Crayon
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Why the denial? It's been improving at a fast rate. Look at the OP, who just realized some of their main concerns have been fixed since they last tried linux.
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Tomb raider just got confirmed today. Square-Enix dipping a toe in.
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Why the denial? It's been improving at a fast rate. Look at the OP, who just realized some of their main concerns have been fixed since they last tried linux.
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Tomb raider just got confirmed today. Square-Enix dipping a toe in.
LordRaptor
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I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if it ends up that TR sells more linux copies than Win10 UWA copies.
Doubtful.
I don't trust most benchmarks cause they will not inform readers as to what is being processed or how the windows kernel has been tweaked or not tweaked. A handful of settings not configured properly on the same machine can make different pacing results especially hpet, a variety of network settings, not using affinity or msi-x properly on certain devices. Even drivers can make bad results depending on game plus the becnhmark, though drivers are a cause as I've tried stating in the past.
They should do it in windows to reveal the problem, linux will only contrast and offer a decent step up. You still gotta make a decent engine or drivers regardless of the platform, but the os shouldn't be in the way which is what windows has become for me at this point. If it didn't offer convenience and various forms of programs I can do besides gaming I would switch over since working with routers has convinced me linux is a million times better than windows in certain areas.
socksfelloff
Member
That's your problem right there. The proprietary Nvidia drivers work great. In fact my 980 refuses to output audio through hdmi in windows. It won't let me change from 192khz and My amp doesn't support that. It works perfect under Ubuntu.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
On Linux? Where?
Crayon
Member
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
This is really good, 3 years late, but still good.
Crayon
Member
Year of The Linux Tomb Raider!
Not to mention that is just the naive implementation rather than the proper thing, so the performance will be worse than what the final will be, and is worse than DX11 for now
MrCunningham
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It's nice to see Vulkan give some noticeable performance boosts to AMD's cards in Linux. But... I was still hoping for a little better, the R9 Fury still falls a bit short of the 980... but there's still a nice 32% framerate increase over the Fury's OpenGL performance at 4K resolution. That is encouraging. Their OpenGL performance has made a few small performance increases too with their latest drivers. But at this stage, they may as well focus on Vulkan more.
Not that I am trying to fanboy on AMD, but I am happy to see their cards finally move beyond shit-tier performance on Linux. The more options, the better.
petran79
Banned
I tried running Windows 7 in Ubuntu through Virtualbox. Application performance was abysmal and the one game I tried (GG AC+ R), it gave me a Direct3D error. No way I could run both virtualized Windows and Ubuntu. Either the one or the other. You need 8 GB of RAM or more. There was sound stuttering when watching Youtube videos, even in low resolution.
Tried the same game in WINE. It runs but menu navigation goes out of control, probably due to mistakenly recognizing two instead of one gamepad. Other games have similar issues. This should be easy to solve, but still...
I'll stick to the separate Windows partition for Windows games.
I do not like W10 in the slightest. Windows XP and 7 are my gaming OS of choice and Linux as well.
With Microsoft focusing on Windows 10, Linux can gain the advantage by improving backward compatibility for older Windows games. XP has already become obsolete but it is the best OS for games, with minimum lag and faster response times.
Tried the same game in WINE. It runs but menu navigation goes out of control, probably due to mistakenly recognizing two instead of one gamepad. Other games have similar issues. This should be easy to solve, but still...
I'll stick to the separate Windows partition for Windows games.
I do not like W10 in the slightest. Windows XP and 7 are my gaming OS of choice and Linux as well.
With Microsoft focusing on Windows 10, Linux can gain the advantage by improving backward compatibility for older Windows games. XP has already become obsolete but it is the best OS for games, with minimum lag and faster response times.
But that isn't even a proper implementation of Vulkan. It's pretty much a wrapper as a proof of concept. They still have to actually change the engine so that it isn't just a naive port. Current performance is worse than DX11, but that is utterly expected considering this isn't the proper implementation
Stevey
Member
Where have you got that from?
MrCunningham
Member
Well yeah, but even if it is just a wrapper, you can still use it to compare Vulkan performance between AMD and Nvidia cards on Linux. And right now, the Vulkan performance on the AMD cards look a little behind what Nvidia has to offer. It still shows promise though on the AMD side of things.
But then again, the Vulkan implementation in The Talos Principle still uses a lot of OpenGL draw calls. So I guess the Nvidia cards still have the advantage.
Well if you do it this way, than performance isn't going to be very good. If you can get a video card that supports direct pass through (there aren't many cards that do this), then you can get something. You would also at least need 16 or 32GB or RAM for decent Windows 7/8.1/10 virtualization on Linux.
I find that Linux is a really good option for playing older games from the Win9X era in wine. It works pretty well for Windows XP era games too. Though it still isn't a substitute for the real OS's.
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
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These days I have had to boot into Windows more because I've been playing Witcher 3 and messing around with Unity3d, but sometimes I go months without using it.
I don't know if the economy has worked out for Valve, but this push for Linux support has been great for me, and when it's now as simple as pressing a button for many of the major game engines, Linux support is getting better and better.
I don't know if the economy has worked out for Valve, but this push for Linux support has been great for me, and when it's now as simple as pressing a button for many of the major game engines, Linux support is getting better and better.
Crayon
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Unity Editor on linux came in August! You tried it yet?
MrCunningham
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The latest builds of Unity3D for Linux are here: http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/unity-on-linux-release-notes-and-known-issues.350256/#post-2453359
Most current release is from March 18th 2016.
potatohead
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I actually wonder in 10 years will my Windows 7 machine be an archaic compatibility machine like a Windows 2000 or XP machine would be now.
And I wonder if Linux will be that replacement, possibly. Will be strange to have two completely different OS suppliers between two generations of PC games for me, hasn't happened for so long and it will be strange to get accustomed to!
i spent years working with linux systems on the regular in an enterprise setting and for the first while was amazed at the power and elegance of the OS. i decided then and there i was going to become a linux convert in my personal life. it never happened. 10 years later and i'm still using (and loving) windows. i'm on windows 10 now and the biggest change that got me to stop even looking around was integrated searching put in with windows vista (highly underrated OS btw). linux currently doesn't and probably never will come close to supporting as much hardware and performing at the same level as a windows os does when it comes to gaming. unfortunate as that may be.
CrispyBoar
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Not to worry, OP.
One day, Linux will continue to grow within PC gamers & then Windows will be completely left in the dust.
One day, Linux will continue to grow within PC gamers & then Windows will be completely left in the dust.
I don't care about an ide but I will say the one thing that keeps me from moving to linux is a good graphical debugger. luckily rad is working on one(with funding from valve if I'm not mistaken) and hopefully it will be free and well engineered.
petran79
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OS is much lighter overall. I prefer it for dx9 games.
Compared to Win7 64, it has lower sys req for the same game. Half the RAM actually. Linux as well.
Also no Aero option by default. Even if you add various cosmetic changes, eg Windowsblinds skins, XP is as fast as 7 with all cosmetic effects disabled.
Win7 32 would be a little faster probably, but if it were not for 64 architecture I would not have installed 7.
After I upgraded to W10 from 7, performance and response dropped further. OS eats more RAM. 3d games run the same but the rest like opening web pages, apps and menus is some seconds slower.
So now 10 is at least 40% slower than XP.
Problem with benchmarks is that they disregard completely older hardware, which is what the majority of users own.
Unknown Soldier
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Linux has been threatening to take over the desktop and unseat Windows any day now for about 20 years.
It's not going to happen.
It's not going to happen.
Sephiroth_VII
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Ubuntu's Unity and Gnome3 had that integrated search before Vista you know...
I'm dualbooting on my main pc and spend much of my computing time with linux. Also, the first thing to do with new laptop is to wipe it clean and install linux on it. So i'm doing something.
It might seem insignificant to "outsiders" but what valve has done to linux gaming and linux in general is huge.
It might seem insignificant to "outsiders" but what valve has done to linux gaming and linux in general is huge.
As someone who's been Windows and OSX my whole life, I tried using Raspbian last night on the pi which I believe is a Linux based OS. I will say 75% of the experience was pretty good. I liked all the GUI of Raspbian and honestly amazed at what a little computer could do nowadays. 25% of the time it was a fucking nightmare. At first I didn't know why I couldn't copy anything over to the root drive. Read up on that, and read it was a security and permissions issue. Then I tried all sorts of Sudo chown and chmod commands with zero success. The worst part was that after entering in a command there was basically no user feedback what happened.
In the end despite many warnings in tutorials of not giving myself root access, gave myself root access and finally copied everything over. Took me at least 3 or 4 hours of dicking around and looking up stuff and trying to figure things on. I can't really see anyone wanting to have to deal with Linux in this state. It would have to get to OS X quality of user friendliness to get any traction with gamers, much less mainstream people who have zero time to read linguo which is basically programming.
In the end despite many warnings in tutorials of not giving myself root access, gave myself root access and finally copied everything over. Took me at least 3 or 4 hours of dicking around and looking up stuff and trying to figure things on. I can't really see anyone wanting to have to deal with Linux in this state. It would have to get to OS X quality of user friendliness to get any traction with gamers, much less mainstream people who have zero time to read linguo which is basically programming.
Using a Raspberry Pi as a desktop computer is like using a rickshaw as a Uber replaceplement. The desktop environment you used (LXDE) is really really minimalistic compared to GNOME, Unity or KDE.
Even though you managed to copy over the files via root, you probably won't have access to them via your regular user because the file rights are not adequate. That's why you couldn't copy them over in the first place.
edit: Drop me a PM if you want/need help. I'm sure the problem is fixed in no time.
CircleOfFire
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Raspbian is by design quite minimal in all these kinds of aspects, however I'm interested to know what it was you were trying to do. One big issue with any kind of shift like this is trying to do things in the way they work elsewhere. See most Linux users being baffled that Windows and Mac OS X don't have really nice software update management.
unapersson
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And there was an older GNOME project that had it even before that. Beagle, which was based on a C# port of Lucene. That was always one fun part of playing around with Linux, being able to play around with new stuff when it's in its infancy. Like being able to run a 64 bit OS on your new 64 bit processor rather than waiting years to do the same.
Xplatformer
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Well, SteamOS is a god send.
Here's a brief session of me playing X-com through my Elementary OS (Linux...Ubuntu).
Getting the OBS software to work was just as easy as it was on Windows 7 (I haven't tried it on Windows 10)
Without Steam OS I doubt I'd have games of the level of Xcom1/Xcom2/Tomb Raider/Rocket League/Shadows of Mordor to stream on Twitch from the comfort of my favorite PC OS.
I just wish there were more titles in development.
No word on DOOM.
No word on...well, any major game release over the next year.
Here's a brief session of me playing X-com through my Elementary OS (Linux...Ubuntu).
Getting the OBS software to work was just as easy as it was on Windows 7 (I haven't tried it on Windows 10)
Without Steam OS I doubt I'd have games of the level of Xcom1/Xcom2/Tomb Raider/Rocket League/Shadows of Mordor to stream on Twitch from the comfort of my favorite PC OS.
I just wish there were more titles in development.
No word on DOOM.
No word on...well, any major game release over the next year.
Boombox On
Member
Didn't see if anyone posted, but Boiling On Steam did a great statistical analysis to come up with The 3 Kinds of Linux Gamers. Interesting read.
Well, SteamOS is a god send.
Here's a brief session of me playing X-com through my Elementary OS (Linux...Ubuntu).
Getting the OBS software to work was just as easy as it was on Windows 7 (I haven't tried it on Windows 10)
Without Steam OS I doubt I'd have games of the level of Xcom1/Xcom2/Tomb Raider/Rocket League/Shadows of Mordor to stream on Twitch from the comfort of my favorite PC OS.
I just wish there were more titles in development.
No word on DOOM.
No word on...well, any major game release over the next year.
Yes, SteamOS was a huge boon. Xcom coming at the same time for Windows and Linux was the kind of future I imagine for all games.
Haha thats a great article.
It really shows that the Linux users are the tech-savy and the idealists.
They should also see the percentage of people dual booting.
Crayon
Member
I'm feeling this comment. I'm sure if you are just hearing about it from a perspective of someone who doesn't use desktop linux, then hearing 25% or 30% of games does not sound like any news. But the difference to someone who uses linux mainly is hard to overstate.
It's come a long way in a short time. It's getting to the point where if it can be at least fun to try linux for gaming even if it still has a long way to go. The more game, os software, and hardware support, the more fun it will be to try linux for something different. Right now more and more people are trying it out and being pleasantly surprised. Hopefully that keeps getting better.
Statistics are weird. I don't know if he did a good gob or not. But towards the end of the article, the observations about the three demographics kind of does sound familiar:
In the light of the UWP debacle, this thread is more than pertinent again.
Also,
http://store.steampowered.com/app/257850/
Hyper Light Drifter had the same day Windows and Linux version on launch day. That's what we need with bigger releases.
Also,
http://store.steampowered.com/app/257850/
Hyper Light Drifter had the same day Windows and Linux version on launch day. That's what we need with bigger releases.
TBiddy
Member
It's not realistic, to be honest. There's just no market. Chicken and egg, and all that stuff. I'd wish there was more competition in the desktop market. Microsoft seem to be reverting to the Microsoft of old, since there's absolutely no competition in the PC gaming market.
The main point about the "Gaming on Linux" is making it a viable alternative, not the "best" or "the future".
TBiddy
Member
Bash isn't Linux, though.
So as part of the engineering work, I needed to wrap the stock Ubuntu root filesystem into a Windows application package (.appx) file for suitable upload to the Windows Store.
TBiddy
Member
Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. But I'd argue that Microsoft integrating/'emulating' a small part of Linux (Linux is the kernel, if we're being pedantic) doesn't make Linux the future.
I'm not really sure of the reason why this has been done, except perhaps that bash > cmd, which Microsoft probably knows.
Yeah but it's still not Linux. The crucial part is the kernel and everything that is built on top of that.
Adding user space programs doesn't change that, this was always possible with cygwin.
Crayon
Member
HLD is great news. Game looks really nice. They were unsure about day one linux till the very last second there.
I don't know if this is exactly on topic or if I'm being extremely selfish or whatnot but I just feel like lamenting how UWP/UWA will probably never work on linux.
I mean, I get why they don't but at least with some steam games I can try some tweaking and get them running with WINE for the games that don't have native linux versions. It's gonna be impossible for exclusive window store games but yeah.
I mean, I get why they don't but at least with some steam games I can try some tweaking and get them running with WINE for the games that don't have native linux versions. It's gonna be impossible for exclusive window store games but yeah.
Yh you're right wrong choose of words there. It's more GNU tools that are coming to Windows. Well it least more integrated into windows than before.
Crayon
Member
The Ubuntu deal is weird. It's like Ms did something smart and admit that many devs want and need linux. Many in Linux circles are crying EEE but this seems like an awfully risky way for Ms to go about that. It looks more like that are attempting to yield somewhat. "Cloud first. Mobile first". Linux won cloud. Linux won mobile.
michaelius
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Which distribution is adviced for media consumption and gaming (preferably one where I don't have to spend 2 hours in google and terminal to watch mkv movie )?
)?Which distribution is adviced for media consumption and gaming (preferably one where I don't have to spend 2 hours in google and terminal to watch mkv movie
Ubuntu