate these comics instead plz
Nah some Chibi shorts centred on LOK would be quite nice as the ATLA ones were pretty enjoyable.
That way we can have both.
Special Mako avatar from Book 2's shitty production.
That's not real.
Damn, it's not? Someone just shrunk his eyes....
This is real though right?
EDIT: Hmm that picture was also originated with the one you say is fake. Always thought it was real and were inbetween shots (like pictures of animation in motion). But I guess it was all lies, and I never knew.
I feel betrayed.
So they are real? Just in between frames?
Cloud Strife
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Damn, it's not? Someone just shrunk his eyes....
This is real though right?
EDIT: Hmm that picture was also originated with the one you say is fake. Always thought it was real and were inbetween shots (like pictures of animation in motion). But I guess it was all lies, and I never knew.
I feel betrayed.
LOL
Admiral Woofington
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We got a badass over here!
You'd think that's an in between but all the frames in that particular shot have pretty shoddy drawings which means it doesn't make much of a difference whether it was an in between or not because the key frames are also kind of ass.
Rather jarring when the previous shot has some fairly decent Masahiro Sato animation .
Dreadnought
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It is real actually
Hmm...are you sure?
I was always told they were real. If I recall they were posted screenshots of the episode after it aired. Fans weren't happy with studio Pierrots work on Book 2 and were taking a bunch of screen grabs to show how sloppy their art direction was. And I remember these two were apart of that.
But i was just posting it in jest as a friend had brought them up again.
Yep straight shot from the episode. Its not that bad in motion as its only about 1 second in total. I'd say Iroh's new face in that episode is the real highlight of the episode dude looks like he's having a seizure when he's talking to korra.
Spring-Loaded
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Admiral Woofington
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I think that's genuinely the only time I teared up in Avatar or Korra.
Iroh is still the best character in the whole series. So much depth, so badass, hilarious, a really interesting backstory. Everything.
I know what you are saying, but art direction is the wrong term considering Bryan Konietzko is the art director.
Yep straight shot from the episode. Its not that bad in motion as its only about 1 second in total. I'd say Iroh's new face in that episode is the real highlight of the episode dude looks like he's having a seizure when he's talking to korra.
Even Studio Mir in Book 1 had a brief case of a shoddy looking frame. No where near as bad as book 2 stuff of course.
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