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LGBThread |OT4| We're (still) Here! We're (still) Queer!
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Begging for an avatar quote.
Or a tag.
I agree though, even though I prefered a threefer with Alfie and Kit. :3
Haly, y u so mean.
GasProblem
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Delft.
And I'll add you two tomorrow!
Hmm, either Pikmin 3 or NSMBU for my free game (already played WW and have no interest in Wonderful 101). Playing NSMBU and getting all the star coins would be fun (although I'm already getting Donkey Kong as a platformer), but I never played a Pikmin game either, so I dunno
The funny thing is that they are very sanitized to keep the show pg-13. But that is what they do, a politically correct drag queen is an oxymoron, might as well be a female impersonator and leave it at that.
I wonder the kind of reception someone like Divine would have today.
RatskyWatsky
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Hmm, either Pikmin 3 or NSMBU for my free game (already played WW and have no interest in Wonderful 101). Playing NSMBU and getting all the star coins would be fun (although I'm already getting Donkey Kong as a platformer), but I never played a Pikmin game either, so I dunno
Get Pikmin 3.
we're all brothers and sisters
Delft.
And I'll add you two tomorrow!
Hmm, either Pikmin 3 or NSMBU for my free game (already played WW and have no interest in Wonderful 101). Playing NSMBU and getting all the star coins would be fun (although I'm already getting Donkey Kong as a platformer), but I never played a Pikmin game either, so I dunno
I'd pick Pikmin 3 since you already get DK. Best strategy game there is
on a Nintendo console. AoE II is still GotF of all strategy titles
Then maybe it would be best if drag queens ceased to be in favour of female impersonation instead if being "politically correct" (a term used by the privileged to dismiss the oppressed) is anathema to them. When drag queens use their performance and persona to debase and mock women (typically those on the margins of society) and make light of rape and DV it shows them for what they really are: men.
Divine was a misogynist.
Some of us are the poorer brothers and sisters in this "family" who only get fed after everyone else.
This sounds awfully sexist on your part. As I'm understanding it, it comes off as you thinking that all men are misogynists.
And I certainly disagree on Divine being a misogynist.
MisterGrey3000
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Kit Harington is cute but he always seems like he's in a bad mood. lol
Don't you dare tell me that I don't know what privilege means (I've even alluded to the fact that I know that trans people face different issues that trans* people don't have to deal with)
Being a black effeminate queer boy I've ran into more than a few people with a lot of privilege that were completely unaware of the fact that they have it.
The male bodied trans* person in that vid seems to have no problem with calling drag queens em's sisters, and neither do many trans women who admire queens and have great friends who are queens. Plus, many of these girls have no problems with queens being labeled as transgender and many queens wear the label proudly on their sleeve (Jinx Monsoon is an example that comes to mind)
Also If you wanna dismiss the experiences and concerns of DQ's (like you've accused me of doing with you) than I don't think we're gonna have a very productive conversation because, I have to admit, I'm getting a little frustrated; it seems like your only (rather ignorant) understanding of DQs is that they're giant gay stereotypes (who are apparently all bigots) that sing Diana Ross songs and maliciously mock other people.
Edit: You also seem to think that Divine (an admittedly trashy and revolting act) is representative of the majority of drag queens, ok.
Don't you dare tell me that I don't know what privilege means (I've even alluded to the fact that I know that trans people face different issues that trans* people don't have to deal with)
Being a black effeminate queer boy I've ran into more than a few people with a lot of privilege that were completely unaware of the fact that they have it.
The male bodied trans* person in that vid seems to have no problem with calling drag queens em's sisters, and neither do many trans women who admire queens and have great friends who are queens. Plus, many of these girls have no problems with queens being labeled as transgender and many queens wear the label proudly on their sleeve (Jinx Monsoon is an example that comes to mind)
Also If you wanna dismiss the experiences and concerns of DQ's (like you've accused me of doing with you) than I don't think we're gonna have a very productive conversation because, I have to admit, I'm getting a little frustrated; it seems like your only (rather ignorant) understanding of DQs is that they're giant gay stereotypes (who are apparently all bigots) that sing Diana Ross songs and maliciously mock other people.
Edit: You also seem to think that Divine (an admittedly trashy and revolting act) is representative of the majority of drag queens, ok.
Women don't tend to crack jokes about their husband or pimp beating them or about rape. It's a very male thing. If the fact that misogyny among men is a huge problem makes you uncomfortable... well it should.
If a middle class man making a caricature of a low income woman who calls women sluts and cunts and made an infamous sketch involving him being raped by a lobster isn't a misogynist by your criteria then I am at a loss.
dragonlife
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Robb's the better-looking brother.
Ginger and cute Scottish accent... yes, please.
Extremely relevant and slightly NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESvRhwRXEY
Ginger and cute Scottish accent... yes, please.
Extremely relevant and slightly NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESvRhwRXEY
Why then do DQs typically not perform at Trans pride and gatherings (at least in the UK)? Because they aren't trans. They are mostly gay men and a part of gay culture who want little to do with trans people. They're happy being guys and they don't like to be confused with trans women.
If you are going to be dismissive of the very real misogyny and transphobia in drag queen performances just because you think I am mean to DQs then that's unfortunate. I like drag a lot, I think it's fun and entertaining but not when it's used as a vehicle to trash women nor when RuPaul doubles down on the transphobic slurs.
Where did I say he did? Do not misrepresent me please.
Christopher
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Hey I'm going to like a casual fancy event Friday you guys got ideas what to wear?
How fancy is the event from a scale of 1 - 10?
Dead Prince
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Callard Harris
when he's the brother of the twincest in the campy Lifetime Show Witches of East End.
when he's the brother of the twincest in the campy Lifetime Show Witches of East End.
MisterGrey3000
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^^^^^
Lady Olenna's sword swallower line slayed me (no pun intended); I really wasn't expecting that to come out of her mouth.
I can't really answer this (I don't live in the UK), but how many UK trans pride/gatherings have you been to? Are they mostly "women only" spaces? Do they only accommodate trans girls and boys? Do they ever book any queens? Are they places where non-trans trans* groups can feel comfortable socializing or showing up? (The genderqueer individual I linked you to is apparently unsure of whether em would be welcomed in those kinds of spaces because em is male bodied and not a woman)
Of course they don't; effeminate male bodied genderqueer individuals and crossdressers aren't out to be perceived as trans women either. They're are comfortable with the sex they were born as.
It's possible to be part of gay culture and trans* culture without being a transsexual.
Also, It's possible for queens to be bi-gender gay/Bi boys; most of the DQs I've come across tend to fit the bill to a T, even if they don't always admit it (There is a pretty strong stigma about effeminacy among desirable "straight acting" queer men. It's pretty easy to see why it takes a bit of poking and prodding for some queens to talk about their gender identity)
Same here, but that's not the majority of drag performers (they can generally be ignored)
Most queens don't do this; the majority of queens don't make any kind of commentary beyond passively deconstructing rigid gender roles by being extremely effeminate boys/genderqueers (with extremely feminine interest) who can look, sing, dance and act like glamorous Hollywood starlets/pop divas/club girls/pretty women (things they aren't supposed to be, but things they can be) for a living.
Yes, transphobia, internalized transphobia, and sexism exists within the drag community and it needs to be addressed (I have no idea why you're misrepresenting me as someone who just sitting back, sticking my fingers in my ears, and going "lalalalala, DQs are perfect none of them do bad things, lalalalalala!")
However, it's not right to ban queens or kings (or crossdressers) from being able to use trans* (something that's officially seen as an umbrella term by most credible LGBT associations) as a way to identify themselves.
I understand that cis people (straight/bi/gay) are often confused and that can lead to pretty hurtful interactions, but the best/most rational way to deal with them is to educate them on trans* subjects rather than ostracizing peeps.
It genuinely sounds like you're using trashy fringe queens as some sort of representative of all queen's identities and expression. I apologize if you didn't mean for it to come off that way.
Lady Olenna's sword swallower line slayed me (no pun intended); I really wasn't expecting that to come out of her mouth.
I can't really answer this (I don't live in the UK), but how many UK trans pride/gatherings have you been to? Are they mostly "women only" spaces? Do they only accommodate trans girls and boys? Do they ever book any queens? Are they places where non-trans trans* groups can feel comfortable socializing or showing up? (The genderqueer individual I linked you to is apparently unsure of whether em would be welcomed in those kinds of spaces because em is male bodied and not a woman)
Of course they don't; effeminate male bodied genderqueer individuals and crossdressers aren't out to be perceived as trans women either. They're are comfortable with the sex they were born as.
It's possible to be part of gay culture and trans* culture without being a transsexual.
Also, It's possible for queens to be bi-gender gay/Bi boys; most of the DQs I've come across tend to fit the bill to a T, even if they don't always admit it (There is a pretty strong stigma about effeminacy among desirable "straight acting" queer men. It's pretty easy to see why it takes a bit of poking and prodding for some queens to talk about their gender identity)
Same here, but that's not the majority of drag performers (they can generally be ignored)
Most queens don't do this; the majority of queens don't make any kind of commentary beyond passively deconstructing rigid gender roles by being extremely effeminate boys/genderqueers (with extremely feminine interest) who can look, sing, dance and act like glamorous Hollywood starlets/pop divas/club girls/pretty women (things they aren't supposed to be, but things they can be) for a living.
Yes, transphobia, internalized transphobia, and sexism exists within the drag community and it needs to be addressed (I have no idea why you're misrepresenting me as someone who just sitting back, sticking my fingers in my ears, and going "lalalalala, DQs are perfect none of them do bad things, lalalalalala!")
However, it's not right to ban queens or kings (or crossdressers) from being able to use trans* (something that's officially seen as an umbrella term by most credible LGBT associations) as a way to identify themselves.
I understand that cis people (straight/bi/gay) are often confused and that can lead to pretty hurtful interactions, but the best/most rational way to deal with them is to educate them on trans* subjects rather than ostracizing peeps.
It genuinely sounds like you're using trashy fringe queens as some sort of representative of all queen's identities and expression. I apologize if you didn't mean for it to come off that way.
Speedo and a black bow tie.
I mean uh...
i would go with cocktail attire myself. So navy/dark gray slacks, white dress shirt, a simple tie, maybe like a sport coat or vest to match the slacks.
Christopher
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Christopher
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I am far from being a regular but over the last 10 years I have gotten the lay of the land.
No. Lots of trans guys.
No. Plenty of genderqueer people using gender neutral pronouns.
These events are typically by the community for the community. There isn't the money there to book drag queens and as they don't feel part of the trans community... the gay community has a lot of money and corporate sponsorships, the trans community is very DIY.
Yes, SO, family and allies.
Yes, with open arms.
That's all I want to reply to, I have said what I wanted to say already and this has become a bit too confrontational.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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He's gotta purty mouth..Nah.
He can be relaxed too. He can even laugh.
So adorabluuu~
Robb Stark can get stabbed again tho.
And there's this guy:
rawr! This guy is filling out well too...
Dead Prince
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Wait. Did you really just link him.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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Force of habit, sorry. Popgaf got deleted once for being too salacious once. I tread lightly.
Dead Prince
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Lol deleted wow. I need that archive then
Just googled Colby Keller and saw a lot of pictures of him fellating all kinds of random objects like door handles and stuff (I have Save Search on)
Was worth my time.
Are topless pictures allowed as long as the model is not in a kinda sexually suggestive pose? Just curious, that's why I'm asking.
Why archive a whole thread if you can just follow all these NSFW gif tumblr pages?
Was worth my time.
Are topless pictures allowed as long as the model is not in a kinda sexually suggestive pose? Just curious, that's why I'm asking.
Why archive a whole thread if you can just follow all these NSFW gif tumblr pages?
<+)O Robido O(+>
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Ha. It was mostly pix of Saggy Gaga in her seashell bra. Nothing interesting.
Like mine... Tomorrow might be Colby Keller day... that is if I come across a lot of pix I haven't already posted. His Gay of Thrones porn parody looks interesting.
MisterGrey3000
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Well...we're having a discussion, these tend to get confrontational especially when we're discussing hot social topics like this.
I mean, do you think I'm gonna hold some sort of grudge against you because you don't think the term transgender should be inclusive of CDs and DQ/Ks who identify in that way? No, I'm actually enjoying this discussion even if I don't agree with you (or anyone else who holds this opinion) and most likely never will; it's always nice to educate people on this topic through a bit of healthy debate (and expand our own minds as well)
Also, I just don't understand why you keep repeating "they're not trans!" over and over again when I keep saying, "I know, they're not transsexuals/trans people they're trans*".
Whether anyone likes it or not drags (queens and Kings) are trans* and so are CDs (They don't have to label themselves that way, but it's perfectly fine for them to identify as trans* if they want to)
I'm just personally not fond of the idea that one group should be able to erase everyone else who falls under the term because they deem their experiences and issues to be more important the other person's. Minorities always do this shit, and I'm tired of it (Black rights vs LGBT rights always comes to mind). We don't have pit ourselves against each other to get the majority's attention; they're perfectly capable of tackling multiple issues.
Btw, if you don't pay queens/kings to come to your event they're probably not gonna come. Dressing is their living/passion and artistic /gender expression, but they've got things to do on their own time (especially on the weekends when they work) Maybe the T gatherings you go to just don't attract queens/kings.
Gay of Thrones parody, huh. I already watched the trailer for a hetero version of exactly that, a parody porn from Hustler.
I thought that was weird, since I was there in the audience. "Did he just cup that guy's boob?"
Chris Evans is a lucky man (well except for the balding part).
And where is this money going to come from? Again, trans people do not have the money, venues nor the corporate sponsors gay men do. London is a big city yet Bar Wotever (a queer/trans venue) is just one night a week. Entry prices to trans events are typically either free or around £5 with the money going to charity. The money isn't there to get drag queens on stage.
Drag kings are a different kettle of fish entirely. They don't make the money nor do they get the media coverage drag queens do. This disparity and the paltry number of bars and clubs for lesbian/bi/queer women (there's only one in London and it's owned by a gay man) are a clear cut example of male privilege which DQs benefit from.
I am not the arbiter of who gets to call themselves trans, I do however have legitimate concerns about appropriation especially given the scant resources and the lack of voice trans people have. That's all. There's a clear cultural divide between DQs and trans people when you have someone like RuPaul doubling down on transphobic slurs (and one of his contestants made a video on Youtube acting out an execution of a trans woman who dared to write articles objecting to this). Very different needs, very different communities.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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I really dislike the flak Ru has been getting over this, especially when he's been explicit that this is the verbiage drag queens have been using among themselves for decades.
MisterGrey3000
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I don't know. I say they only work for money, but that's not entirely true and very black & white of me to say.
I'm sure if one at least tries to reach out to a few big (or small) local non-drag race queens they'll show up at the event to perform and socialize. Maybe the people who've ran the gatherings you've been to just didn't feel that queens were necessary for the venue.
Errr, kings generally don't make as much money or get as much attention because girls/female bodied individuals crossdressing or adopting male characteristics isn't really seen as a completely loathsome or spectacular thing in a society which devalues femininity. It's not right, but that's just how it is; DQs are benefiting more from society's general misogyny than any sort of male privilege that they have while dressed as women.
They're also benefiting from the fact that women's fashion is like 5 times more interesting and diverse than men's fashion. There are lots of ways to look like a woman and express your femininity. Masculinity is quite rigid and boring.
Of course. Drags are trans*, and they have experiences that differ from trans men and women.
Ru and Alaska (the one who made the video) don't represent the whole drag community.
Some consider themselves trans*(like Ru) and some don't (probably like Alaska, but I'm not sure about her). I mean, I'm totally of the opinion that Ru shouldn't have been raising such a stink about the "she-mail/tranny" controversy. I think it was rather dumb of her to be so angry about not being able to use a slur (even if it was spelled "she-mail") on a national TV program while also passively dictating that there is only one way to look like a "real" woman, but she's really not the all powerful drag goddess that speaks for every other queen/king.
However, I don't feel like anyone was justified in erasing her trans* identity during that whole thing ("You can't say tranny! You're not trans*, you're just a confused old crossdresser!")
Edit:
Hey Robido, who is the boy in your avi?
He's looks yummy!
Dead Prince
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last one looks just like her but with no boobs and short hair and bleach white nipples.
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