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ive never been attached to aang but he has his moments of brilliance
that is definitely one of them

The slow down in that one is too jarring for me.

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Later half of season 2 (dai li) and the entirety of season 3 is just the best avatar has to offer.

Especially this guy

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I mean Aang had moves. But this guy. This guy knew what was up.


We just got past Sokka's sword episode. If only he had actually gotten to be a badass with it, but kids tv I guess.

Man I love how Katara's and Aang's relationship has evolved so much. See their relationship really was a natural progression into romance which is amazing. Instead of Korra's "I like you. Ok we are dating now. I tire of you. Leave me be! But come back after I tire of other girl"

And Bolin's recently only in the 'we are now dating for some reason' part. Maybe they won't get to the other part, considering they'll probably want to give him a break since romance sucks for him.
 
if jinora cant do that combustion blast block thing then she doesnt get her tattoos

and if tenzin cant do it then skin him because he doesnt deserve his either
 
If ATLA is anything like anime, once more time has passed and assuming it continues to have a decent size fanbase they'll maybe edit it to HD and release in like whatever replaces blu-ray.
 
I'd kill for that kind of subtle character progression in Korra. Aang went from running from Zuko gasping and panicking to facing down someone who explodes things with his mind like it's his day job.

And they don't even call much attention to it, you just accept it as part of the character growing from his continued training, maturing, and experience. Korra progressing that much would earn at least twenty lines of dialogue from Tenzin alone about how proud he is of her (and then her becoming more brash because of it, therefore setting her back to be beaten again so she can learn again and become more brash again).
 
Verrick fuckin kills me.

"Great question Asami. I mean, what are any of us doing here? Wow, food for thought."

/dead

His delivery is always spot on.
 
Been going back through this thread trying to get the general consensus on the show and, unsurprisingly it's more negative than mine. No big deal though, that seems to be true of most things for me on GAF.

Anyways, after finishing Season 2 today and finding it entertaining yet absolutely all over the place, I've decided that Season 1 is definitely much better... no surprises there. What I don't get is the dislike for the last few episodes in Season 1. Maybe I need to go back and re-watch but I was pretty floored by Korra getting her bending taken away and was legitimately concerned with whether or not she'd get it back. Additionally, seeing the lines of benders being disposed by Amon was pretty heavy stuff, along with the way him and his brother went out. I don't know, I thought it was all pretty well done and was laced with a good amount of intrigue, but it looks like not a lot of people were fans so I'm trying to gauge why.

Keep in mind I'm a pretty casual fan of the franchise, just interested to hear why.

I think season one had the potential to be one of Avatar's best seasons yet but, at least to me, it seems like the writers wanted to raise the stakes without going through with the consequences; instead, all of the permanence was removed with a poorly explained Aang appearance. Granted, it is a kid's show, so having all those benders losing the ability to bend would have been quite dark, but the show has already gone into darker places. That also would have been a perfect place to start the journey -- Korra coming to grips with having no bending, and her mission to regain the ability while helping others cope with the loss of theirs. A spirit world trip would have actually made a ton of sense as well, which would have been a great starting point for a season 2.
 
Aang was always a boss.

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If ATLA is anything like anime, once more time has passed and assuming it continues to have a decent size fanbase they'll maybe edit it to HD and release in like whatever replaces blu-ray.

Wouldn't they have to compensate for all the missing animation though? Unless you're fine with it staying 4:3, which at that point would just be an upscale. Other than that, they'll have to re-produce/reanimate the whole show again, I believe.

Regardless, an upscale would be much better than the not so great DVD versions we got.
 
Verrick fuckin kills me.

"Great question Asami. I mean, what are any of us doing here? Wow, food for thought."

/dead

His delivery is always spot on.

Yeah Varrick was easily the best new character introduced in Book 2
His lines always have me in stitches
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Aang was always a boss.

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Wouldn't they have to compensate for all the missing animation though? Unless you're fine with it staying 4:3, which at that point would just be an upscale. Other than that, they'll have to re-produce/reanimate the whole show again, I believe.

Regardless, an upscale would be much better than the not so great DVD versions we got.
you know Aang seemed a lot more powerful when he was taking on the volcano that he normally does.
 
I'd kill for that kind of subtle character progression in Korra. Aang went from running from Zuko gasping and panicking to facing down someone who explodes things with his mind like it's his day job.

And they don't even call much attention to it, you just accept it as part of the character growing from his continued training, maturing, and experience. Korra progressing that much would earn at least twenty lines of dialogue from Tenzin alone about how proud he is of her (and then her becoming more brash because of it, therefore setting her back to be beaten again so she can learn again and become more brash again).

I keep seeing these comments but I must be missing something. Yes, it was true for S2 but S3 Korra has been fine as far as I can tell. She has improved significantly as a character and they have been writing her a lot better. Tenzin on the other hand is like S2 Korra bad. He had some issues that developed in S2 and have since gotten ridiculous in S3. Also ATLA had plenty of times where the dialogue was quite heavy handed with character development at times and often times the character would turn around the next episode and reverting back to said behavior.

Anyway, I've loved most of this season. Episode 2 and 7 were meh but everything else was great. Episode 6 was fairly interesting with Korra and Bolin learning Metal Bending and Opal headed to train for airbending. Episode 7 was pretty pointless though. All it beat in was Tenzin is a poor leader who is socially awkward. Really enjoyed the scene between Tenzin and Pema though even if nothing was accomplished. I wish the episode had focused more on the new airbenders than on Tenzin being Tenzin. At the end of the day though we're over half way through the season and got our first filler-ish episode which isn't bad considering seasons prior in both shows. It had a very ATLA feel to it especially with the random villain of the day thing. However, I wish something more substantial had arisen out of this. This season has been interesting because it seems to be a lot more focused on world building(fleshing out Bolin, Mako, Asami, Tenzin and his extended family and Lin's family) and the main plot has taken a slight backseat. Curious of what direction episode 8 takes Korra and the crew since Lin will be watching over the kids and the villains are still tracking her down and we've yet to figure out their motivation.
 
Bolin didn't learn metal bending though. Korra did. And that's my issue. In ATLA Aang needed all the help he could get from his masters-of-their-domain buddies. Katara and Zuko weren't the best at their respective bending but they were high up there. Toph was just beast mode. But the point I'm trying to make is that all of these characters were really useful and could stand their own in a battle, even against some of the enemies Aang would have to face. Freaking Katara could take on Azula ffs.

In Korra so far we have her doing like fucking everything when it doesn't involve run-of-the-mill baddies. With her maybe we have Mako as a decent firebender, but Bolin hasn't done shit. In fact season 2 was entirely the Korra show, cause when Bolin and Mako faced the twins (or whoever they faced) they once again get defeated. In fact Bolin especially hasn't had a chance to demonstrate whether he's decent at earthbending in combat while Mako has shown he's decent at firebending. And the one chance they had to see if Bolin could go further as a character they instead decided to make Korra even more special. What's the point of them coming along? They made a Sokka character who could earthbend and once again they just make him the butt of the jokes.
 
I keep seeing these comments but I must be missing something. Yes, it was true for S2 but S3 Korra has been fine as far as I can tell. She has improved significantly as a character and they have been writing her a lot better. Tenzin on the other hand is like S2 Korra bad. He had some issues that developed in S2 and have since gotten ridiculous in S3. Also ATLA had plenty of times where the dialogue was quite heavy handed with character development at times and often times the character would turn around the next episode and reverting back to said behavior.

Anyway, I've loved most of this season. Episode 2 and 7 were meh but everything else was great. Episode 6 was fairly interesting with Korra and Bolin learning Metal Bending and Opal headed to train for airbending. Episode 7 was pretty pointless though. All it beat in was Tenzin is a poor leader who is socially awkward. Really enjoyed the scene between Tenzin and Pema though even if nothing was accomplished. I wish the episode had focused more on the new airbenders than on Tenzin being Tenzin. At the end of the day though we're over half way through the season and got our first filler-ish episode which isn't bad considering seasons prior in both shows. It had a very ATLA feel to it especially with the random villain of the day thing. However, I wish something more substantial had arisen out of this. This season has been interesting because it seems to be a lot more focused on world building(fleshing out Bolin, Mako, Asami, Tenzin and his extended family and Lin's family) and the main plot has taken a slight backseat. Curious of what direction episode 8 takes Korra and the crew since Lin will be watching over the kids and the villains are still tracking her down and we've yet to figure out their motivation.

Agreed completely.

I will say that I do not care if the overarching plot moves much in the next few episodes. The 'ATLA feel' has been going strong the entire season and I do not want it to stop.

I want 3 - 4 more episodes of the Krew just goofing around.
 
Actually it feels less like Korra is improving as a character and more like she was just out of the spotlight largely since episode 2 or so
 
Bolin didn't learn metal bending though. Korra did. And that's my issue. In ATLA Aang needed all the help he could get from his masters-of-their-domain buddies. Katara and Zuko weren't the best at their respective bending but they were high up there. Toph was just beast mode. But the point I'm trying to make is that all of these characters were really useful and could stand their own in a battle, even against some of the enemies Aang would have to face. Freaking Katara could take on Azula ffs.

In Korra so far we have her doing like fucking everything when it doesn't involve run-of-the-mill baddies. With her maybe we have Mako as a decent firebender, but Bolin hasn't done shit. In fact season 2 was entirely the Korra show, cause when Bolin and Mako faced the twins (or whoever they faced) they once again get defeated. In fact Bolin especially hasn't had a chance to demonstrate whether he's decent at earthbending in combat while Mako has shown he's decent at firebending. And the one chance they had to see if Bolin could go further as a character they instead decided to make Korra even more special. What's the point of them coming along?

In terms of fighting ability, the Krew is very imbalanced.

Mako and Bolin are obviously capable fighters, but anything more than a gang of mooks is going to outclass them. Lin is easily the more capable earthbender + has metal bending, so she makes Bolin redundant if he wasn't already by Korra. Tenzin is supposed to be a good airbender, but you know how that goes.

Asami contributes to the team, but mostly in moneybending. In terms of combat, she can obviously handle herself, but I think that scene where Korra and Asami fought off a biker gang says it all. There were like 20-30 of them, and Asami electrocuted 2 or 3, while Korra took care of the rest.

Korra is an all around power house. I don't mean just in terms of bending, but also the fact that Korra has the approximate torso strength of a silver back gorilla. And with bending, see seems atleasxt as good if not better than either Mako or Bolin are, baring that Mako can lightning bend and she can't (but it's not like he ever did anything particularly useful with it anyway). Korra hasn't shown to be super good with Airbending, but really, neither has Tenzin. She's easily the most capable fighter as a whole. And then you bring in the avatar state into it that she can control completely...there really is no point to anyone besides Asami and Naga on the team.
 
In regards to Toph being Police Chief, I can see it happening this way:

- Teaches metal bending.
- Metal benders make good cops.
- Asked to be a cop in Republic City.
- Inventor of metal bending and massive celebrity means she's put at the top instantly.
- Accepts the role as the person at the top doesn't get told what to do.
- Spends decades doing this job out of inertia, not so much any particular love for it or sense of duty.

On an unrelated note, am I the only one who really wanted Zuko to learn to use his failure to lightning bend as his own specialized bending (i.e. his projectile explosions that happened when he couldn't make lightning. Kind of like SSBM and Zaheer's girlfriend, but without the third eye or waves).
 
The Tale of Momo pretty much made me cry. That was some emotional stuff man. I dont think I'll ever care for any of the characters in Korra the same way I did in ATLA.

Season 3 is definitely a huge step up. I've enjoyed every episode so far.

You'll be interested to know that the script coordinator for Korra Book 3 is the one of the writers for the Tales of Ba Sing Se and other Book 2 greats, Katie Mattila. She wrote "Old Wounds", Espisode 6.
 
lol I'm going to use the term 'moneybending' now thanks for that. But agreed it's extremely imbalanced. At this point it's too late to have them get better I guess unless season 4 has a decent time skip where everybody went to train on their respective bending in the meantime. And sure Lin is better, but so was the watertribe guy who taught Katara and Azula, but we never see him again and the other was an enemy. Lin can be better since she's not part of the korra krew.
 
Bolin didn't learn metal bending though. Korra did. And that's my issue. In ATLA Aang needed all the help he could get from his masters-of-their-domain buddies. Katara and Zuko weren't the best at their respective bending but they were high up there. Toph was just beast mode. But the point I'm trying to make is that all of these characters were really useful and could stand their own in a battle, even against some of the enemies Aang would have to face. Freaking Katara could take on Azula ffs.

In Korra so far we have her doing like fucking everything when it doesn't involve run-of-the-mill baddies. With her maybe we have Mako as a decent firebender, but Bolin hasn't done shit. In fact season 2 was entirely the Korra show, cause when Bolin and Mako faced the twins (or whoever they faced) they once again get defeated. In fact Bolin especially hasn't had a chance to demonstrate whether he's decent at earthbending in combat while Mako has shown he's decent at firebending. And the one chance they had to see if Bolin could go further as a character they instead decided to make Korra even more special. What's the point of them coming along? They made a Sokka character who could earthbend and once again they just make him the butt of the jokes.
Hey now, Bolin had an entire episode in season 2 dedicated to him being a badass at fighting. It was probably my favorite fight of the season.
 
Been going back through this thread trying to get the general consensus on the show and, unsurprisingly it's more negative than mine. No big deal though, that seems to be true of most things for me on GAF.

Anyways, after finishing Season 2 today and finding it entertaining yet absolutely all over the place, I've decided that Season 1 is definitely much better... no surprises there. What I don't get is the dislike for the last few episodes in Season 1. Maybe I need to go back and re-watch but I was pretty floored by Korra getting her bending taken away and was legitimately concerned with whether or not she'd get it back. Additionally, seeing the lines of benders being disposed by Amon was pretty heavy stuff, along with the way him and his brother went out. I don't know, I thought it was all pretty well done and was laced with a good amount of intrigue, but it looks like not a lot of people were fans so I'm trying to gauge why.

Keep in mind I'm a pretty casual fan of the franchise, just interested to hear why.
Last minute reveal that Amon is just the gangster's son and is causing trouble for "reasons"

Korra randomly being able to airbend despite her never actually getting into the mentality of what it means to be an airbender. You have one episode at the start of the season and thats it. They just stop. Oh they say she's practicing and learned all the forms but she's still not getting it. So what made her finally get it? She literally just air kicks the villain out the window out of nowhere

The equalist plot being completely thrown out as soon as amon is revealed to be a fake. Season 2 is the main culprit but you can see from that reveal scene that even then everyone just stops what theyre doing.

Tenzin and the other airbenders being caught just to create forced drama and completely invalidates Lins sacrifice

The lack of consequences or character growth for any of the good guys the entire season. What did Korra even learn in the season? What did anyone learn? She started off as a hot head who was trying to learn patience and in the end she is still the same. Her plan to expose Amon was beyond stupid. She loses her bending and five minutes later she gets it back.

The weird romance between Mako and Korra. Mako doesnt even give the courtesy of breaking up with Asami and the whole thing with the cheating is completely ignored because Korra x Mako 4ever.

The complete uselessness of Bolin to the plot. What benefit did he serve aside from poor comic relief?

Korra gets complete control over the avatar state without any work when we are told that gaining control is an extensive process.
 
Hey now, Bolin had an entire episode in season 2 dedicated to him being a badass at fighting. It was probably my favorite fight of the season.

what episode is this? Where he saves the theater or something like that? Wasn't that entirely like low-tier baddies I can't even remember.


edit: yeah the whole control to the avatar state thing bothers me. I don't want to say "mary sue" because it's unfair to the character but her whole character is that she's a child prodigy and everything she touches is gold. But she has a temper? That's her bad character trait in seasons 1 and 2? It's like somebody who writes the perfect character but gives them a trait like "really stubborn and hates the night" and expects everybody to be cool because that's a flaw lol. I don't mind her in season 3 but Aang had to go to a hippie to learn how to control the avatar state, and even then he didn't do it because it required too much sacrifice. Korra cheated her way through because reasons.
 
Hmm..

I must be alone in that I like The Legend of Korra because it makes me think of DOCTOR WHO.

I look at The Legend of Korra as a natural extension of the storyline in the ATLA/LOK universe. We grew up on the old series of Doctors and now we're in the new Moffat series. The writing is awkward at points and it doesn't always hit on all cylinders. But when it does, those moments are brilliant.

There are episodes where the Doctor is eye rolling bad in how he is written. There are companions who are absolute shit.

But then we get brilliant episodes and brilliant moments. We sometimes get Donna as a companion. (Not first time you see her Donna, but the times after that.)

I'm just enjoying it and hoping they're building up Kai to be a
Jet style character who breaks Jinora's heart by dying in her arms or something.

Also, I'm still waiting for
the Koh The Face Stealer shoe to drop. C'mon guys. Make it so! I mean, we saw The Mother of Faces in the comics. I want to see that in the series. I loved the stuff in the Spirit World in season 2. I want more spirit world here. Also, The Red Lotus. But yeah. Anyone concerned about the lack of backstory and "changes" to the characters should READ THE COMICS. C'Mon. Fans of Gargoyles had to watch our series completed in comic form. It's okay to also partake of the comics.
 
lol I'm going to use the term 'moneybending' now thanks for that. But agreed it's extremely imbalanced. At this point it's too late to have them get better I guess unless season 4 has a decent time skip where everybody went to train on their respective bending in the meantime. And sure Lin is better, but so was the watertribe guy who taught Katara and Azula, but we never see him again and the other was an enemy. Lin can be better since she's not part of the korra krew.

I consider Lin part of the Krew, atleast part time, since she shows up and plays a role with them pretty much every season. I am not sure who you mean if they taught both Katara and Azula, but if you mean Pakku, he served as a mentor for 2 episodes out of 60 and never interacted with the Gaang again, even if he participated in the war on a different front. He wasn't part of the team.

The real problem is that the Krew was overinflated before it even began. Like, look at this rundown:

Aang, Katara and Sokka set out and are the main cast for the first season and a half. Zuko is also a focal point character, but since he plays the role of the antagonist, he's not part of the Gaang despite being part of the story. They go around the world, meeting a LOT of characters, including ones that will show up and join the Gaang later, but for now, they are episodic appearances. Lets count only the characters that both showed up in recurring episodes AND had a major impact on the overall storyline.

So, we have a total of 5 main characters, roughly speaking: Aang, Sokka, Katara vs Zuko and Iroh. Later in season 1 we also get Zhao who is the enemy of both the Gaang and Zuko, bringing the count to a total of 6 indispensable recurring characters over the course of 20 episodes.


Now lets examine the first season of Legend of Korra, that had a mere 12 episodes. We had Korra, Tenzin first introduced + his kids. Mako, Bolin and Lin soon join, and it is revealed that Amon is the villain. Amon has that Luitenent guy, but since he's mostly an elite mook and not a real character, we won't count him. Tahno was also given a deal of screentime, but his role could have been fulfilled by any random jock archtype, so we won't count him either. Then there is Tarrlok, who plays both Ally and Antagonist to various characters at different points in time. And of course there is Asami and Hiroshi.

So we have a total of 11 main characters in the first season alone: Korra, Tenzin, Mako, Bolin and Asami as the main group, with Meelo, Ikki and Jinora closely related, with Lin as a rough ally vs Amon and Hiroshi. You could theoretically group Tenzin's kids into 1 character since they all play the same role despite different personalities, so you could tentatively say you have 9 main characters in 12 episodes.



I think it all comes down to the fact that the writers bit off more than they could chew in season 1 of LoK. Keep in mind that a good deal of those main characters have allegiance shifts and even those that stay allies have interpersonal issues, unlike the Gaang, Zuko, Iroh and Zhao, who had their alliegances remain consistant through the entire run of the first season (barring extraneous circumstances like the blue spirit). The writers clearly wanted to have a more complex plot in a much smaller time frame, and we ended up with a lot of superflous junk. The characters of the first season all serve simple but vital functions in TLA. Aang is the hero whose perspective we get behind. Katara and Sokka function both as support and as informants of a strange world that is unfamiliar to both Aang and the viewer. They also served the more superficial roles of love interest and comedic relief, obviously, but I would not say it was their primary purpose. Zuko is the antagonist and Iroh provides a contrast and mentor role for him. Zhao has the simplest task of just being a bad guy so that Zuko can have an enemy we can root for him to beat.


So, knowing what we know of LoK season 1, what characters were necessary? Korra is obvious the hero here. Tenzin is supposed to play the mentor role. But both of them have a blindspot for the current problems the city is facing, with her being new and him being old. Mako and Bolin should have done a fusion dance, and we could have been left with 2 characters that provide a complete perspective of the city: The rich, more cultured view with Asami and the dirtier, rougher view with Boko/Malin/buttface. Amon and Hiroshi could remain enemies, with Amon providing the political/philosophical angle with Hiroshi being the emotional that's connected to a protagonist sympathetically. Lin and Tenzin's kid's should have been background characters until a time that they actually had a purpose to serve in the narrative, and it would have allowed Bolin and Mako to fill more roles than Love interest and comedic relief, which is what they were defined by for 2 seasons before given more to do. And Tarrlok should have never existed at all, since his role was ultimately to just to drag out the facade that this is a poltical story and then provide a last minute info dump on Amon's backstory. We should have come out of LoK with no more than 4 main characters and 2 villains at best.
 
Tenzin and Korra are meant for each other. Two of the worst at their positions, and constantly failing and being pathetic. It's like poetry it rhymes.
 
Tarrlok had a role as a secondary villain. A lot of action occured because of him.

Endgame is the single worst episode in the franchise.
 
Tarrlok had a role as a secondary villain. A lot of action occured because of him.

The point I'm making is that certain characters did not use their roles well enough to warrant existence, not that they didn't have roles to begin with.
 
ATLA was way more consistent than classic Who tho

True. Although the first Doctor Who stuff I grew up with was black & white... so.. my nostalgia goggles are strong with that franchise. :-P

Quite strong.

There really isn't much to compare the entirety of the Avatar series to actually. People are mad that an S-Rank franchise has a few A or B rank seasons to it with The Legend of Korra. It may be "weaker" than the first series in many regards, but it's still stronger than a good 90% of the shows out there for that demographic.

Also, I like the characters.
 
The point I'm making is that certain characters did not use their roles well enough to warrant existence, not that they didn't have roles to begin with.

But he didn't just exist in order to be an info dump. He was a foil for both Tenzin and the Avatar, and a representation of the politics of the time: fast talking manipulator. Those are meaty roles not filled by anyone else.

You cut Tarrlok out, the entire show changes. It would be like cutting Zhao out of Book Water.
 
yes thats bryan konietzko

he performed that as reference for the animation
the dancing guy was based off of konietzko's dance
 
But he didn't just exist in order to be an info dump. He was a foil for both Tenzin and the Avatar, and a representation of the politics of the time: fast talking manipulator. Those are meaty roles not filled by anyone else.

You cut Tarrlok out, the entire show changes. It would be like cutting Zhao out of Book Water.

Well, obviously, the show changes. That's the intention. Tarrlok and his role are unnecessary and dilute the conflict that should be between Amon and Korra by causing internal politics between Korra and Tenzin and then altering the entire tone of the conflict with Amon by turning it from a political story into a revenge story. The problem is that there is too much going on in Book 1, and Amon's story should be prioritized over his, so he should have been cut.

And he doesn't exactly give any new insight into the whole political thing anyway. The fact that he only implements the right violating policies in the presence of systematic terrorist attacks only discredits Amon's campaign that benders are being oppressed all the time. We could have explored the subtle manipulations of politics and social inequity without him, and we definitely didn't need his Amon reveal. If he absolutely had to exist, it should have been in the same capacity as the other members of the council: grumpy, outdated old badgers that you don't give much thought to. A background character.
 
Kind of a side thought, but I'd actually love to see the narrative arc of Book 1 of Korra redone into a three book series as long as ATLA.

You could have Amon and the anti-bending/Equalist thing as the overarching thing like facing Ozai was, but make it much more of a journey. Heck, you could even have harmonic convergence and new airbenders in there somewhere (along with tons of other Book 2/3 stuff), along with space for the multitude of characters and their development. Maybe have Korra lose her bending at the end of Book 2, having to sit with having lost it for most of Book 3 before either earning it back to beat Amon or finding a way to beat Amon with airbending and earning the others back after that.

For me, Amon taking bending away was damn scary. I felt way more terrified of him than I ever did of Ozai.

I kinda feel like writing up a episode synopsis list to illustrate what I would like, hehe.
 
Well, obviously, the show changes. That's the intention. Tarrlok and his role are unnecessary and dilute the conflict that should be between Amon and Korra by causing internal politics between Korra and Tenzin and then altering the entire tone of the conflict with Amon by turning it from a political story into a revenge story. And he doesn't exactly give any new insight into the whole political thing anyway. The fact that he only implements the right violating policies in the presence of systematic terrorist attacks only discredits Amon's campaign that benders are being oppressed all the time. We could have explored the subtle manipulations of politics and social inequity without him, and we definitely didn't need his Amon reveal.

I think there being an "establishment" antagonist in order to play off of Korra's fish-out-of-water angle was a smart move. There never was a character like Tarrlok before in Avatar, and he was emblematic of the show's more mature (at least on the surface) theme: Industrial, political, businesslike.

Mishandled, I can agree with. Unnecessary, not quite. Like the example you used with the brothers being able to be fused into one character: their footprints on the story are such that their existences are redundant. That's unnecessary extra fat that could be consolidated. Not so with Tarrlok.
 
Kind of a side thought, but I'd actually love to see the narrative arc of Book 1 of Korra redone into a three book series as long as ATLA.

You could have Amon and the anti-bending/Equalist thing as the overarching thing like facing Ozai was, but make it much more of a journey. Heck, you could even have harmonic convergence and new airbenders in there somewhere (along with tons of other Book 2/3 stuff), along with space for the multitude of characters and their development. Maybe have Korra lose her bending at the end of Book 2, having to sit with having lost it for most of Book 3 before either earning it back to beat Amon or finding a way to beat Amon with airbending and earning the others back after that.

For me, Amon taking bending away was damn scary. I felt way more terrified of him than I ever did of Ozai.

I kinda feel like writing up a episode synopsis list to illustrate what I would like, hehe.

I was actually considering writing a fanfic that did something to the effect (though it heavily changed some stuff to 1. make sense and 2. offer new material for readers), but I lost motivation now that Book 3 doesn't want to make me pluck out my eyes from watching it like the last seasons did (though I may regain that motivation if Book 3 ends badly).

But at a certain point, LoK is just unfixable. For me, that point is the end of Book 1. There are things they could do to make swallowing Amon's change and his powers and Korra's deus ex machinas easier, but you can't make it good. To write a satisfying conclusion to the narrative Book 1 began, you'd have to rewrite the entire last few episodes, which would make Book 2 unworkable without heavy rewrites of it's own.

I think there being an "establishment" antagonist in order to play off of Korra's fish-out-of-water angle was a smart move. There never was a character like Tarrlok before in Avatar, and he was emblematic of the show's more mature (at least on the surface) theme: Industrial, political, businesslike.

Mishandled, I can agree with. Unnecessary, not quite. Like the example you used with the brothers being able to be fused into one character: their footprints on the story are such that their existences are redundant. That's unnecessary extra fat that could be consolidated.

First off, Long Feng.

Second, yes, very unnecessary. Understand, I am not saying Tarrlok the concept is BAD, but the biggest part of his mishandling is that he has no place being in THIS storyline, that is trying to establish Korra's role as the avatar, Tenzin's role as her mentor, and Amon's role as a poltical revolutionary, all for the first time. A character like his could be interesting, but he is too big a character for Book 1 and the role he plays disrupts the roles of too many other characters just by being what he is. That's why I say he's out, because he makes too big a splash, not because I think he's a bad concept in and of himself. He's a villain that would probably be better suited to Season 2's storyline if anything.
 
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