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[Randall365]

Learnt to beat the game on level 1 using my dick with a rockband drumset so genuinely livid about this.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Now I might pick it up

 

[Shockwave_Fox]

Nice, I loved the atmosphere and aesthetics of this game but I couldnt get the hang of parrying at all.

Would give it another go if the parrying window is more generous with these options.

 

[Jurry132]

Does every game really needs to be for everyone tho?

 

[PauloRoberto]

Does every game really needs to be for everyone tho?

Commercially speaking, preferably :-D

 

[Doom_master1122]

I get it. Its an interesting option for people. Personally its not something I'd ever use. I'd keep the difficulty where its at.

I found the game pretty hard. Weird I see people saying Souls games are harder. I actually find Souls games EASIER than this game.
Rather, I had issues with the game after Puppet King. The second half of the game really just leaned heavily into the multi phased, endurance run bosses which get painfully tiring. Spend 5 minute poking a boss down to 0, for it to kick into phase 2 where its harder and tankier. Die during then? REDO WHOLE FIGHT.
And while I don't think having boss checkpoints is a solution, its more so I feel the boss health's needed to be balanced more to where I'm not wasting 5-10 minutes before I get to the part I'm stuck at. Where I can only practice 1-2 dodges/parries before I get killed. The whole second half of the game relied heavily on that design, as it felt as if almost every other, (it not EVERY) boss after puppet king was basically a 2 phased fight that tested my patience more than anything.
2 Phased fights can be awesome, in fact, Puppet King was absolutely amazing, but when your game becomes the same painful schtick over and over again, it gets pretty tiring.

 

[kevboard]

Mods count because the intended way went nowhere if you don't use them. Just like a Normal (intended way) difficult changes nothing if devs adds a more easy difficult as option.

how do you know normal is the intended way? which is the intended difficulty setting in Doom Eternal? what's the intended one in Halo 3? fans who play these games will tell you it's not the "normal" ones. most Halo players will tell you that Heroic the the most balanced and fun mode, most Doom player will tell you Ultra Violence is probably the way to go for a balanced experience. neither of them are the default/normal mode.

I'll tell you playing anything below the highest difficulty mode on Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart is a snooze fest. I know someone who played it on "Rebel Agent" (not even sure if thats the equivalent of Normal in this) and hated the game, I told him to switch to "Renegade Legend" and he loved it.

having multiple modes with different damage values basically gives the devs an easy way out to tell you to just try a different mode. it also incentivises them to dumb down the "normal" mode, so that noone has to feel bad if they can't keep up with the "intended" mode.
this then means that this type of normal mode isn't really designed for good players. but what if this "normal" mode that is deliberately dumbed down is the one that got all the attention during development? what if the harder modes are just lazy, barely playtested value tweaks with unbalanced encounters that are either way too frustrating or even straight up unfair?

Halo 2's Legendary mode comes to mind. an unfun, terribly designed and straight up unfair ordeal that has insta-death snipers you can't see coming. it clearly wasn't playtested or given any real attention, let alone purposeful design changes. meanwhile Normal is basically a cakewalk. so you have the Heroic setting sandwiched between a mode that is barely a challenge, and a mode that's insanely unfair and frustrating.
in Rift Apart you have a singular mode that you'd think is ridiculously hard, given that it's 2 mode above the default, while in reality it's the only one that actually encourages you to use the full array of gameplay mechanics the game offers, when on normal it's so dull that you can ignore anything and just spam attacks like a mindless zombie. and it's not like Renegade Legend is some hardcore mode that requires god like gameplay to beat... it's maybe describable as "kinda challenging" at most, yet it's 2 above normal and probably something most people won't even think about trying, let alone the first one they'd try.


so the main 2 issues are that 1: the player can not know which mode is the best to choose, which can lead to someone ruining their own first playthrough of the game or making it more frustrating as they change back and forth trying to find the correct one.
and 2: developers are encouraged to make a normal mode dumbed down enough as to not frustrate even the worst of players, while other modes often get far less attention in terms of balance and design, as they basically are just there as a way for the Devs to tell you they offer modes for everyone.

the worst restaurants are the ones with 10 pages full of different dishes. would you rather trust to get a good pizza at place that also serves hamburgers, burritos, tacos, spaghetti, kebabs, rice dishes and curry. or would you rather trust to get a good pizza at a place that only serves italian food, and has a menu that fits on a single page?
if you have something for everyone... chances are everyone will get served something mediocre.

you can't give every game mode the same attention... that's just a fact. especially in today's bloated ass AAA titles, or if you're a small team barely being able to deliver a AA title within your budget.
so I trust a game more if it only presents you a single mode. because if a game does that, you know the Devs made sure it's the best it can be. it can't be too dull, as there's no alibi "hard mode" you can point people towards... and it can't be unfairly hard as there's no way to just tell people to play on easy.

DMC3 has the best way to handle this. only 1 mode. if you get stuck somewhere it offers you an easy mode but warns you that you can't switch back later. and if you beat it it offers increasingly harder and weirder modes to give you some additional replayability.
but it has that Normal mode that it clearly presents as THE MODE to play.

FromSoft also does it right. offering a variety of strategies and tools to overcome hard challenges, but all are compiled into a singular mode. there's no questioning if this is the intended design.
Nintendo does the same in most of their games. 1 mode, easy ways to progress, harder challenges if you seek them out while playing the game as intended.


so no. mods are irrelevant in this. they aren't affecting the game's design. difficulty modes do, and usually in a bad way.
you could say "but Lies of P added the easy mode after the fact, so clearly the normal mode got the most attention!"... yeah, for the main game this is true. but what about the DLC? which mode got the most attention? did having to balance 2 modes negatively affect one of them? maybe both of them? will the easy mode be even any fun to play or will it have the opposite effect and make people who only tried it on easy drop the game because it's too dull, like my friend dropped Rift Apart because he didn't try the right and only fun mode?

 

[ElFenomeno]

Nothing wrong with more choices.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Listen boys, the game was pretty hard indeed and the Manus & Nameless one bosses made tear my hair out but, the game's biggest problem was the absolutely shitty and incredibly unforgiving parry system - JFC, I can't even imagine of playing this on an older LCD with 80-90ms of input lag, I played it on an OLED and the parrying was almost impossible to pull off...

If there is a way to adjust that in the DLC I'll be a happy camper - the main difficulty can stay the same for all I care, it's just that fookin' parry timing window that got on my tits

 

[Conflict NZ]

It is extremely hard and unfair later on. I was raging on last few bosses.
just because you don't have an issue, doesn't mean 98% of other players have to suffer through it.

The games nowadays are just difficulty difficulty and difficulty to some people.
Games ARE SO MUCH MORE than just a difficulty. This is amazing game for story, art, music, combat, exploration. Being balls out hard unfair difficulty is not enjoyable to everyone.

As I've said. Nameless % was at 2% when I beat him. ONLY 2% of gp pc players beat the dude week after release.

It was a gamepass title, all gamepass titles have suppressed achievement stats, especially 30 hour games. Clair Obscur's final boss is at 2.83% and that's significantly easier than Lies of P. Nameless puppet is at 8.3% now.

 

[R6Rider]

Listen boys, the game was pretty hard indeed and the Manus & Nameless one bosses made tear my hair out but, the game's biggest problem was the absolutely shitty and incredibly unforgiving parry system - JFC, I can't even imagine of playing this on an older LCD with 80-90ms of input lag, I played it on an OLED and the parrying was almost impossible to pull off...

If there is a way to adjust that in the DLC I'll be a happy camper - the main difficulty can stay the same for all I care, it's just that fookin' parry timing window that got on my tits

For me the parrying felt super easy compared to Dark Souls or Elden Ring. Not as easy as Stellar Blade (for another recent comparison).

 

[FoxMcChief]

Eh. Doesn't ruin my awesome playthrough.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

This game is not even that hard until the endgame where they start throwing some seriously annoying bullshit at you.

 

[rodrigolfp]

how do you know normal is the intended way?

By the works "Normal" vs "ease". Also just do like some game literally do describing to the player "this is the intended difficult" when you pick the " normal" difficult.

 

[Newuserdontflame]

This might end up having the opposite effect on their intended outcome when it comes to their next game (and the DLC). Add difficulty options a while after release to allow "new players to experience our game" and lose a decent percentage of players for your next release (like me). It's a bold strategy. Maybe it will work out for em ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[rkofan87]

The game is not even that hard…

its what devs want and its for more sales.

 

[rkofan87]

i might try this game for real now.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Jurnos won . Review bombing incoming?

 

[EviLore]

But they're so much more skilled, bro. They're actually even better human beings than everyone else, as is clearly proven by beating a video game!

Fact check: True

 

[rkofan87]

Didn't know the "P" stood for "pussies"

i love pussies modes in video games.

 

[rkofan87]

People who aren't experienced with soulslike (like me) might struggle with such games

I beated Bloodborne and Sekiro though but still haven't played this one. Will do with the DLC launch

this

 

[LordOcidax]

its what devs want and its for more sales.

They were in the right path, nobody asked for this. Probably now their core audience go from day 1 buy to wait mode.

 

[rkofan87]

They were in the right path, nobody asked for this. Probably now their core audience go from day 1 buy to wait mode.

bad take

 

[LordOcidax]

bad take

Not at all, just read the reactions in this thread. Imagine Miyazaki doing the same for the Souls series.

 

[Little Chicken]

There are bosses where I can imagine people meet a bit of a wall, I think most people will know the group I'm referring to, so I don't really see an issue.

Difficulty options don't take away from my own experience and enjoyment. There are a few games I've blasted through on EASY just because I didn't want to invest too much time.

 

[balls of snow]

Its their first game of course they want to have difficulty options. Stellar Blade had the same. Gotta rope in as much people as they can.

 

[Little Chicken]

I get it. Its an interesting option for people. Personally its not something I'd ever use. I'd keep the difficulty where its at.

I found the game pretty hard. Weird I see people saying Souls games are harder. I actually find Souls games EASIER than this game.
Rather, I had issues with the game after Puppet King. The second half of the game really just leaned heavily into the multi phased, endurance run bosses which get painfully tiring. Spend 5 minute poking a boss down to 0, for it to kick into phase 2 where its harder and tankier. Die during then? REDO WHOLE FIGHT.
And while I don't think having boss checkpoints is a solution, its more so I feel the boss health's needed to be balanced more to where I'm not wasting 5-10 minutes before I get to the part I'm stuck at. Where I can only practice 1-2 dodges/parries before I get killed. The whole second half of the game relied heavily on that design, as it felt as if almost every other, (it not EVERY) boss after puppet king was basically a 2 phased fight that tested my patience more than anything.
2 Phased fights can be awesome, in fact, Puppet King was absolutely amazing, but when your game becomes the same painful schtick over and over again, it gets pretty tiring.

I thought Lies of P was on the easier side, aside from a few bosses that had me banging my head.

But as soon as you have access to the consumables shop, everything just becomes a matter of resource management. They're super OP.